Chad STILL wants out!

[COB]

Oh no....a former Bengal that threatens to say more bad things about the team....what are they going to do???? I am far more interested in the Bengals than 99.9% of NFL fans and I could give 2 s***s about what TJ has to say about anything at this point. He is turning into a little girl -- move on. What's he going to do next, text bad things about Marvin to Chad?? Who gives a f**k?

Agreed. Too much drama. Get some professional football players in here and get on with this thing. This is why, more than any other signings, I was glad to see them get Jeanty, Benson, and Crocker. Change the identity of this team from diva receivers to players who can bring real weight to the contact end of things. Old identity - crying because we're not getting enough attention. New identity - make the other guy cry.

Trade Chad.

[HAPPYJAQ]

Oh no....a former Bengal that threatens to say more bad things about the team....what are they going to do???? I am far more interested in the Bengals than 99.9% of NFL fans and I could give 2 s***s about what TJ has to say about anything at this point. He is turning into a little girl -- move on. What's he going to do next, text bad things about Marvin to Chad?? Who gives a f**k?

Agreed. Too much drama. Get some professional football players in here and get on with this thing. This is why, more than any other signings, I was glad to see them get Jeanty, Benson, and Crocker. Change the identity of this team from diva receivers to players who can bring real weight to the contact end of things. Old identity - crying because we're not getting enough attention. New identity - make the other guy cry.

Trade Chad.

I agree.

Marvin has BEEN wanting to clean house on these guys and he got a little closer with T.J. leaving voluntarily. I like how the roster is shaping up with guys who are hard working, professional football players. I've had enough with guys gushing over private planes, talking about their vintage car collections or turning SportsCenter into a Cincinnati Bengals-influenced soap opera.

The other positive to Marvin cleaing house is we get a chance to see what he can do with HIS guys and I don't think we've ever had a chance to see that, in it's entirety.

Do you all think Mikey would ever go the Jerry Jones route and let Chad go for nothing? If we ever lose Marvin, it'll be because of him growing tired of being overruled in roster decisions and he'll go to a different team (with an actual GM and scouting department) and win a Super Bowl.

[HairOnFire]

Do you all think Mikey would ever go the Jerry Jones route and let Chad go for nothing?

Yeah, I can, but I don't think it's being considered very seriously now. In fact I think one of the reasons Coles was added was to give Chad a new sidekick and with it the breath of fresh air he keeps yammering about. In short, I think they're still attempting to salvage their relationship with Chad.

That said, there is speculation about how Jones acted on the TO matter only after other players on the Cowboys roster repeatedly stepped forward, and I can easily imagine Brown acting in the same reluctant fashion were those circumstances repeated here. But again, there's no leadership of that type on this roster. Rather, past team captains like Willie Anderson and John Thornton have shown open support for Chad.

[Thurmanation]

*repost*

what does this mean?

[jditty47]

he accidently duplicated his post and since you can't delete your post, he cleared what he wrote and let everyone know that it was an accident.

hence the *repost*

(i got ur back mods )

[ArmyBengal]

Bear with me in the specualtion of trading Chad here for a minute...

With the possibility of Holt hitting the market and TO (while most are staying away) does anyone think it hurts the chances of the Bengals trading Chad when others can be had without giving up a draft pick ?? The Giants are linked to Holt if he does in fact get released.

[Pidge]

Bear with me in the specualtion of trading Chad here for a minute...

With the possibility of Holt hitting the market and TO (while most are staying away) does anyone think it hurts the chances of the Bengals trading Chad when others can be had without giving up a draft pick ?? The Giants are linked to Holt if he does in fact get released.

Yes, Holt does at least. For a team like the Giants who are built to win now they need a receiver for a push this season and then look at their options next off-season. They also appear to quite well run and, I assume, would be reluctant to throw a piece of their future away to attain a short term goal they might be able to reach without giving up a pick or picks.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Bear with me in the specualtion of trading Chad here for a minute...

With the possibility of Holt hitting the market and TO (while most are staying away) does anyone think it hurts the chances of the Bengals trading Chad when others can be had without giving up a draft pick ?? The Giants are linked to Holt if he does in fact get released.

I was hoping the Giants would sign Harrison, allowing them to hold their WR position meetings at the local chapter of the NRA.

[walzav29]

He seems to be saying all of the right things. I know he's nuts, but will he try to redeem himself this year? I'm 50/50. I bet deep down he's glad TJ is gone. He was starting to steal his thunder.

[whizzo]

with carson back and coles in the mix to pull some heat off chad, 85's in the perfect position to have a monster season. not saying he will, but he could. if he does, last year will go down as a small slump, not really worth mentioning. if he screws up this year as well, people will start saying he's getting old etc. i'm fairly sure chad knows this too, so he'll definitely do everything he can to put up good numbers this season.

