kurgan74 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Another Pass Rushing Defensive End McKinner Dixon (9 Sacks last season for Texas Tech) has added his name to this week'sSupplemental Draft. With Kentucky's Jarmon already in the draft pool, will the Bengals take a chanceon grabbing another pass rusher? With Robert Geathers coming off Micro fracture surgery, I could seeit as a distint possibility. What are your thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm all up for grabbing another passrusher,was the worst thing about our defense last year so grabbing 2 young passrushers to help out doesn't seem like bad idea (one being Michael Johnson)....Even if Geathers is healthy at one point we could carry 5 DE's with Johnson being DE/LB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'd love to get Jarmon with a mid-round selection. The guy is a high character, high motor playmaker with plenty of experience against top competition. He's exaclty the kind of guy we need in the trenches. Don't let the failed drug test fool you. It was an over-the-counter diuretic that he quit taking as soon as he found out it was banned, but he got popped with a test not long after. To give you an idea of the kind of guy Jarmon is, he traveled to France over the summer to finish his second Bachelor's degree.I don't know much about Dixon, so I can't say much on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm not in the line of thought that would really want to see the Bengals use draft picks for next season on these guys.Nothing really jumps off the page at me, but I can't say as I'm really up to speed on any of them.Just going with the opinion that we have some people that can fill the role this year and some coming back from injury without having to give up picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 How many players are likely to be taken? From what I gather few players are picked. Would they then be eligible to sign as free agents if not picked or would they have to enter the regular draft next year? Scuze the n00b questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPW Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm all up for grabbing another passrusher,was the worst thing about our defense last year so grabbing 2 young passrushers to help out doesn't seem like bad idea (one being Michael Johnson)....Even if Geathers is healthy at one point we could carry 5 DE's with Johnson being DE/LB...I have been thinking that maybe Clinton McDonald will end up being a better fit at defensive end than at defensive tackle as a pro?He has a quick first step, a forty time of 4.83, 4.46 in the short shuttle, a vertical leaped of 38 inches, a motor that never stops and is a former linebacker.He led his team in sacks (7) and was second in tackles for loss (7.5) while playing in just 10 games as a tackle last year.Maybe he can be a DT/DE type of guy that coach Lewis always seems to want on the team due the game day roster restrictions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Don't they lose a 3rd in next year's draft if they take someone?Might be worth it for Dixon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm all up for grabbing another passrusher,was the worst thing about our defense last year so grabbing 2 young passrushers to help out doesn't seem like bad idea (one being Michael Johnson)....Even if Geathers is healthy at one point we could carry 5 DE's with Johnson being DE/LB...I have been thinking that maybe Clinton McDonald will end up being a better fit at defensive end than at defensive tackle as a pro?He has a quick first step, a forty time of 4.83, 4.46 in the short shuttle, a vertical leaped of 38 inches, a motor that never stops and is a former linebacker.He led his team in sacks (7) and was second in tackles for loss (7.5) while playing in just 10 games as a tackle last year.Maybe he can be a DT/DE type of guy that coach Lewis always seems to want on the team due the game day roster restrictions? He appears to be a bit of a tweener. Not sure if his frame supports a lot more weight either... so you might be right. Still, my guess is that if he makes anything out of himself it will be as a DT on passing downs. I for one was pleasantly surprised with Rucker last year. He's not the answer to the pass rush woes, but he's also a solid enough player that unless the Bengals are convinced that they can get a true difference maker in the pass rush, I doubt they try to make a move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 They only give up the pick for whatever round they should so desire to take him in in the Supp. Draft. We took Brooks in the 3rd round of the Supp. Draft and hence gave up our 3rd round pick the following draft. I'm just not a fan of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 I'm all up for grabbing another passrusher,was the worst thing about our defense last year so grabbing 2 young passrushers to help out doesn't seem like bad idea (one being Michael Johnson)....Even if Geathers is healthy at one point we could carry 5 DE's with Johnson being DE/LB...I have been thinking that maybe Clinton McDonald will end up being a better fit at defensive end than at defensive tackle as a pro?He has a quick first step, a forty time of 4.83, 4.46 in the short shuttle, a vertical leaped of 38 inches, a motor that never stops and is a former linebacker.He led his team in sacks (7) and was second in tackles for loss (7.5) while playing in just 10 games as a tackle last year.Maybe he can be a DT/DE type of guy that coach Lewis always seems to want on the team due the game day roster restrictions? He appears to be a bit of a tweener. Not sure if his frame supports a lot more weight either... so you might be right. Still, my guess is that if he makes anything out of himself it will be as a DT on passing downs. I for one was pleasantly surprised with Rucker last year. He's not the answer to the pass rush woes, but he's also a solid enough player that unless the Bengals are convinced that they can get a true difference maker in the pass rush, I doubt they try to make a move.Good point on Rucker and I agree. He made some improvement last season and IMO they see him as a keeper (as do I). If so, there may not be too many spots left to bring in another guy on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 Not enough spots is a VERY good point, as I don't think you could view any of the guys in the Supp. Draft as better than what we currently have on the roster and they are already not looking forward to getting rid of someone. Between Fanene and Rucker one may not make the team this year and I can't say as I would want anyone in the Supp. Draft over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 How many players are likely to be taken? From what I gather few players are picked. Jarmon is the only player everyone agrees will be drafted, probably between the 3rd and 5th rounds....although it's possible he could go even later. Two other prospects are said to be worthy of very late round picks, an OL from Central Michigan and a WR who could earn a roster spot as a return specialist. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Thanks for the response Hair. As for the rest of you....*raises middle finger* Is it even remotely possible we go after someone in the SD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm not down with going the supplemental round this year. Maybe it was the burned by Brooks thing, but I want the picks for the regular draft. Maybe if it were a 5th. Maybe then. But a third or a fourth is too high, given the danger that the team will be picking high again next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 I'm not down with going the supplemental round this year. Maybe it was the burned by Brooks thing, but I want the picks for the regular draft. Maybe if it were a 5th. Maybe then. But a third or a fourth is too high, given the danger that the team will be picking high again next year...Not trying to wallow in the mire or anything, but I was curious about Brooks. (He was a 9'er all last season, which is the local team, but I hate those mother*u*kers so much I try to ignore all news about them.) So I went & looked up his stats. He posted a lofty total of 0 tackles last season giving rise to the question of whether he even saw the field. Yeah, I'm a little gunshy about the supplemental draft too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 13, 2009 Report Share Posted July 13, 2009 Brooks had alot of upside but he was a character risk,Jarmon Doesn't seem so he simply made Mistake like the Williams did for the vikings and I know I'd take them on this team in a second....If Zimmer feels he can develop in to something give him a shot if he doesn't think he'll be any better then Rucker or fanene then pass him...But with how bad our passrush has been and fact that more then likely I see us taking another D.End next year if we could start developing one a year advance doesn't seem like such a bad idea....Plus he has style Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 An absolutely great explanation of the process and the players involved./>http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SuppDraft/Supplemental-Draft.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ickey44 Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I'm not down with going the supplemental round this year. Maybe it was the burned by Brooks thing, but I want the picks for the regular draft. Maybe if it were a 5th. Maybe then. But a third or a fourth is too high, given the danger that the team will be picking high again next year...Not trying to wallow in the mire or anything, but I was curious about Brooks. (He was a 9'er all last season, which is the local team, but I hate those mother*u*kers so much I try to ignore all news about them.) So I went & looked up his stats. He posted a lofty total of 0 tackles last season giving rise to the question of whether he even saw the field. Yeah, I'm a little gunshy about the supplemental draft too.Brooks is very talented, but undisciplined. I think he declared for the SD because he got kicked out of his school. If the Bengals could have coached him up and got him to play to his potential, he could've been great. Sadly, it seems that he didn't really give a crap about playing football to the best of his ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Seriously, after getting teased/disappointed/burned by Ahmad Brooks, why look to the supplemental draft, and forfeit a draft pick next year. I can only recall 1 player being selected in the Supplemental Draft, that went on to become a pretty good player, and that was Jamal Williams of the Chargers, but they drafted him way back in '98. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 An absolutely great explanation of the process and the players involved./>http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/SuppDraft/Supplemental-Draft.phpCheers Army. All a bit relaxed then. Just apply by email. I guess it stops teams from playing silly buggers and convincing a player to withhold from entering the draft proper and picking him up as a FA as opposed to an actual talent dump for the most part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Seriously, after getting teased/disappointed/burned by Ahmad Brooks, why look to the supplemental draft, and forfeit a draft pick next year. I can only recall 1 player being selected in the Supplemental Draft, that went on to become a pretty good player, and that was Jamal Williams of the Chargers, but they drafted him way back in '98.So we get burned one time and shouldn't think about still improving our team? even if any of players could improve us? Guess we shouldn't have taken Carson because Akili was a 1st round QB bust... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 My line of thought is, unless you are just dying to improve a particular position that could be improved through the supplemental draft with a particular player, stay away. There would have to be a really good reason, but all you have to do is look at some of these guys and the majority of them have issues. Robbery, positive testing, stupid, or whatever. As much as some may think the kid out of Kentucky may be good, I can't say as I would prefer him over anything we currently have on the roster. If that's the case, why give up picks for the following draft ?? Things may look very different come April of next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 I can only recall 1 player being selected in the Supplemental Draft, that went on to become a pretty good player, and that was Jamal Williams of the Chargers, but they drafted him way back in '98.Only guy I can recall is Bernie Kosar. He graduated from Miami in 2 1/2 years, then sort of played the system to get himself selected by his hometown team, the Browns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Chris Carter was selected in the supplemental draft out of OSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 Chris Carter was selected in the supplemental draft out of OSU.YEP... By the Eagles before he signed with the Vikings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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