Everyone done jumping off the bridge yet?

[membengal]

Who's going Hudson?

Better yet, why are the Bengals not?

We watched them piss away the 2007 season with too many weeks of not paying attention, not playing with fire, not caring. Then we watch 2008 start the same way? It's not jumping off a bridge to note, at this juncture, that the road they are on is one that leads to abject failure.

I would feel better if they themselves would acknowledge that in some way, or show that they give a good damn.

Ocho and Housh are almost certainly in this only for themselves. Probably same for Perry. I have no idea what is going through Levi's mind at this point. That's four key guys on the offense that I have no idea whether they are bought in or not. I am guessing, based on Sunday, that would be "not".

It's a huge, huge, huge problem.

Ocho takes the entire off-season off by being a two-year-old on a tantrum, gets his surgery late, and then comes up injured right away in August. What a shocker.

Housh spends his usual off-season not being with the team, and then nurtures a "hammy" into missing the entire month of August and is shocked SHOCKED when he is not ready for game speed on Sunday.

The whole thing is problemactic on so many different levels, the mind reels.

Maybe they will find some professional pride and get their heads around to caring come Sunday, but I am doubting it. Man do I miss the days of Housh wiping his feet with a Terrible Towel. That Housh cared a ton about winning. He had a swagger. I don't know if that guy is still around. This Housh is playing for his next contract. Same with Ocho. And, in their case, this is NOT a good thing.

[Sandwedge]

No pride in this organization from top to bottom.... I never felt so angry watching football as I did Sunday... I lost it on Carson's last "delay of game" penalty... You can't tell me we don't have any talent on this team?? I'm sick of watching Marvin stand there on the sideline with arms crossed.. Get in someone's f&*king face douchebag!!! Act like a coach that cares!!! For christ's sake here it comes, all out again thinking of our O-line!!! Biggest bunch of pu**ies ever essembled... Nice play calling Brat.... Bread and butter play?? Ahh Carson that play hasn't worked since Pete Johnson got stopped by Hacksaw Reynolds in the 81 SuperBowl... Don't let me forget about his Holy Majesty, untouchable TJ Houshmanzedah... Nice hands there partner, maybe if you had practice you would have caught that pass... I need my head checked for sticking by this team for over 35 years,,,,,

[damiancasey]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...spbennotes.html

Not to rub salt in our wounds...but I was trying to remember what nickname the offensive line adopted this summer at training camp. It was the "Jurassic Line".

What a freakin joke...

[Jet23]

No pride in this organization from top to bottom.... I never felt so angry watching football as I did Sunday... I lost it on Carson's last "delay of game" penalty... You can't tell me we don't have any talent on this team?? I'm sick of watching Marvin stand there on the sideline with arms crossed.. Get in someone's f&*king face douchebag!!! Act like a coach that cares!!! For christ's sake here it comes, all out again thinking of our O-line!!! Biggest bunch of pu**ies ever essembled... Nice play calling Brat.... Bread and butter play?? Ahh Carson that play hasn't worked since Pete Johnson got stopped by Hacksaw Reynolds in the 81 SuperBowl... Don't let me forget about his Holy Majesty, untouchable TJ Houshmanzedah... Nice hands there partner, maybe if you had practice you would have caught that pass... I need my head checked for sticking by this team for over 35 years,,,,,

I feel ya playa. I'm working on 27-years myself. I am pretty much past anger and frustration. Lately, I just feel stupid for continuing to be a fan. It's like buying the same crap cup of coffee every morning. Are we really buying what Mike Brown is selling? How many times can a brother be kicked in the grapes?

I find myself watching the Colts more and more. Sad but true.

[cincyhokie]

Who's going Hudson?

Better yet, why are the Bengals not?

We watched them piss away the 2007 season with too many weeks of not paying attention, not playing with fire, not caring. Then we watch 2008 start the same way? It's not jumping off a bridge to note, at this juncture, that the road they are on is one that leads to abject failure.

I would feel better if they themselves would acknowledge that in some way, or show that they give a good damn.

Ocho and Housh are almost certainly in this only for themselves. Probably same for Perry. I have no idea what is going through Levi's mind at this point. That's four key guys on the offense that I have no idea whether they are bought in or not. I am guessing, based on Sunday, that would be "not".

It's a huge, huge, huge problem.

Ocho takes the entire off-season off by being a two-year-old on a tantrum, gets his surgery late, and then comes up injured right away in August. What a shocker.