[HairOnFire]

I'll say it once more before letting it drop. I think the one of the primary reasons for signing Coles was to ignite Chad. A way to give him the breath of fresh air he keeps talking about without actually giving him a change of scenery. Lose a sidekick? Well here's a new sidekick. And btw, huge props to Coles for reaching out....offering the Batman and Robin comparison. You just know that's going into this seasons bag of Chadwickian tricks and celebrations.

Question? Wasn't Coles a team captain in New York?

[HAPPYJAQ]

I'll say it once more before letting it drop. I think the one of the primary reasons for signing Coles was to ignite Chad. A way to give him the breath of fresh air he keeps talking about without actually giving him a change of scenery. Lose a sidekick? Well here's a new sidekick. And btw, huge props to Coles for reaching out....offering the Batman and Robin comparison. You just know that's going into this seasons bag of Chadwickian tricks and celebrations.

Question? Wasn't Coles a team captain in New York?

Good post and I agree here. I definitely don't believe that Coles was signed to allow for the team to trade Chad, as some have suggested. Here's another thing to conider, the Bengals would take a cap hit in any move (trade or release) involving Chad, that could possibly take them over the cap and force them to release other players. A more likely scenario would be for the team to trade or release Chad after the '09 season, where the cap hit is less and the young receivers have another year under their belt in the system. I think the Bengals are quietly hoping that Jerome Simpson will be ready for starting duty in place of Chad by the 2010 season.

Coles is growing on me day-by-day and should be a major factor for this team in addition to a much needed positive influence in the locker room. He's a class act all the way and after going through some Jets message boards, they are pissed that he left. Great pickup for the Bengals.

[ArmyBengal]

For the record, I honestly don't think Chad is going anywhere. Merely pointing out that if it did happen, it wouldn't suprise me in the least. The cap hit this year would be far more tolerable than what it would have been last year. I give Coles a ton of credit as well and love how he credited Carson as a big selling point for the team. Yes, he was a team captain in New York.

Carson was selling the team huh ?? Isn't that some of the leadership some suggest Carson doesn't possess ??

[volcom69]

What makes me laugh about this whole thing is yea maybe chad does want out, but the only person saying it is TJ and dosnt even play on this team anymore. Man the guy leaves and still cant keep his mouth shut.

[HAPPYJAQ]

What makes me laugh about this whole thing is yea maybe chad does want out, but the only person saying it is TJ and dosnt even play on this team anymore. Man the guy leaves and still cant keep his mouth shut.

Deion, who is supposedly pretty close to Chad, has said it throughout this offseason. I'm curious to see how Chad is going to react to the Coles signing.

I would love to see Chad return to his 2002-2004 form. With Chad, Coles, a focused Henry, a developing Caldwell/Simpson, and Utecht, we could be very explosive in the passing game and have a nice counter in the running game with Benson.

Or according to Marvin, vise versa.

[whizzo]

"vice versa" as in "everyone will in fact suck" or as in "the passing game will balance the (dominant) running game"? pretty important distinction right there

[HAPPYJAQ]

"vice versa" as in "everyone will in fact suck" or as in "the passing game will balance the (dominant) running game"? pretty important distinction right there

Now that I think about it, flip of the coin.

It's disturbing to think we didn't bring in at least ONE free agent center to visit. They're really rolling the dice on the Santucci/Cook/Crummey trio or adding somebody through the draft (which always translates to reaching to fill a position of need). Looks like the Foster deal may not get done, too. The most vulnerable unit on the team had an opportunity to bring in a proven veteran player and failed to do so. Not even a stopgap-type.

We instead paid over 9 million in guaranteed money in 2009 to Coles. Unless a miraculous event happens where we can land at least one stud that is a Day 1 starter on the offensive line, we can expect more 3 step drops in '09, which means more 8 in the box defenses.

I'll remain cautiously optimistic on the "passing game will balance the (dominant) running game" line of thinking, for now.

[mgilgris]

We all know exactly what is going to happen as far as the Center position goes:

1) We resign Guycheck to league minimum

2) We take a center in either round two or three ... (probably wood in 2)

I was hoping that this wasnt going to be true but i fear it is.

[TJJackson]

I'd set the chance of resigning Ghiaciuc at about 10% at this point

I think he is willing to sign for minimum

I am not sure the team is willing to pay him that much.

Anyone know if he has even gotten one single FA visit? anywhere?

Even the ever-positive Hobson declares he is "not expected back". If they actually wanted him re-signed, I doubt they'd allow Hobson to write that

[Bearcat1975]

We all know exactly what is going to happen as far as the Center position goes:

1) We resign Guycheck to league minimum

2) We take a center in either round two or three ... (probably wood in 2)

I was hoping that this wasnt going to be true but i fear it is.

