He is back.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Yea Marvin seemed quite mad wow.

Good! As each day passes he appears more and more incompetent. "In Marvin We Trust" my a$$. The ONLY thing you can trust about Marvin is what he says one day won't mean s**t the next!

[kingwilly]

Kaz, how did he end it? did not see it....

more info please!

[HoosierCat]

Yea he got on the fans pretty good there i couldnt beileve that, but i guess hes saying fans get over it you have nothing to with it everyone has bad days. Then he went on to say he has bad days too lol what the heck is wrong with him.

He just got screwed by ownership and crap flows downhill. We're downhill. I didn't expect anything different.

[BengalszoneBilly]

He just got screwed by ownership and crap flows downhill. We're downhill.

How convenient. We're already at were the team is heading.

[volcom69]

Im not sure what exactly he said but ive never seen him so mad at a press confrence and gave some reporter crap for asking a question at the end and stormed off, but he put down the fans i thought pretty good saying who gives a crap what the fans think everyone has a bad day. Ive been saying it now for 2 years Marvin has no control over this team never has (well maybe in 2005) but no one respects him no one listens to him they walk all over him like hes standing still. Grow some balls and get a hold of your team your the head coach so act like one. AHHH this piece of crap frustrates me.

[derekshank]

What I think it funny is how mad you guys are about Marvin not caring what fans think. There isn't a coach in this league that gives two s**ts about what the fans think of them. You're mad because Marvin was willing to say it out loud?

Okay... bad PR move, but I'd be pissed too if I just got thrown under the bus by a know nothing owner. Marvin has taken s**t for years covering Mike Brown's ass. This is just the latest in the saga - and he's probably damn tired. Marvin is not this team's problem. If you don't like Marvin... fine. There are more likable guys out there - but he's been nothing but a godsend to this franchise.

He turned this team around when there was no hope whatsoever, and his reward has been to deal with far more than his share of s**t from players, and upper management. I think he'll be the happiest person involved if he gets fired at the end of this year. He'll get a job somewhere else.

But as for the Bengals? What good coach in their right mind would come to this circus? Marvin is the best Cincy could possibly get right now, and I think it is a shame the way he's getting steamrolled.

[volcom69]

I dont care what he says about the fans because we have no say in anything anyways so who really cares about that, but as a fan i do care that the HEAD COACH puts a prepared team out to play each sunday a team whos going to go out and try there best to compete and win. If last year you can show me that the team went out and played 110% for Marvin week in and week out as a complete team then fine, but i sure didnt see it. I just feel Marvin lost this team last year or the year before and now i only think it gets worse. If Marvin can coach these guys to go out and give 110% each game and learn to become winners then great, but as of right now im not even sure he can do that or even if he wants to do that. Im just hoping this whole Chris Henry thing does not dictate how the season goes and tears apart the locker room and crap like that. I guess now time will tell.

[HoosierCat]

Transcript from Curnutte.

[damiancasey]

We are where we are - let's move on and quit bitching.

After watching the press conference I'm actually feeling much better about the move. CH knows that this is it and I think his come-to-Jesus with Micheal Irvin did alot to get his head on straight. I think that what the Bengals did was execute a pretty crafty flanking maneuver on the NFL just like CentralOhio said. Do you really think no other NFL team was going to pick him up?

He's a great wr and his team mates love him - he's not the devil and he's not Pickins.

Finally - all I've seen on here is doom and gloom about how the season is toast after the first two preseason games. If that's the case then what possible harm could come from adding CH to the team?

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe. Frankly, everyone's blaming MB but there are many other possibilities - Carson could have lobbied heavily for CH, MB could have gone over ML's head, ML could have looked at his options and just changed his mind. Nobody knows and we never will for sure. This move may have actually strengthened ML's leadership position.

I'm excited to see what he can do.

Who dey!!!!!!!!

[volcom69]

I hope his teammates love him i really do that right now is the only thing that scares me is teammates taking sides and that in turn would be a horrible thing.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe.