Housh spends his usual off-season not being with the team, and then nurtures a "hammy" into missing the entire month of August and is shocked SHOCKED when he is not ready for game speed on Sunday.

The whole thing is problemactic on so many different levels, the mind reels.

Maybe they will find some professional pride and get their heads around to caring come Sunday, but I am doubting it. Man do I miss the days of Housh wiping his feet with a Terrible Towel. That Housh cared a ton about winning. He had a swagger. I don't know if that guy is still around. This Housh is playing for his next contract. Same with Ocho. And, in their case, this is NOT a good thing.

I don't think that it's that they don't care...it's that they have no direction. To get some sort of direction, they need someone to step up DESPERATELY. Marvin and Brat aren't going to do it. That leaves the natural leader position of QB. Carson needs to be a much more vocal leader. If he does that there can be improvement.

Hey, anyone remember 1997 when Boomer came back and turned the 1-7 Bengals into a 7-9 team??? Boomer came in and grabbed that team by the f**king nuts and took charge!!! Willie Anderson remembers.

Step up Carson, now's your time.

[Ickey44]

i expect absolutely nothing out of this team this year...it's not the 0-1 record having lost to a less talented team. upsets happen; i can deal with that and understand that.

not since the 90's have i seen any team play as lackluster as we did on sunday. it was f**king pathetic- the reverse play and the flacco speed-walk to the endzone literally made me sick to my stomach. two of our best players on defense (joseph, rivers) literally jogged after clayton and flacco. some are saying that rivers was not jogging and he was tryin to hunt him down...b.s. the last 10 yards, rivers realized nobody else was going to tackle flacco, so he kicked it up a notch and...VIOLA, he caught him in a heartbeat! the EFFORT IS NOT THERE. same play, marvin white is tied up in a block and literally stands there with the blocker until flacco passes him and then jogs away from the block....he f**king JOGGED.

joseph made plays, hall made a couple nice ones...rivers had 10 tackles. good job fellas, you're SUPPOSED to make plays. except you're supposed to do it EVERY PLAY.

ironically enough, the only guys who seemed to give effort all game were the whipping boys of the bengals in recent years: the d-line. they played with heart and top-shelf effort all game.

willie anderson said it was "night and day" when talking about the ravens practices and the bengals practices. he and rudi both laughed at the bengals organization after they were released. we're a joke of a franchise, even among players in the league.

le'ron mcclain was quoted after the game, regarding the final drive when the ravens simply walked over us to end the game: "We were all up in the huddle just ready to get to the next play, and their heads were down, just ready for it to be over with. We just started taking it to them."

the chemistry, motivation, and inspiration on this team are pathetic. where does it start? who knows, but the one constant throughout all these miserable years of fanhood in bengaldom is mike brown.

You know you may be right in all these things. All I saying is how about we wait to see a few more games before we throw the season away.

"We" aren't throwing the season away, the team is.

[Ickey44]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...spbennotes.html

Not to rub salt in our wounds...but I was trying to remember what nickname the offensive line adopted this summer at training camp. It was the "Jurassic Line".

What a freakin joke...

Does that mean they're extinct?

[fattyjay]

I understand everyone's arguement about how the team has no passion, is getting out coached, is too self-serving and I agree with most of it. All I'm saying is that there are still 15 games left to judge this team by and I'm giving them a little slack. Maybe they don't deserve it but at this point I'm not ready to start looking at draft prospects, I've waited too long for this season to start.

[damiancasey]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/s/content/o...spbennotes.html

Not to rub salt in our wounds...but I was trying to remember what nickname the offensive line adopted this summer at training camp. It was the "Jurassic Line".

What a freakin joke...

Does that mean they're extinct?

Extinct, big dumb and slow with tiny arms, about to be wiped out by a meteor, etc.

[Sandwedge]

I understand everyone's arguement about how the team has no passion, is getting out coached, is too self-serving and I agree with most of it. All I'm saying is that there are still 15 games left to judge this team by and I'm giving them a little slack. Maybe they don't deserve it but at this point I'm not ready to start looking at draft prospects, I've waited too long for this season to start.

If they show an ounce of pride and can show us fans that they are trying, they will win us back... Hell we fans are not going anywhere or else we'd have already done it.. We are tired of the same lip service from these guys... I'll make a bet with anyone, we will hear " We just gotta keep working harder" about a hundred times this year... Quit feeding us bullschitt... Btw Chad, I'm still waiting for the show to begin...

[7/11]

Who's going Hudson?

Better yet, why are the Bengals not?

