kingwilly Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 Interesting notes in Hobsons latest wrtie-up: http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Run-revival/534d9dda-cd3e-41d7-ac85-6c9c1ec82e13I have felt that since the end of last year, Roland has shown himslef to be a very god run blocker and solid in the pass blocking schemes. For his size, 6'9" and 325-330?, he can get out in space and make downfield blocks as well as anyone. If Collins keeps struggling, like he did against Dumerville and Kampmann, I think Roland will get more and more time. If necessary, Collins can go to LG in place of Livings, and Roland can man RT until Andre can beat him for the spot.Roland has done nothing but impress me with his versatility (RT/LT/TE) and effectiveness. Hard to keep a guy who is playing at a high level off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 They clearly think Roland is the superior run blocker. They had him at RT for the Bengals final drive because it was pound the rock time. I think Collins will be OK but he's kind of miscast as a RT. He's really more of a LT. It'll be interesting to hear if Smith is practicing tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 They clearly think Roland is the superior run blocker. They had him at RT for the Bengals final drive because it was pound the rock time. I think Collins will be OK but he's kind of miscast as a RT. He's really more of a LT. It'll be interesting to hear if Smith is practicing tomorrow.Well be interesting because Whits passblock has looked better then Collins...so if he can't run block like RT and isn't the best passblocker sounds like backup to me....Dumerville and Kampmann, I think Roland will get more and more time. If necessary, Collins can go to LG in place of Livings, and Roland can man RT until Andre can beat him for the spot.Elvis went against Whitworth and was held Sackless.... it was the other end he was having problems with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I have been saying this for awhile now, i want Roland somewhere on that o-line they could use him. Everytime he is in he is making holes for Benson to run through. I understand that they want Collins to be good, but right now Roland is better and i think against the Steelers Roland would be a better, but i guess if the rotate or do the jumbo TE thing then whatever. I just really never heard of rotating tackles lol lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I don't think there's any way Collins moves to guard. That's kind of silly. I think the sooner Andre Smith is able to take over as the starter, the better. Think what that does to our depth. Now, you have Collins able to backup LT, Roland backs up RT, then you have Mathis and Kooistra at G, and Luigs at C. The Andre Smith situation could actually benefit the bengals if they handle it right. Think about it...we're in a physical division. By the end of the year, the big lineman (offense and defense) are beaten up pretty good. You bring in big Andre Smith who has no wear and tear on him, totally fresh. He can pound on some worn down D-lineman and help us with a dominant game going into the playoffs. Plus, he doesn't have to worry about the "rookie wall" that a lot of players go through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I don't think there's any way Collins moves to guard. That's kind of silly. I think the sooner Andre Smith is able to take over as the starter, the better. Think what that does to our depth. Now, you have Collins able to backup LT, Roland backs up RT, then you have Mathis and Kooistra at G, and Luigs at C. The Andre Smith situation could actually benefit the bengals if they handle it right. Think about it...we're in a physical division. By the end of the year, the big lineman (offense and defense) are beaten up pretty good. You bring in big Andre Smith who has no wear and tear on him, totally fresh. He can pound on some worn down D-lineman and help us with a dominant game going into the playoffs. Plus, he doesn't have to worry about the "rookie wall" that a lot of players go through.I have a moment of rare agreement with Pong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I don't think there's any way Collins moves to guard. That's kind of silly. I think the sooner Andre Smith is able to take over as the starter, the better. Think what that does to our depth. Now, you have Collins able to backup LT, Roland backs up RT, then you have Mathis and Kooistra at G, and Luigs at C. The Andre Smith situation could actually benefit the bengals if they handle it right. Think about it...we're in a physical division. By the end of the year, the big lineman (offense and defense) are beaten up pretty good. You bring in big Andre Smith who has no wear and tear on him, totally fresh. He can pound on some worn down D-lineman and help us with a dominant game going into the playoffs. Plus, he doesn't have to worry about the "rookie wall" that a lot of players go through.I have a moment of rare agreement with Pong.Holy sh*t, did that hurt Joe ?? That sounded rather optimistic of you !!! Playoffs ??Just giving you some mess and yeah, I agree except for the playoff comment, but there's always a chance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I've always been optimistic about this team. The only real question mark on this team to me is the QB position. Palmer hasn't played real well or very consistently in a LONG time. And even though he supposedly has a great arm, he sure doesn't seem to use it. He has an awful lot of weak ass throws to the sideline that look like they were made by a 12 year old girl. He continually underthrows receivers on the deep ball...on the rare occasion he actually throws it deep. And many of his throws seem to hang in the air a long time. I watch other QBs with supposedly weaker arms who make a lot stronger throws with more zip. Even on the flea flicker to chad, did you notice how weak that throw was? Although I guess he threw off his back foot, so I will give him a pass on that one. Just something I have noticed though. He's not throwing the ball like he was in 2004. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Bengals 24th in the league when running to right side....So with Roland Helping that out just shows how bad when he's not in o_O... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Pong, I don't know that he ever will again. The ACL injury was career-changing. Tack on the elbow, and he is not the same qb he was. But what he is, is still plenty good enough to win games in the NFL.By the way, Tom Brady has not "looked the same" in his first few games back from his ACL either. You suffer that kind of injury as a qb, it cannot help but change who you were as a quarterback. Question becomes, can you still be effective?In 2006, Carson was plenty effective. That team should have made the playoffs. 