Trade Down Possibilties

[ArmyBengal]

It has been mentioned in many other threads, so I figured I would dedicate one to the specific topic of trading down.

The reason I bring it up is the Bengals are going to be bringing in Jeremy Maclin for a 2 day visit. While I'm not interested in the thought of taking a WR at #6, Maclin would be the guy I want. More importantly and what I would like to see happen is the Bengals play this out in the hopes of getting someone to jump the Raiders or both the Jags and Raiders to get one of the WR's said team covets.

If they do actually intend on taking Maclin, what do you think that does to the WR corps we currently have in place ??

Chad, Coles, Henry, Simpson, Caldwell, Chatman, Purify, Urrutia and then add Maclin. I think it would send the message immediately that the organization thinks last years draft was a failure in regards to the WR's taken, but I'm not of that mindset just yet.

The ONLY reason I wouldn't complain about taking Maclin is his return capabilities, but that isn't enough for me to be happy about with the #6 pick.

Here's the article and link: http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...9spbigcweb.html

Bengals to host Mizzou star wideout Maclin

By Carlos "Big C" Holmes

Staff Writer

Sunday, March 29, 2009

The Cincinnati Bengals are set to entertain probably one of the most electrifying prospects entering this year's NFL draft in Missouri wide receiver Jeremy Maclin. He is scheduled to visit the Bengals April 2-3, and there is a very good chance that the player could make a return visit to Cincinnati on draft day.

The Bengals own the sixth overall selection in the 2009 draft and could use the pick to select Maclin, who is worthy of Top 10 consideration.

The highly touted receiver would be the ideal replacement for departed T.J. Houshmandzadeh, who will be catching passes in Seattle this season.

Familiar role

If selected by the Bengals, Maclin would assume the duties once held by Houshmandzadeh. That would be running all the underneath routes from the slot position. However, the difference between the two receivers is that Maclin is a threat to take it the distance whenever the ball is in his hands.

Maclin played primarily in the slot while in college, but also stretched the field playing outside receiver in the Tiger's offense. He finished the 2008 season with 102 catches for 1,260 yards and 13 touchdowns. Maclin accounted for 2,833 All-Purpose yards in '08.

The one knock on Maclin is that he played out receiver sparingly. NFL teams wanted to know if he could be as effective on the outside as he was on the inside.

Teams got their answer

I had the privilege to watch Maclin, along with NFL coaches and scouts, go through receiving drills at the combine. He far exceeded everyone's expectations. Maclin is a precise route runner with sure-hands, speed, quickness and elusiveness. He's a playmaker both on offense and in the return game.

The other thing teams learned that day is Maclin is not a return-man playing receiver, but just the opposite. I had one scout tell me that Maclin has all the physical tools and abilities to become one of the elite receivers in the league.

Maclin had a superb showing in Indianapolis and his performance at the school's pro day was said to be even better.

The receiver answered all the questions on whether or not he can play outside, but in his mind there was never any doubt about his ability to do other things.

"I feel like if you're a receiver you should be able to play the position no matter what," Maclin said during a phone interview on Friday Mar. 27. "I don't think I'll have a problem adjusting to it in the pros and welcome the challenge."

To play the slot position you have to be tough. When you watch film on Maclin you'll see him consistently banging with the linebackers like Steelers receiver Hines Ward. Blocking is one thing that he prides himself on.

"I think I am one of the best blocking receivers in the draft if not the best," Maclin said. "I feel like that's what I bring to the table. I'm a physical guy who wants to go out there and compete on every play. The position I played in college forced me to go out there and mix it up with the outside linebackers."

The Bengals are believed to be looking for playmakers and Maclin ranks at the top of that list. Not only would he give quarterback Carson Palmer another weapon, but would also provide the team with a game-breaker on special teams, something they lack.

The club's interest in the talented receiver comes as no surprise and he appears to be a perfect fit. The only remaining question is will the Bengals make it happen at No. 6?

[redsbengalsbucks]

If they take a WR at #6, I hope it is this guy and no-one else.

[membengal]

If they take a WR at six, I hope Mike Brown does the honorable thing and disembowels himself.