We watched them piss away the 2007 season with too many weeks of not paying attention, not playing with fire, not caring. Then we watch 2008 start the same way? It's not jumping off a bridge to note, at this juncture, that the road they are on is one that leads to abject failure.

I would feel better if they themselves would acknowledge that in some way, or show that they give a good damn.

Ocho and Housh are almost certainly in this only for themselves. Probably same for Perry. I have no idea what is going through Levi's mind at this point. That's four key guys on the offense that I have no idea whether they are bought in or not. I am guessing, based on Sunday, that would be "not".

It's a huge, huge, huge problem.

Ocho takes the entire off-season off by being a two-year-old on a tantrum, gets his surgery late, and then comes up injured right away in August. What a shocker.

Housh spends his usual off-season not being with the team, and then nurtures a "hammy" into missing the entire month of August and is shocked SHOCKED when he is not ready for game speed on Sunday.

The whole thing is problemactic on so many different levels, the mind reels.

Maybe they will find some professional pride and get their heads around to caring come Sunday, but I am doubting it. Man do I miss the days of Housh wiping his feet with a Terrible Towel. That Housh cared a ton about winning. He had a swagger. I don't know if that guy is still around. This Housh is playing for his next contract. Same with Ocho. And, in their case, this is NOT a good thing.

bro, t.j. wants to win as badly as anyone in the entire league. i don't question t.j., carson or even chad's eagerness to win. yeah, chad has his dr. phil, trade-me b.s. off-season, but when it comes to preparing for games and playing games, nobody wants to win more than those three guys.

their passion is not the root of their problems...their lack of leadership, especially carson's is the root.

there is no doubt the "jurassic line" wants to play hard for carson- b/c carson is a good qb, NOT b/c carson instills motivation in them. boomer came back to cincy and threatened the linemen..he said, "if you don't protect me, i will throw this ball up your ass." that line was half as talented as this one, but you know what? they did a pretty damn good job protecting him.

the california cool attitude of carson's would work on some teams, but definitely not on this team- a team with no other leaders and a bunch of talented guys whose routines do not include what other players are doing. chad and t.j. are great players who work hard and want to win..without a doubt, but neither guy is a rah-rah guy who wanted to be there to help jerome or andre this off-season. torry holt spent all off-season working with donnie avery; jerry rice tutored t.o. to stardom; donald driver has played a big part in greg jennings' vault to upper-tier WR.

there ain't a lack of desire to win; there's a lack of desire to win as a team, with each other.

this team desperately lacks leadership...that's why i was somewhat surprised when willie got cut--he and reggie kelly were the ONLY offensive leaders on this team. the only reason john thornton is even on this team is b/c he is one of two leaders on the entire defense.

this team, regardless of its talent level, needs drastic changes. the guys we have right now are talented, but we are somehow not harnessing that talent into players that want to play for a team.

as for t.j., he hasn't pressed the contract issue once (at least in public)...and i wouldn't blame him if he wasn't pressing it on purpose- he probably doesn't want to play here, and i don't blame him at all.

[membengal]

I understand everyone's arguement about how the team has no passion, is getting out coached, is too self-serving and I agree with most of it. All I'm saying is that there are still 15 games left to judge this team by and I'm giving them a little slack. Maybe they don't deserve it but at this point I'm not ready to start looking at draft prospects, I've waited too long for this season to start.

Def not looking ahead to the draft either.

BUT, I am AM hoping the Bengals find them some urgency. Like this week. Or we will be looking to the draft by early October. And I don't want that.

I am hoping they don't want that either.

But I don't know that to be the case.

ETA: 7/11...IF tj doesn't want to be here (which you say you would not blame him for), that just leads back into my greater point that he may not be fully committed to what it takes to win on a weekly basis in the NFL. That would be very different from the TJ that we know up to now, but would certainly explain that hammy, the practice skipping, and his being unprepared for the speed of the game on Sunday. Hope I am wrong, but I lump him in with CJ and others at this point when I wonder about just how committed this team is to winning.

[gregstephens]

Who's going Hudson?

Better yet, why are the Bengals not?

We watched them piss away the 2007 season with too many weeks of not paying attention, not playing with fire, not caring. Then we watch 2008 start the same way? It's not jumping off a bridge to note, at this juncture, that the road they are on is one that leads to abject failure.

I would feel better if they themselves would acknowledge that in some way, or show that they give a good damn.

Ocho and Housh are almost certainly in this only for themselves. Probably same for Perry. I have no idea what is going through Levi's mind at this point. That's four key guys on the offense that I have no idea whether they are bought in or not. I am guessing, based on Sunday, that would be "not".

