HairOnFire Posted November 18, 2009 Report Share Posted November 18, 2009 And I'm not contradicting myself in the slightest, however vitriolic you want to be about this. In fact, I'm conceding your point - Chad's antics contributed to our drafting heavy on wideouts. C'mon now, it's not like you have any choice but concede that point. That much is undisputed, though it's pretty clear TJ is in that category as well and I don't see how that can be argued. It isn't being argued. In fact, while TJ was once one of the most popular Bengal players on the roster his own actions have now made him an object of ridicule. So why should anyone expect any less in regards to Chad, especially knowing how Chad deliberately tanked a season...while TJ limited his antics to sulking. I don't worship Chad. I realize he's crazy. But I also realize this is just a game, he's a very good WR, and I'm just perplexed by this desire on the part of some folks here to hold an ex-girlfriend's kind of grudge just because he felt the same damn way we all did. I don't understand why so many fans are perplexed by the negative reaction to most things Chadwickian? Isn't deliberatly tanking a season a rare thing for a player to do? And how many players go around waging a year long media attack on their own team? Yet you're suprised some fans refuse to act like everythings forgiven? Someone will undoubtedly pick this apart, probably relying heavily on the final sentence of that first paragraph, but let me just make the main point clear again to avoid any confusion: YES: Chad's antics in part forced us to pick heavy on WR. So Chad's ridiculous and wholly needless antics forced this team to ignore other needs on draft day, and you're good with it. And your bigger problem is with other Bengal fans who continue to hold Chad responsible for the results of his actions? Yeah, I'd say you're perplexed all right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpepper Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I'm not going to go line by line because obviously we just disagree. Anyhoo, it's really not important and I'm just happy we're winning. Nothing wrong with your not wanting forgive him for last year, i get that - we put in our time and money as fans so a guy making millions quits on us and we're pissed - it's more the constant insults and "douche" stuff that really should be reserved for Steelers and Ravens, not our own guys now that he's on track and helping us win. Not to mention, aside from that brief stretch, no one can question his work ethic and dedication to being a great receiver for us.And of course I have no choice to concede that point - that's why I conceded it. Hm? The reason I initially responded is because I felt you were wrong in making a direct connection between Chad and Jerome Simpson, and then ignoring Caldwell, etc. I wasn't particularly pleased with the way Chad went about things either - and in general I look at him as a crazy, insecure character - but things have worked out pretty well, and I'm not suddenly going to ignore the fact that mikey's an idiot and picking jerome was chad's fault only to the extent that we were intent on taking wideouts. And from that we get Caldwell, which still has yet to be acknowledged by anyone disagreeing with me.Ah well, agree to disagree. If he helps take us to the SB, are we all still going to dog him? How bout if he catches a winning to give us our first SB win? I'm on board with Bengals, and all who are here (even mikey for now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 the constant insults and "douche" stuff that really should be reserved for Steelers and Ravens, not our own guysChad is far more a douche and far worthier of our insults than the vast majority of opposing playersaside from that brief stretchThere was nothing brief about itand there is no "aside", in the same sense that aside from all the murders and cannibalism, Jeffrey Daumer was a one heck of a nice guyno one can question his work ethic and dedication to being a great receiver for us.I do. I will. I always will. He never has been, is not, nor will ever be a complete WRIf he helps take us to the SB, are we all still going to dog him? How bout if he catches a winning to give us our first SB win?Does either of those two things change the fact that he turned traitor on the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 the constant insults and "douche" stuff that really should be reserved for Steelers and Ravens, not our own guysChad is far more a douche and far worthier of our insults than the vast majority of opposing playersSpeaking of douchebags, TJ, I see that the team Bengals have signed a fourth-string RB who reportedly enjoys punching women. Knowing your fierce dedication to the cause of preventing violence against women, I assume you're totally outraged and will be boycotting all things Bengals until such time as Larry Johnson is no longer a Bengal. While I hate to lose your insights, I understand completely why you'll have to go "on hiatus" until the Bengals come to their sense and rectify this insult against the fairer sex. Hopefully, we'll see you back in 2010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Hopefully, we'll see you back in 2010.NahThis team has a fair share of douchebags, and I still watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpepper Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 the constant insults and "douche" stuff that really should be reserved for Steelers and Ravens, not our own guysChad is far more a douche and far worthier of our insults than the vast majority of opposing playersaside from that brief stretchThere was nothing brief about itand there is no "aside", in