This.

Its either going to be Gaycheck, a rook, an unproven, or some combination of the 3. How they didn't go into the offseason with a vet Center as their TOP priority is just mind numbingly baffling.

Maybe the first week of free agency those lads with so much disposable income over at WhoDeyRevolution should have flown a banner over PBS with a picture of Carson's bloody nose on it. Because its like they totally forgot the oline was the main reason why the Bengals sucked so badly last season.

And what have they done to address the oline so far?

NOTHING! They actually lost a starter in Andrews. Must be more of this "addition by subtraction" I have been hearing so much about.

Once again they Bengals will hang their hopes on rookies and 3rd tier castoffs.

LT Collins? Jones?

LG Whitworth

C Gaycheck? Rook?

RG Williams

RT ????

Pretty much the complete opposite of:

"I Love it when a plan comes together."

Big Willie would still be a starter here, not even a backup. As opposed to cutting him and doing absolutely nothing with the cap savings from cutting him. Well, Mike Brown pocketed it. I guess that is technically something. But nothing to help the team whatsoever. And now look at the gaping void at RT.

Unreal, this "franchise." Simply unreal.

[HAPPYJAQ]

I understand that the Bengals want to go to this "zone blocking scheme" but we simply don't have the players for it. That is my only thought to why they haven't brought in any FA's this offseason at the center position. Maybe they feel that those players available through FA would not be a match for that philosophy.

Doesn't the "zone blocking scheme" require smaller, more agile linemen?

I'm hoping that we can somehow get either Wood or Unger in the 2nd round, and the Bengals actually pull the trigger on one of the two.

Otherwise, we're screwed.

Again.

[Kazkal]

I understand that the Bengals want to go to this "zone blocking scheme"

Again.

Says who? How have they showed they wanna do this by taking guys like Whitworth and Collins?

This.

Its either going to be Gaycheck, a rook, an unproven, or some combination of the 3. How they didn't go into the offseason with a vet Center as their TOP priority is just mind numbingly baffling.

Maybe the first week of free agency those lads with so much disposable income over at WhoDeyRevolution should have flown a banner over PBS with a picture of Carson's bloody nose on it. Because its like they totally forgot the oline was the main reason why the Bengals sucked so badly last season.

And what have they done to address the oline so far?

NOTHING! They actually lost a starter in Andrews. Must be more of this "addition by subtraction" I have been hearing so much abou

Um I'd say they did something by letting the 2 of the biggest problems from last year walk...I would have thought nothing was being done had they resigned them both...Well I prefered to get a vetern center I would be more then happy with Woods,Unger or Mack starting day one for us.

[HairOnFire]

And what have they done to address the oline so far?

Are you suggesting they start the draft a few weeks earlier than the rest of the NFL?

[Bearcat1975]

Um I'd say they did something by letting the 2 of the biggest problems from last year walk...

Ahh yes, more of this "addition by subtraction" I have been hearing so much about!

Well the whole line pretty much sucked last season I'm sure we can all agree. So by that rationale, if the Bengals release every offensive linemen they have, then there would be nothing left to do but get ready for the playoffs baby!!!

Are you suggesting they start the draft a few weeks earlier than the rest of the NFL?

Nope, try again.

I'm suggesting that they can let Willie or Stacy walk, but letting them both walk is stupid when they have no one to replace either with.

I'm suggesting that landing a solid vet center should have been their top priority this offseason, even if they had to trade Chad or draft picks to make it happen. Instead they did nothing. As usual.

I'm suggesting that hoping a couple of rookies can fix the oline problems is a surefire recipe for another painful season for Palmer and another losing season for the Bengals.

I'm also suggesting that you are smarter than your smart-alec remark above, because I'm not telling you anything here that you don't already know.

[HairOnFire]

I'm also suggesting that you are smarter than your smart-alec remark above, because I'm not telling you anything here that you don't already know.

Right back at 'ya.

I think it's fair to say the consensus opinion about which draft strategy the Bengals are most likley to use has for months been centered on DRAFTING MULTIPLE OFFENSIVE LINEMAN.

And while we've busied ourselves weighing all of the other options, some more realistic than others, the consensus opinion has never really changed, has it? The groupspeak can still be heard loudly chanting..."best OT in the 1st round, best OC in the 2nd!"

Agree or disagree, but if that really is the plan then it's not accurate to claim they don't have a replacement for Willie and Stacey. All that's left to be decided is who that replacement will be. And while we all loved the idea of adding a veteran OC....there has always been another option, right?

So now we all wait for the draft, some more patiently than others.