[ArmyBengal]

I made the comment a long time ago that the WR position would provide our best chances of trading down. I just hope this is the Bengals playing the game out to it's fullest trying to get a trade down and not the true intention of the team at the #6 position.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Looks like Florio is playing up the trade down angle too:

PFT Story

I'm really worried the Bengals' are locked into Andre Smith, and know they can get him or another OT anywhere in the top 10-15. Smith scares me because he only seems to care about landing a big pay day and coasting - not the kind of guy the Bengals' handle well, nor can they afford to protect their franchise QB.

This is one of the more interesting drafts in many years, only because the top 4-5 aren't locks by any means, and everyone's guessing, unless that changes leading up to draft day.

[Wraith]

Florio is such a drama queen.

Lions will go Monroe, J. Smith, or Stafford. (I am betting J. Smith)

Rams will take the other LT or J. Smith if the Lions take Stafford

Chiefs will take their top defender I don't believe the Everett Brown smoke screen, I am betting it will be Curry.

Seahawks will take a LT if one is available if not they will be tempted to take Stafford (since Stafford will have to have been passed on by the Lions if no LT is available)

The Browns will take Curry, Orakpo, or Brown (betting Orakpo)

This is actually a pretty easy draft to predict, if you can accurately predict the Lions pick everything else falls into play, this is nothing like last year where everything was up in the air.

[whizzo]

i agree. as soon as the detroit pick is clear, the rest pretty much falls into place.

[Clackwoods]

Florio is such a drama queen.

Lions will go Monroe, J. Smith, or Stafford. (I am betting J. Smith)

Rams will take the other LT or J. Smith if the Lions take Stafford

Chiefs will take their top defender I don't believe the Everett Brown smoke screen, I am betting it will be Curry.

Seahawks will take a LT if one is available if not they will be tempted to take Stafford (since Stafford will have to have been passed on by the Lions if no LT is available)

The Browns will take Curry, Orakpo, or Brown (betting Orakpo)

This is actually a pretty easy draft to predict, if you can accurately predict the Lions pick everything else falls into play, this is nothing like last year where everything was up in the air.

If you list three options for each top 5 team then it is easy to predict, but your draft is pretty unrealistic.

You can't know if the Lions will take a LT or QB

The rams are locked in at Tackle

The Chiefs could go Tackle, Defense, QB

The Seahawks could take DT, WR, QB, LT

The Browns could go LB, DE, WR, CB (Doubtful), or even QB (They have a new coach)

This draft is crazy, all I know is we will get at least a shot at one of the following Monroe, Smith, Curry, Orakpo, Raji, Crabtree. I don't care which one of those we get, I will be happy

[whizzo]

The Chiefs could go Tackle, Defense, QB

oh yeah, they definitely more depth at QB, especially since they traded for a starter this offseason... ergo, they'll go Defense.

The Seahawks could take DT, WR, QB, LT

oh yeah, they definitely need to adress those positions, especially since they either have a starter and/or traded for starters during FA.

The Browns could go LB, DE, WR, CB (Doubtful), or even QB (They have a new coach)

the turds must go Defense (unless they pull a wild one and get crabtree, but that's unlikely). i won't even comment on the ridiculousness of them drafting a QB at #5, seeing how they're about the only NFL team with two QBs with pro bowl potential.

[Clackwoods]

The Chiefs could go Tackle, Defense, QB

oh yeah, they definitely more depth at QB, especially since they traded for a starter this offseason... ergo, they'll go Defense.

The Seahawks could take DT, WR, QB, LT

oh yeah, they definitely need to adress those positions, especially since they either have a starter and/or traded for starters during FA.

The Browns could go LB, DE, WR, CB (Doubtful), or even QB (They have a new coach)

the turds must go Defense (unless they pull a wild one and get crabtree, but that's unlikely). i won't even comment on the ridiculousness of them drafting a QB at #5, seeing how they're about the only NFL team with two QBs with pro bowl potential.

OK Let me get more specific-

Third Pick (Chiefs)-

Tackle- They could use another tackle, but you didn't dispute that

Defense- Again, it is widely assumed that Curry is coming to KC

QB- Trust me, it is not very likely, but their coach has yet to name a starter and their is a chance they could trade this pick to a team needing a QB (San Fran anyone)

Fourth Pick (Seattle)-

WR- Last I check TJ was a number 2 reciever who is over 30 and Seattle is a pass heavy offense, they need another WR if nothing else to take over for TJ in three years when they cut him

DT- Shaun Cody is the answer? lmfao haha Last I checked they run a 4-3 scheme which requires two DT's in starting roles. DT makes a lot of sense and if it doesn't make sense for them then we should just stop talking about it because we have better DT's and much more depth than they do.