Maybe my ass. Any NFL head coach worth his salt simply cannot take a stand as Marvin did less than a month ago, then turn around and totally reverse himself. Reputation basically gets shot to hell when your statements mean as much as one coming from a pre-schooler.

[HoosierCat]

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe.

Maybe my ass. Any NFL head coach worth his salt simply cannot take a stand as Marvin did less than a month ago, then turn around and totally reverse himself. Reputation basically gets shot to hell when your statements mean as much as one coming from a pre-schooler.

Ding.

The inmates are running the asylum again, and any sane folks left in the locker room are going to be looking for the quickest way out.

Chad Johnson spends the offseason indulging in assclownery...and ends up welcomed back with a promise to review his contract after the season! Marvin states time and time again that Henry is gone...and presto, here he is back. Oh, and our arguably best WR? Set to be a FA next season with no sign of talks on the horizon. This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional mess we saw all through the Nineties.

[BengalszoneBilly]

This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional mess we saw all through the Nineties.

...second verse, same as the first.

[cincyhokie]

On the bright side.....

According to the stats shown on ESPN, the Bengals running game drastically improved in the last 8 games of the year (88 ypg to 101 ypg) citing that possibly the addition of Henry and him stretching the field affected how defenses stacked the box.

That may mean more running room for the RBs and less pressure on Palmer if the secondary and LB's have to take the passing game into account more.

Just a thought.

[junglegal]

On the bright side.....

According to the stats shown on ESPN, the Bengals running game drastically improved in the last 8 games of the year (88 ypg to 101 ypg) citing that possibly the addition of Henry and him stretching the field affected how defenses stacked the box.

That may mean more running room for the RBs and less pressure on Palmer if the secondary and LB's have to take the passing game into account more.

Just a thought.

Signing Henry is a joke. He's out the first four games anyway. And due for arrest somewhere in October. Hopefully, well knowing Bengals luck, mebbe not, TJ and Chad will be playing well before that. Knowing Cincy luck, on September 1st, Chad and TJ will be at the Rockbottom and either the Earth will swallow them up or they'll get arrested for being a Bengal. With Watson, Perry, finally establishing the run (sorry Rudi) and Utecht as a quasi-catching TE, we'll live. It's our defense that's killed us in the past. Scoring 31+ points usually wins the game. But not when the other team scores five td's in the second half. Never mind. I'm still reeling from the SD loss a few seasons ago.

The thing that bothered me the most about Sundays game was the offensive line. The Lions pass rush was pathetic last season. They looked like the NYGs in that game.

[cincyhokie]

On the bright side.....

According to the stats shown on ESPN, the Bengals running game drastically improved in the last 8 games of the year (88 ypg to 101 ypg) citing that possibly the addition of Henry and him stretching the field affected how defenses stacked the box.

That may mean more running room for the RBs and less pressure on Palmer if the secondary and LB's have to take the passing game into account more.

Just a thought.

Signing Henry is a joke. He's out the first four games anyway. And due for arrest somewhere in October. Hopefully, well knowing Bengals luck, mebbe not, TJ and Chad will be playing well before that. Knowing Cincy luck, on September 1st, Chad and TJ will be at the Rockbottom and either the Earth will swallow them up or they'll get arrested for being a Bengal. With Watson, Perry, finally establishing the run (sorry Rudi) and Utecht as a quasi-catching TE, we'll live. It's our defense that's killed us in the past. Scoring 31+ points usually wins the game. But not when the other team scores five td's in the second half. Never mind. I'm still reeling from the SD loss a few seasons ago.

The thing that bothered me the most about Sundays game was the offensive line. The Lions pass rush was pathetic last season. They looked like the NYGs in that game.

Yeah, the SD game in 2006 was the lowpoint for me as a fan. Bresh should have been fired after that season, not following 2007.

I think the offense will pick it up and the o-line will play better. I still think we're going to see alot of inconsistency from the offense this year....and yes I too believe signing Henry was a mistake.

[Kazkal]

Yeah nice interview there marv.......

Marivn says its a waste of time complaining about the Chris henry signing. Well F*** off there coach......

I have been a fan of this team WAY longer than he has been around here and to just dump on the fans like that.