2007 was a disaster (more so for me than 2008). Line play issues, maturity issues, the imploding of what should have been. 2007 was where I was most disappointed in Palmer from a leadership standpoint, but probably nothing could have saved that implosion from happening. 2008 was a lost year due to line and injuries.So here we are in 2009, and Carson is back to being kind of an "unknown" to me. But I like how he led them to the last drive against Denver. And I like how he responded to two f**kawful mistakes against GB. I think there is still plenty of spark there for him to be an above average qb. But be what he once was pre-injury? I think those days are gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I was looking through the scores from the 2007 season and don't forget that the LB's were depleted and Watson was the featured back. Palmer could only throw to TJ and CJ. Henry was useless because he was coming off of suspensions. Palmer was a Pro-Bowler in 06. The guy needs a supporting cast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 How has this turned into yet ANOTHER Palmer thread? *sigh*Anyway, it looked as if he still has plenty of zip judging by his laser to Henry in the endzone. I like how they're using Roland. They're easing him in, and if he shows he can handle the responsibilities they give him, then I'm sure they'll continue to expand his role. This way they'll realize his limit gradually without being burned from giving him more than he can handle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Sorry. It didn't seem like they were running that well to the right. We'll see Sunday. This is usually where the Bengals can't run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Palmer's accuracy has been bad ever since the o-line crumbled. He can't step into throws very often, and this system is dependent on timing with little margin for error or improv. He and Cedric make that line look good most of the time. The sideline throws are often timing passes where he has to get rid of it earlier than he'd like due to pressure - so he can't "zip" the ball when he needs to adjust his timing like that. The WR has to come back to the ball or it's thrown where the DB is shielded by the WR (behind him). Palmer has trouble throwing well-timed slants and deep balls too because of this. Watch him in practice/training camp, and he looks fine.The WR's did a great job of blocking last week also. I think the o-line is going to show it's rear end against better teams still, and it will get frustrating at times, watching Benson look like Rudi in 2007 in some games. They are well on their way to wearing out Benson early and he'll end up half crippled like Dillon and Rudi, and ineffective after a couple of years, if they keep giving him the ball 30+ times a game. Who does that anymore these days? Just stupid. Get Leonard and Scott involved more often, make defenses game plan for them too.I think it's obvious that Andre will have a ripple effect on that group, and they will need him by mid-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 What I want to know is can Roland catch? I would love to see him in on goal line situations and break off his block to catch a wide open TD. Seems like he is athletic enough to be a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 They are well on their way to wearing out Benson early and he'll end up half crippled like Dillon and Rudi, and ineffective after a couple of years, if they keep giving him the ball 30+ times a game. Who does that anymore these days? Just stupid. Absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonahdsage Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 I know this isn't a carson thread so i'll keep it brief -- it is staggering to me that, after a win at green bay, so many people seem to think that carson is the problem. No zip on his passes? Watch that chris henry play, or the big third down conversion to caldwell, or the third down conversion on the first drive to chad. Chad's jumping in the air and i swear the ball that hit him in the gut knocked him back two yards. On the flea flicker a safety was SCREAMING in untouched, carson jumps with both feet in the air square to the line of scrimmage and throws a ball 44 yards to a wide open chad . . . If he had been able to step into the throw I don't doubt it would have gone for 6. You people saying carson is the problem are delusional.As far as roland goes . . . i'm down. I really like how the bengals are being confusing on both sides of the line of scrimmage and are keeping teams guessing. For all the worry about o-line depth at the beginning of the season it sounds pretty good to me to say that our starters going into the bye are whit, livings, cook, williams and andre. If anyone of those guys go down we have a more than capable backup who shouldn't have a problem gelling with the line. I've been impressed with the play of mathis and, though I think collins can improve, i don't think his play has been atrocious by any means.I disagree with some flack whit's been taking, too. He's shutting guys down and it's unrealistic to think we will never get a holding penalty (unless you're on GB's line, allow six sacks, and have the NFL trying real hard to let you win). We have a great foundation for our line right now which will get dramatically better this season and could be back as a potential top line in the league next year. Here's to a steeler beat down in the trenches people Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 They are well on their way to wearing out Benson early and he'll end up half crippled like Dillon and Rudi, and ineffective after a couple of years, if they keep giving him the ball 30+ times a game. Who does that anymore these days? Just stupid. Absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in months.Consider the source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 They are well on their way to wearing out Benson early and he'll end up half crippled like Dillon and Rudi, and ineffective after a couple of yearsWell he only has a 2 year contract so if he's effective those 2 years score! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Who cares? 3 OTs on the field has got to help the running game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blueridge Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 They are well on their way to wearing out Benson early and he'll end up half crippled like Dillon and Rudi, and ineffective after a couple of years, if they keep giving him the ball 30+ times a game. Who does that anymore these days? Just stupid. Absolutely the dumbest thing I've read in months.Consider the source.Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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