Wraith Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/22/mort-bengals-wanted-martellus-bennett/So they clearly do not think the answer (at least for this season) is on the roster. I would not look for anything big out of our TEs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 />http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/22/mort-bengals-wanted-martellus-bennett/I would not look for anything big out of our TEs this season.Having seen our first six games, you would be foolish TO look for anything big out of our TE's this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Damn, would have been a good pick up.Looks like Coffman is purely one for the future. This yr will be entirely spent on teaching him everything but catching the ball. Maybe they should have drafted a TE who could block to begin with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 With Coats, Foshci (whatever), and a 3rd round pass catching TE, on the roster, I can't really see anyone being comfortable thinking the answer is on the roster. I love the fact we drafted Coffman, but knew full and well that his blocking was going to take time. It's nothing that wasn't known and with Kelley and Utecht going down, the time quickly became an issue. I don't see the issue with having drafted Coffman, the issue is the injuries suffered ahead of him.Bennett ?? Couldn't have been any worse than seeing the mutt twins dropping passes and fumbling the ball on key drives... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Well, they waited to see what they had with Foschi and Coats I guess. Now they know and the trade deadline passed without them being able to bring someone else in. If we think we're depressed with the situation, I can only imagine the wailing and gnashing of teeth the coaches are doing behind the scenes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 What would interest me if they did make a trade offer is, what was it ?? Pick, picks, or a player ??Honestly, I would just rather them put Coffman in there and learn on the fly. Not that it's the best answer, but everytime I see Coats out there, I want to throw up. When and if he catches a ball, I'm screaming at the TV, "JUST GO TO THE GROUND !!!"... I really dislike him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalsMan3203 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 More to the story here.../>http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4582872 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 So, the question is:Who did they offer, in additon to an r1 or r2 pick, for Bennett?Also, if they were willing to go looking for a TE, why is it so hard to speculate thye were not also looking for DE's and the inside story hasn't come out yet?To me, Bennet would have been only a so-so upgrade. He can catch and run, but does not have a "go" effort mentality, nor the blocking skills to merit an r1 pick.Anthony Collins is the only young player of value, at a deep enough position, who I would consider shipping off in a deal. Maybe they offered Chris Henry?If we were running the stor I would have been hammering Oakland for Zach Miller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 That's odd. If somebody offered me a good pick for a backup who hasn't done all that much, I think I take it. I wonder if this says more about what the Cowboys expect to do with Jason Witten than anything.Oh well. I'll at least give Mikey points for trying on this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 More to the story here.../>http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/nfl/news/story?id=4582872That story makes me think one thing and one thing only. Jerry Jones loves to hear himself talk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I don't see this as a knock on coffman ya he's taking more time then we thought,but we were supposed have Reggie Kelly & utecht ahead of him.Bennett responded to the report Thursday via Twitter. "Ha the bengals tried to trade for me?ochocinco Marty b woulda been a ruckus. I love being a cowboy tho this is home I love this team.So He rather play for crazy ass Jerry as a backup & have romo as a QB VS Being a starter & having carson? the guy must be high PS,Hats off too Brown & Co willing give up high pick to improve this team where much needed it...shame Jerry didn't take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Not trying to be controversial at all, but I really don't see it as taking longer than we thought with Coffman.We drafted him knowing full and well he was going to need help in the blocking aspect of the game, but it didn't present an issue due to the fact we had Kelly and Utecht filling both blocking and pass catching TE. I'm sure they thought it would pay off huge, given Coffman would have a whole season to learn while watching and practicing. Give him the following season's OTA's, camp, and preseason and they probably figured to have a well rounded TE.Unfortunately, Kelly and Utecht go down and we are left with Coats as the most experienced TE on the roster. What I don't get is that with Kelly and Utecht, teams could still have a pretty good guess of what was coming play wise depending on who was lined up, although Kelly was well rounded. That being said, why not Coffman ?? Coats can block and we already know Coffman can catch. I would just like to see him get in there, but am not concerned that they are down on him. I simply don't think that's the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Odd that the braintrust of Agreen and SupaBran have not commented on this thread thus farOr....maybe not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 That's odd. If somebody offered me a good pick for a backup who hasn't done all that much, I think I take it. I wonder if this says more about what the Cowboys expect to do with Jason Witten than anything.Oh well. I'll at least give Mikey points for trying on this one.More so since they were saying it was a really good offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I'm glad to see that the Bengals tried to upgrade the TE position before the trading deadline, but Martellus Bennett would hardly have been the "answer". And I don't credit the suggestion that the Bengals were willing to trade a 1st or 2d for a Dallas backup who has 4 catches on the season. Indeed, the alleged quotes of Jerry Jones make him sound like a drunken 6th grader for whom English is a second language. Frankly, I'm glad they didn't give up anything for Bennett. Coffman is a better player. The Bengals coaches need to quit f**king around and throw him in with the big boys. Enough coy bulls**t already. They seem to be behaving as if Coffman has to be a finished product to play in the NFL. Have they looked around the league? (Note, the only rookie TE to makle much of an impact is the guy in Detroit, and he's only so-so.)Have they looked at their own TEs' play? Anyway, As soon as I heard ML at his presser defend Coats from the charge that he made too many drops, I knew Coats days were numbered. Look what happened to Brad St. Louis. ML couldn't have been more supportive in the AM;in the PM he was gone. I still think the Bengals really need to quit mucking about with the TEs. Jesus, let Coffman play some. If he sucks and is completely hopeless, then take him out