I am offically OFF the Marvin banwagon.

OK there marv.... Why the hell don't you get your freakin players under control. The Bengals ar back to being a laughing stock of the nFL. Nice job there coach.

Marvin Lewis SUCKS!

Maybe he says its a waste of time because he was a against it and mike brown did it anyways ? So if anything it would seem more like hes on those fans side and saying theres no point in wasting your time because he should know....

Yea Marvin seemed quite mad wow.

Good! As each day passes he appears more and more incompetent. "In Marvin We Trust" my a$$. The ONLY thing you can trust about Marvin is what he says one day won't mean s**t the next!

Once again How is it Marvins fault if he had no say in the matter? what do you want him to do Step down ?

[membengal]

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe.

Maybe my ass. Any NFL head coach worth his salt simply cannot take a stand as Marvin did less than a month ago, then turn around and totally reverse himself. Reputation basically gets shot to hell when your statements mean as much as one coming from a pre-schooler.

Ding.

The inmates are running the asylum again, and any sane folks left in the locker room are going to be looking for the quickest way out.

Chad Johnson spends the offseason indulging in assclownery...and ends up welcomed back with a promise to review his contract after the season! Marvin states time and time again that Henry is gone...and presto, here he is back. Oh, and our arguably best WR? Set to be a FA next season with no sign of talks on the horizon. This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional mess we saw all through the Nineties.

True enough. But THIS time around, we have a genuine QB. That masks a certain amount of stupidity. It at least keeps .500 in view in any given year...

[membengal]

Thornton makes a fair point:

Indeed the decision-making process seemed to raise more questions from the media than the decision itself in asking if Lewis' locker-room authority had been undermined a month after he came out so forcefully against Henry.

"No, we all respect Marvin," Thornton said. "It's (Brown's) team. Jerry Jones wanted T.O. and Bill Parcells didn't want him in Dallas. The owner has the right. That happens all over the league. It's no different here than anywhere else. He hasn't lost his credibility with us. He's going to coach who's ever here."

"Everybody has a boss; we all answer to somebody," Houshmandzadeh said. "Marvin answers to Mike and we answer to Marvin."

[TecmoFever]

Thornton makes a fair point:

Indeed the decision-making process seemed to raise more questions from the media than the decision itself in asking if Lewis' locker-room authority had been undermined a month after he came out so forcefully against Henry.

"No, we all respect Marvin," Thornton said. "It's (Brown's) team. Jerry Jones wanted T.O. and Bill Parcells didn't want him in Dallas. The owner has the right. That happens all over the league. It's no different here than anywhere else. He hasn't lost his credibility with us. He's going to coach who's ever here."

"Everybody has a boss; we all answer to somebody," Houshmandzadeh said. "Marvin answers to Mike and we answer to Marvin."

Yeah, and please remind us how the whole J. Jones-Parcells-TO saga played out. If I recall, it didn't work out so well for Parcells or for the Cowboys that year.

[membengal]

Playoffs. It ended in the playoffs.

[HoosierCat]

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe.

Maybe my ass. Any NFL head coach worth his salt simply cannot take a stand as Marvin did less than a month ago, then turn around and totally reverse himself. Reputation basically gets shot to hell when your statements mean as much as one coming from a pre-schooler.

Ding.

The inmates are running the asylum again, and any sane folks left in the locker room are going to be looking for the quickest way out.

Chad Johnson spends the offseason indulging in assclownery...and ends up welcomed back with a promise to review his contract after the season! Marvin states time and time again that Henry is gone...and presto, here he is back. Oh, and our arguably best WR? Set to be a FA next season with no sign of talks on the horizon. This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional mess we saw all through the Nineties.

True enough. But THIS time around, we have a genuine QB. That masks a certain amount of stupidity. It at least keeps .500 in view in any given year...

Agreed. But that said, who is the QB going to throw to? If we accept the premise that Chad and TJ are in danger of missing time due to nagging injuries, then signing Henry was the exact wrong thing to do. Our two star WRs are most likely to miss time at the start of the season, when Henry will be unable to help because he's suspended. Moreover, his presence makes it less likely, I'd think, that the team would pursue a veteran wideout -- and several will inevitably shake loose as teams trim rosters -- who actually could provide some insurance against Chad and/or TJ missing some early games.