QB- Matt Hassleback has become chronically injured with his back and is almost 35, about time for them to get a new Franchise QB

LT- Walter Jones is awesome, but he is getting up their in age. They could draft a Tackle to eventually replace him, in the mean time they can play RT.

Cleveland-

I agree defense is the most likely choice but,

WR is somewhat likely especially considering they are shopping Braylon Edwards.

QB is a possibility because Anderson is garbage and a backup and if I remember right the Jets could have taken Brady Quinn at 14 in 2007 but they passed and rolled with a resurrected Chad Pennington. Their is a chance they take a Franchise QB and trade Quinn. They will then use Anderson to start until the new QB is ready to start. This is possible and if you don't think so you are being Naive and not considering all possibilities.

If I were doing a mock I would have the draft go as follows:

Lions- Jason Smith

Rams- Egeune Monroe

Chiefs- Aaron Curry

Seahawks- Matthew Stafford

Browns- Brian Orakpo

Bengals- Raji, Crabtree, or Trade down (Most plausible)

[ArmyBengal]

Ok, ok, so other teams needs aside, does Chad no showing change anyone's opinion of taking a WR at #6 ??

Do you even think WR should be a consideration regardless of Chad's dumbass ??

[TJJackson]

No and no - I think we have in effect replaced Chad and TJ as of last year - perhaps not with equal players, but replaced and moved on nonetheless

Said another way, if Chad miraculously turns it around and returns to being the Chad of old, that is just a bonus

[Clackwoods]

No and no - I think we have in effect replaced Chad and TJ as of last year - perhaps not with equal players, but replaced and moved on nonetheless

Said another way, if Chad miraculously turns it around and returns to being the Chad of old, that is just a bonus

Miraculously? Here are some facts that dictated his crappy year:

A- He played in only 13 games, 10 of which he started

B- He played with a backup QB for in 9 of those games

C- The games that he did play with Carson, Carson played horribly in two of his four games

D- Chad didn't have a preseason to get his game going and in sync with Carson

E- Chad played hurt most of last season

When you are deep threat at WR and you don't like to go underneath and you have a QB that can't put the ball more than ten yards down the field your numbers are going to suffer. The reason TJ wasn't affected as much is because he is a dink and dunk receiver and Fitz horrible play didn't affect him. Chad will come back and have a great year this year, it is just a question of whether or not it is with us.

I would like to take Crabtree at six and trade Chad and pick up Magulaga with the pick we get from him. Then get our Center in round 2.

[ArmyBengal]

If at all possible lets avoid the arguments of what we could or couldn't get for Chad in trade (as it's been overdone) and try to focus on what the Bengals are doing bringing in Maclin. Is it an actual thought process to take him at #6 or are the Bengals trying to hype him to try to manufacture a trade down ??

[Wraith]

Kansas City drafted Albert (LT) and Dorsey (DT) last season. Traded for Cassell in the off season and their defense had ten sacks last year as a whole...they will be drafting Defense, they are need pass rush help not interior line help ergo, Curry or Orakpo or Brown.

Seattle Just signed TJ and just traded for Corey Redding at DT so it most likely that they will take a LT to replace Walter Jones or Stafford to replace an aging Hasselbeck, since both LT's are likely to be gone Stafford is the likely choice, if you disagree thats ok they very well could go with Crabtree but I think it is likely they take whoever Detroit passes on (either Monroe or Stafford) since they will be the BPA and be at a position that fills a significant need.

Cleveland will go defense because the defensive players will be the highest ranked players available at need, Cleveland's pass rush was anemic last year 17 sacks. Cleveland also needs CB help but selecting a CB at #5 is unlikely considering the grades at that position. So they are likely to take the highest ranked 3-4 OLB which is likely to be Orakpo.

So to follow:

Stafford goes to either Seattle or Detroit

Jason Smith goes to either Detroit or St. Louis

Curry goes to K.C.