and move on. I mean, how much harm could it really do, even if Coffman turns out to be a p***y? Could he be any more harmful than Coats? Any coaching staff that keeps on trotting out Dan Coats as their 1st TE without giving Chase "John Mackey Award" Coffman a single opportunity to play sounds pretty f**ked up to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I'm glad to see that the Bengals tried to upgrade the TE position before the trading deadline, but Martellus Bennett would hardly have been the "answer". And I don't credit the suggestion that the Bengals were willing to trade a 1st or 2d for a Dallas backup who has 4 catches on the season. Indeed, the alleged quotes of Jerry Jones make him sound like a drunken 6th grader for whom English is a second language. Frankly, I'm glad they didn't give up anything for Bennett. Coffman is a better player. The Bengals coaches need to quit f**king around and throw him in with the big boys. Enough coy bulls**t already. They seem to be behaving as if Coffman has to be a finished product to play in the NFL. Have they looked around the league? (Note, the only rookie TE to makle much of an impact is the guy in Detroit, and he's only so-so.)Have they looked at their own TEs' play? Anyway, As soon as I heard ML at his presser defend Coats from the charge that he made too many drops, I knew Coats days were numbered. Look what happened to Brad St. Louis. ML couldn't have been more supportive in the AM;in the PM he was gone. I still think the Bengals really need to quit mucking about with the TEs. Jesus, let Coffman play some. If he sucks and is completely hopeless, then take him out and move on. I mean, how much harm could it really do, even if Coffman turns out to be a p***y? Could he be any more harmful than Coats? Any coaching staff that keeps on trotting out Dan Coats as their 1st TE without giving Chase "John Mackey Award" Coffman a single opportunity to play sounds pretty f**ked up to me.Here is the way to address not having a reliable TE.Load the rigt side with Williams, Roland and Collins, go shotgun and go 4 wide. I am having trouble being convinced that Chad, Caldwell, Coles and Henry can all be covered at once. Run this no-huddle for a 5-6 play stretch and I think we'd see a defense get back on their heels in a hurry.Heck, go 5 wide with Quan or Scott and leave Collins off the field. Quick hitting Scott or Quan should be easy since it would need to be a mis-match with a LB.You can't cover them all.Or, slide Jeremi over to TE. Guy can block. Guy can catch. His name is not Coates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Not trying to be controversial at all, but I really don't see it as taking longer than we thought with Coffman.We drafted him knowing full and well he was going to need help in the blocking aspect of the game, but it didn't present an issue due to the fact we had Kelly and Utecht filling both blocking and pass catching TE. I'm sure they thought it would pay off huge, given Coffman would have a whole season to learn while watching and practicing. Give him the following season's OTA's, camp, and preseason and they probably figured to have a well rounded TE.Unfortunately, Kelly and Utecht go down and we are left with Coats as the most experienced TE on the roster. What I don't get is that with Kelly and Utecht, teams could still have a pretty good guess of what was coming play wise depending on who was lined up, although Kelly was well rounded. That being said, why not Coffman ?? Coats can block and we already know Coffman can catch. I would just like to see him get in there, but am not concerned that they are down on him. I simply don't think that's the issue.Echoes my thoughts 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Wait a minute, I thought I read on this very board that the bengals front office was too cheap and reactive to make a deal, and yet I am to understand they tried to do just that?Huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Funny, but I'd probably be complaining right now if THAT trade would have been completed. Multiple picks...including a 2nd rounder...for Bennett? Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Funny, but I'd probably be complaining right now if THAT trade would have been completed. Multiple picks...including a 2nd rounder...for Bennett? Really?Well he was a second rounder... I'd imagine 2nd round to match where he was drafted then maybe a pic that can get better depending upon his playtime & stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Well he was a second rounder... And so was Jerome Simpson. ... I'd imagine 2nd round to match where he was drafted then maybe a pic that can get better depending upon his playtime & stats. That's alot to give up for a player who has managed to produce just 4 catches and 40 yards receiving this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 And so was Jerome Simpson. If someone offered us a 2nd & a extra pick for him I wouldn't complain... Now if a team is willing who knows I'm sure most teams look at our depth and understand why he can't get on the field... That's alot to give up for a player who has managed to produce just 4 catches and 40 yards receiving this season.Is he a blocking Tight End? he is backing up a very good Written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clackwoods Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Damn, would have been a good pick up.Looks like Coffman is purely one for the future. This yr will be entirely spent on teaching him everything but catching the ball. Maybe they should have drafted a TE who could block to begin with?Well, if he could block then he wouldn't be on our roster because he would have went in the first round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Damn, would have been a good pick up.Looks like Coffman is purely one for the future. This yr will be entirely spent on teaching him everything but catching the ball. Maybe they should have drafted a TE who could block to begin with?Well, if he could block then he wouldn't be on our roster because he would have went in the first round.Well I think if it wasn't for his injury he could went much higher with numbers he had compared to tight ends of past years (he did in one year that most tight ends do in their college career.)Look at Vernon he couldn't block a goat & had pretty standard receiving tight ends but fast 40 and he goes 6th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SupaBran Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Odd that the braintrust of Agreen and SupaBran have not commented on this thread thus farOr....maybe notSorry I was having trouble with me internet! Don't worry TJ!I can't get mad for them trying to do something to improve the team, but I'm glad the Cowgirls turned us down. Bennett isn't worth either a 1st or a 2nd. I think this does say something about how the coaches feel about Coffman, b/c giving up a 1st or a 2nd round pick would mean we were making a commitment to Bennett.My problem is, if you're willing to give up a high pick, why not go after something more substantial than a backup TE that hasn't proved anything? I would've rather seen a Julius Peppers or a Kampman! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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