If Henry can stay straight -- a massive "if" -- then the move may turn out to be a good one long-term. But short-term, it risks making the team weaker, not better. Maxwell, Simpson and Chatman all better be ready to answer the bell opening day.

[GregCook]

Did it hurt ML's reputation? Maybe.

Maybe my ass. Any NFL head coach worth his salt simply cannot take a stand as Marvin did less than a month ago, then turn around and totally reverse himself. Reputation basically gets shot to hell when your statements mean as much as one coming from a pre-schooler.

Ding.

The inmates are running the asylum again, and any sane folks left in the locker room are going to be looking for the quickest way out.

Chad Johnson spends the offseason indulging in assclownery...and ends up welcomed back with a promise to review his contract after the season! Marvin states time and time again that Henry is gone...and presto, here he is back. Oh, and our arguably best WR? Set to be a FA next season with no sign of talks on the horizon. This is exactly the kind of dysfunctional mess we saw all through the Nineties.

True enough. But THIS time around, we have a genuine QB. That masks a certain amount of stupidity. It at least keeps .500 in view in any given year...

Agreed. But that said, who is the QB going to throw to? If we accept the premise that Chad and TJ are in danger of missing time due to nagging injuries, then signing Henry was the exact wrong thing to do. Our two star WRs are most likely to miss time at the start of the season, when Henry will be unable to help because he's suspended. Moreover, his presence makes it less likely, I'd think, that the team would pursue a veteran wideout -- and several will inevitably shake loose as teams trim rosters -- who actually could provide some insurance against Chad and/or TJ missing some early games.

If Henry can stay straight -- a massive "if" -- then the move may turn out to be a good one long-term. But short-term, it risks making the team weaker, not better. Maxwell, Simpson and Chatman all better be ready to answer the bell opening day.

To me it shows panic.

He can practice for 2 weeks then on the shelf till October.

Henry hasn't played any ball in 8 months and can't be near football shape till mid season.

In short his foot ball contributions will be slight but he risks distracting the team yet again with his proven history of violence and low morals.

How long will it be before Caldwell, Simpson, Shirley or Simms start hanging with Chris? Before a car is stopped with CH and a few of the rookies drunk or stoned? Nice move Mike.

Then again, what if he hauls down a couple 50+ yarders against the Turds, Squealers or Ravens? Mike Brown turns into Fr. Flanigan. Wins the Nobel Peace Prize.

[duus]

Then again, what if he hauls down a couple 50+ yarders against the Turds, Squealers or Ravens? Mike Brown turns into Fr. Flanigan. Wins the Nobel Peace Prize.

Thanksgiving night 2008. Chris Henry grabs 3 TD passes for a Bengals national audience victory in Pittsburgh. Trust me ... something like that and the nation will have a very short memory as to how much a risk he was to put back on the roster.

[DesperateDerelict]

Thornton makes a fair point:

Indeed the decision-making process seemed to raise more questions from the media than the decision itself in asking if Lewis' locker-room authority had been undermined a month after he came out so forcefully against Henry.

"No, we all respect Marvin," Thornton said. "It's (Brown's) team. Jerry Jones wanted T.O. and Bill Parcells didn't want him in Dallas. The owner has the right. That happens all over the league. It's no different here than anywhere else. He hasn't lost his credibility with us. He's going to coach who's ever here."

"Everybody has a boss; we all answer to somebody," Houshmandzadeh said. "Marvin answers to Mike and we answer to Marvin."

Is anyone here old enough to remember the movie / book "The Caine Mutiny"?

The reason this is pertinent.....Mike Brown is so DESPERATE to be perceived as a smart football guy, he'll do ANYTHING to resurrect his flubbed draft choices and poor personnel decisions. He reminds me of Humphrey Bogart on the witness stand, rambling about past victories and exhibiting rampant paranoia.

...except Mikey is bald

...and he doesn't roll marbles (I think he lost his).