the same sense that aside from all the murders and cannibalism, Jeffrey Daumer was a one heck of a nice guyno one can question his work ethic and dedication to being a great receiver for us.I do. I will. I always will. He never has been, is not, nor will ever be a complete WRIf he helps take us to the SB, are we all still going to dog him? How bout if he catches a winning to give us our first SB win?Does either of those two things change the fact that he turned traitor on the team?There's no aside? Got lazy for a year and griped at the owner...murders and cannibalism...Geeze, I stole candy from a gas station when I was 10. And I've gotten a speeding ticket. I guess my life is a lost cause. But hey, y'all can be bitter if you like. And he's been with us for what, 7-8 years? Tanked one of them (with Ryan Fitzpatrick lobbing ducks), and busted his a** the rest? Seems fairly brief - don't agree with it, but then again it's just not that big a deal. I'll save my animosity for Hines Ward or at least for someone who isn't playing lights out in tiger stripes.As for the assertion that he's not a complete receiver...I can't even begin to wonder, other than blocking which he's arguably improved substantially this year, what you mean. Oh, hey, I heard Payton Manning - and Carson for that matter - are pretty slow, can't scramble much. That's missing from their game. They really need to step it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 There's no aside?Nope - kinda like - aside from that last play, we beat the Broncos.There is no asideGot lazy for a year and griped at the ownerHe's paid handsomely to be a professional.He wasn'tDeal...murders and cannibalism...Geeze, I stole candy from a gas station when I was 10. And I've gotten a speeding ticket. I guess my life is a lost cause. But hey, y'all can be bitter if you like.The example was extreme so you'd understand the parallel. Well, in the hope that it was exteme enough for you to understand.Sadly, not so much And he's been with us for what, 7-8 years? Tanked one of themI sure do hope that the next time you or one of your loved ones needs surgery or a plane trip somewhere -- that the professional you have entrusted your life to isn't tanking it that year.Good luck with that, 'kay?But hey, they only tanked once, right? For years and years, dozens/hundreds/thousands made it off the table or off the plane, so it was OK they tanked it just that once when you or your loved ones were involved, right?(with Ryan Fitzpatrick lobbing ducks)So the fact that he had a less-than stellar QB means it was OK for him to tank the season?I mean, so a surgeon who doesn't get the very best surgical nurse for a given procedure can just go ahead and mail that one in, right?and busted his a** the rest?He's paid to bust his ass every year. Do you understand the meaning of the word "every"?Oh, and yes, that blocking has been just stellar, year in and year out - and chasing down those intercepting QBs, yeah, that was some real hustle there.Seems fairly briefOnly to you. Well, ok, probably to Agreen as well, since by his "logic" Chad's betrayal actually benefitted the teamAs for the assertion that he's not a complete receiver...I can't even begin to wonder, other than blocking which he's arguably improved substantially this year, what you mean.So what you are saying, is that this is his rookie year in terms of blockingWonder how much closer to complete he might be if he had given blocking a try back 7 years ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpepper Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Ahh...I give up. This pretty funny. I'm trying to be fairly diplomatic, and just make a logical argument. Instead, my posts get broken down into sentences or fragments, responded to with the most extreme analogy you can think of (jeffrey dahmer, death on operating table...I fully understand they are analogies - just silly ones considering this is freakin football, not life and death). But to top it all off...the main points I make don't get addressed at all. Anyone gonna mention Caldwell? Would you prefer last year never happened? Because if last year doesn't happen the way it did, well, this year probably doesn't either (pick that inference apart as you will). And I like this year. Anyhow, I'm done. Goodness gracious. I'm gonna go call my mom and make sure she's not dead on an operating table somewhere.Oh, and go Ocho! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I'll address CaldwellThey knew they were losing TJ as wellCaldwell was drafted to replace TJThe endOh, and you may have been TRYING to form a logical argument, but you failed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Nothing wrong with your not wanting forgive him for last year, i get that - we put in our time and money as fans so a guy making millions quits on us and we're pissed - And there it is, people. There's nothing wrong with fans NOT forgiving Chad. Because it's a perfectly reasonable reaction for a person to have in response to the things Chad willingly and knowingly did....for money. In fact, it's a reaction that is probably easier to understand than pretending as if nothing had happened. And there's the rub, because I'm not the one pretending as if Chad didn't attempt to force a trade from this team, didn't wage war against the team during the offseason, and didn't deliberately tank a season, an act most purists feel is unforgivable. So get the story straight, because I'm not a hater. Nor do I suffer from an ex-girlfriends crush. I'm a f**king purist.... ...and I want all of you kids off of my lawn right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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