It's a huge, huge, huge problem.

Ocho takes the entire off-season off by being a two-year-old on a tantrum, gets his surgery late, and then comes up injured right away in August. What a shocker.

Housh spends his usual off-season not being with the team, and then nurtures a "hammy" into missing the entire month of August and is shocked SHOCKED when he is not ready for game speed on Sunday.

The whole thing is problemactic on so many different levels, the mind reels.

Maybe they will find some professional pride and get their heads around to caring come Sunday, but I am doubting it. Man do I miss the days of Housh wiping his feet with a Terrible Towel. That Housh cared a ton about winning. He had a swagger. I don't know if that guy is still around. This Housh is playing for his next contract. Same with Ocho. And, in their case, this is NOT a good thing.

bro, t.j. wants to win as badly as anyone in the entire league. i don't question t.j., carson or even chad's eagerness to win. yeah, chad has his dr. phil, trade-me b.s. off-season, but when it comes to preparing for games and playing games, nobody wants to win more than those three guys.

their passion is not the root of their problems...their lack of leadership, especially carson's is the root.

there is no doubt the "jurassic line" wants to play hard for carson- b/c carson is a good qb, NOT b/c carson instills motivation in them. boomer came back to cincy and threatened the linemen..he said, "if you don't protect me, i will throw this ball up your ass." that line was half as talented as this one, but you know what? they did a pretty damn good job protecting him.

the california cool attitude of carson's would work on some teams, but definitely not on this team- a team with no other leaders and a bunch of talented guys whose routines do not include what other players are doing. chad and t.j. are great players who work hard and want to win..without a doubt, but neither guy is a rah-rah guy who wanted to be there to help jerome or andre this off-season. torry holt spent all off-season working with donnie avery; jerry rice tutored t.o. to stardom; donald driver has played a big part in greg jennings' vault to upper-tier WR.

there ain't a lack of desire to win; there's a lack of desire to win as a team, with each other.

this team desperately lacks leadership...that's why i was somewhat surprised when willie got cut--he and reggie kelly were the ONLY offensive leaders on this team. the only reason john thornton is even on this team is b/c he is one of two leaders on the entire defense.

this team, regardless of its talent level, needs drastic changes. the guys we have right now are talented, but we are somehow not harnessing that talent into players that want to play for a team.

as for t.j., he hasn't pressed the contract issue once (at least in public)...and i wouldn't blame him if he wasn't pressing it on purpose- he probably doesn't want to play here, and i don't blame him at all.

I have no doubt you are right...those guys want to win. Unfortunately, they don't want to play hard to get it. There is a difference.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Yes I know everyone and their brother had this game down as one of a few precious wins, but if the first week results have taught me anything its that preseason predictions can be thrown out the window once the season begins. Who here thought the Colts would lose to the Bears, or the Chargers to Panthers, or the Lions to the Falcons? There called upsets and they will happen every week in the NFL, and even sometimes to the Bengals both for and against. Its frustrating for sure but to say the season is over after a disappointing week one loss is just ludicrous.

You must have missed our complete lack of defensive pressure on Flacco during the game, not to mention our OL failing again to protect Carson. If you think this is just a slight bump in the road called the season, you got another thing coming.

[PhunkE1]

I don't think that it's that they don't care...it's that they have no direction. To get some sort of direction, they need someone to step up DESPERATELY. Marvin and Brat aren't going to do it. That leaves the natural leader position of QB. Carson needs to be a much more vocal leader. If he does that there can be improvement.

Hey, anyone remember 1997 when Boomer came back and turned the 1-7 Bengals into a 7-9 team??? Boomer came in and grabbed that team by the f**king nuts and took charge!!! Willie Anderson remembers.

Step up Carson, now's your time.

ding ding ding.

You hit the nail on the head. We need Carson to get in everybody's grill. We can't settle for this. The first sign of strife and this team folds. At this point I think Carson is the only one that could reach this team. Hopefully his normal composed press conference after the game is the exact opposite of what the rest of the team saw in the locker room last Sunday.

[volcom69]

I agree this team is very weak and the first sign of bad on this team and it all goes down so somebody needs to step up and be the leader and take charge of this team its what they need, let everyone know this is a team game no more playing for yourselves lets get toghter and firgue it out. Like someone else said there is to much talent on this team for this kind of crap to happen they need to win a game and feel good about themselves and maybe things will role from there. So the question is who is going to step up now.