Monroe goes to either St. Louis or Seattle

Orakpo goes to Cleveland

And that is the top five, it's not complicated.

[whizzo]

KC drafts curry. detroit, st. louis and seattle split up stafford, monroe and j. smith amongst themselves. cleveland needs D help and will draft orakpo, or, more unlikely, jenkins. this leaves a. smith or the "second tier" of pass rushers (maybin, brown, etc) or bj raji for us.

[ArmyBengal]

Jesus Christ people, there are other threads for who teams before us wil be taking...

[Wraith]

Which is exactly why I have been pimping Maualuga because IF we are dealing with a second tier prospect and the area of greatest need (LT) has only one guy draftable at that spot and the organization deems him too great a character risk. Then you fall back on the other areas of need and I think when the dust settles Maualuga will be the guy that they take over the other prospects like Wells, Moreno, Maclin, and Raji based upon his fit with the team and the type of defense we are trying to build. WR is clearly not an immediate need with or without Chad, drafting a RB top ten is just silly considering the success of later round prospects, and MLB is a far greater need than DT considering that we have a soon to be 32 year old Dhani Jones as our only MLB, while we have built a pretty decent rotation of Peko, Sims, Shirley, Fanene, and Harris at DT. Oh and just to add something on top of that we have the ability to pair two LBs from the most dominent LBing corp in College Football History (IMHO) who like each other and who make each other better.

Look I could be COMPLETELY WRONG about this draft but I look at this thing the same why I would look at a disaster recovery plan for IT and analyzing weakness of various teams and mapping those weaknesses with the strengths of the incoming draft class, this is what I get. Seattle and Detroit are the X-Factors but I think it is highly unlikely that Detroit drafts anyone but a LT and a QB which spins the draft down to Seattle. Seattle has a variety of choices but in the end there is only one top ten grade LT OR one top ten grade QB on the board, they cannot hope to get a player of comparable value at any other draft position, WRs in the top of the first round have proven a very dicey prospect (see David Terrell, Troy Williamson, Matt Jones, Peter Warrick etc.) and last year all the WRs pushed out of the first round for that exact reason. Stafford carries the highest grade in this draft and for a team that's offense is so QB dependent it is VERY likely that they take Stafford and groom him behind Hasselbeck (who is going on 11 years in the league) for a year or two like Cincy did with Palmer if Stafford is gone they have a similar issue at LT with Walter Jones whose skills have been deteriorating for a couple of years.

[TJJackson]

Well, another line of thought here is that if you do trade down, you need to know who the players who might be available at that lower spot you end up at

If we were to trade down to say 15 or so, Maclin would not be nearly as objectionable as he would at 6

[TJJackson]

Jesus Christ people, there are other threads for who teams before us wil be taking...

Aren't you (recalling the past few years of history of this board) supposed to be invoking Black Jesus instead of Jesus Christ?

[Wraith]

I agree but the Bengals have not shown alot of willingness to trade down of late (since Perry), I think trading down to 8 or 10 would be very reasonable, though I would still push for Maualuga.

[Kazkal]

I agree but the Bengals have not shown alot of willingness to trade down of late (since Perry), I think trading down to 8 or 10 would be very reasonable, though I would still push for Maualuga.

Trading down to 8-10 then getting maualuga would be superb

[whizzo]

maualuga and rivers as the new cornerstones of our Defense would really kick ass... especially Parker's and McGahee's

[HAPPYJAQ]

Well, another line of thought here is that if you do trade down, you need to know who the players who might be available at that lower spot you end up at

If we were to trade down to say 15 or so, Maclin would not be nearly as objectionable as he would at 6

I agree and believe it's the ONLY reason they're looking at Maclin. He won't be drafted at 6, but could be a nice option at 12, if he's there. Depending on what happens with Cutler, Denver could be a logical partner in a trade.

[ArmyBengal]

If they only trade down a spot or two, I think they will only be trying to reduce how much money they have to pay Andre Smith and take less heat for making the pick as opposed to the 6th spot.

Trading down past 10 and grabbing Maualuga would make me very happy.

Honestly, I think the move down would be almost more important in what we would stand to gain in the additional pick. A spot or two probably gets us a 3rd. Down much past 10 may net a couple picks. Those picks would be absolutely huge when considering the needs for this team. The pick(s) will free things up quite a bit.