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3rd Round #2: Andre Caldwell


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Yea, I think the next pick, if it's not Choice, has to be an O-lineman. Or maybe another D-lineman for depth. Who knows?

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chad and TJ for that matter on his negotiations coming up.

Ok dont go that far. Theres no way we line up opening day with these 2 rookies starting for us. Somehow we need at least 1 of TJ and CJ back.

Im fine with letting Chad ruin his career by sitting out the next 3 years until he decides to honor his contract. Teach him a lesson and set a hard stance for any players who want to try this in the future. Not just on the bengals either, too many players are doing this and its ruining the league. So yeah, if Chad sits out all year id love marvin lewis for it.

I do think Caldwell and Simpson fit well together though if they both can live up to their potential.

Also forget about Justin King. I dont get the fascination with him, hes just a 40 time. No college production, just has the measurables and the talent. Nothing worth getting excited over, especially this early.

BTW why is anyone talking about him as a return man? He wasnt a very good one. If we wanted a kick returner we will need to address that later.

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The Sporting News magazine draft guide is an interesting read after the fact. It is published before a lot of the re-shuffling of thoughts goes on after the combine and what not.

At any rate, back then, it ranked Caldwell as its third receiver overall and a 1st round talent, fwiw. Compares him to Chris Chambers. A few of its notes about him:

Has the hands to reach out and catch off-target passes. Is tough, willing to catch passes in traffic. Runs sharp routes. Makes fast cuts and has the burst to seperate. Sets up defenders well, selling fakes. Is explosive, elusive and fast. Lacks the size and strength to break tackles; but does show the balance to run through arm tackles.
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I really like this pick...

If Simpson is the Henry "fill-in", then Caldwell is CJ "fill-in"...

I wonder what message this sends? Perhaps, "CJ, we're not putting up with your sorry act anymore. Look who we drafted so this team can move on from your drama."

If Sims shows up ready to go, then this draft is going to get high marks form me.

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I really like this pick...

If Simpson is the Henry "fill-in", then Caldwell is CJ "fill-in"...

I wonder what message this sends? Perhaps, "CJ, we're not putting up with your sorry act anymore. Look who we drafted so this team can move on from your drama."

If Sims shows up ready to go, then this draft is going to get high marks form me.

Lets say Chad had expressed his love of Cincy, Mike and Carson instead of his rant, would we have drafted even one WR at this point in the draft? Maybe one. They will always surround Carson with talent.

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If Simpson is the Henry "fill-in", then Caldwell is CJ "fill-in"...

Really? They need wideout help because of Chad's threats but long-term Caldwell looks like Houshmandzadeh insurance.

Maybe, but if you lined them both up to run the 40, Caldwell would finish his 40 and be working on another 20 by the time TJ finished the 40.

Ok, TJ isn't quite that slow. Caldwell is a burner that TJ couldn't be even with a 40 mph tailwind and running down hill. But TJ will probably at least have a claim to HOF consideration after another 5 years. I bet Chad won't, so speed ain't everything.

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If Simpson is the Henry "fill-in", then Caldwell is CJ "fill-in"...

Really? They need wideout help because of Chad's threats but long-term Caldwell looks like Houshmandzadeh insurance.

Huh?

So you project Caldwell to be in the TJ mold?

Are you trying to say that CJ is irreplaceable?

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This is a total crack head move.

I am not too high on Caldwell but there are so many good WR's better than him they could have picked latter in the draft.

I'll second that opinion, I dont like this pick very much. There are many other places of need that should have been addressed before another Wideout.

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I like this player, but again, I don't like the pick - needed more defense here, or a OL, or maybe even a RB

I keep hearing some of you talk about his return skills, but as far as I know, he is not a very good kick returner. I'd be quite happy to be wrong about this, as PR/KR is definitely one of our needs, and it would improve the value of this pick for me. Do any of you have any links to analysis showing his skills as a return man? And yes - I already know he is fast. Fast is good, obviously, but a return man needs more than just speed.

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This is a total crack head move.

I am not too high on Caldwell but there are so many good WR's better than him they could have picked latter in the draft.

I'll second that opinion, I dont like this pick very much. There are many other places of need that should have been addressed before another Wideout.

I disagree strongly. WR is a huge need this year. I'd put it second after DL. We just cut our No. 3 wideout, our No. 2 will likely be gone after this year (I don't see the Bengals ponying up big bucks for a 32-year-old wide receiver) and our No. 1 WR is threatening to spend the season making movies with George Clooney. And behind those guys, all we have are cast-offs and never-weres.

You can argue the specific picks, especially Simpson's, but we need receivers bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see another.

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This is a total crack head move.

I am not too high on Caldwell but there are so many good WR's better than him they could have picked latter in the draft.

I'll second that opinion, I dont like this pick very much. There are many other places of need that should have been addressed before another Wideout.

I disagree strongly. WR is a huge need this year. I'd put it second after DL. We just cut our No. 3 wideout, our No. 2 will likely be gone after this year (I don't see the Bengals ponying up big bucks for a 32-year-old wide receiver) and our No. 1 WR is threatening to spend the season making movies with George Clooney. And behind those guys, all we have are cast-offs and never-weres.

You can argue the specific picks, especially Simpson's, but we need receivers bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see another.

I'd agree with that. At the very least, worst case scenario - we might be without what were our three starting WRs just a couple of weeks ago come the beginning of next season. Much less costly in terms of trades etc to get a couple of promising WRs in to learn a few tricks for a year than overpay for mediocre WRs in FA or draft three rookies next draft and throw them straight into the starting line up. This is insurance/forward planning. Something that is encouraging. Better to do it now when they have the picks.

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This is a total crack head move.

I am not too high on Caldwell but there are so many good WR's better than him they could have picked latter in the draft.

I'll second that opinion, I dont like this pick very much. There are many other places of need that should have been addressed before another Wideout.

I disagree strongly. WR is a huge need this year. I'd put it second after DL. We just cut our No. 3 wideout, our No. 2 will likely be gone after this year (I don't see the Bengals ponying up big bucks for a 32-year-old wide receiver) and our No. 1 WR is threatening to spend the season making movies with George Clooney. And behind those guys, all we have are cast-offs and never-weres.

You can argue the specific picks, especially Simpson's, but we need receivers bad. I wouldn't be surprised to see another.

I'd agree with that. At the very least, worst case scenario - we might be without what were our three starting WRs just a couple of weeks ago come the beginning of next season. Much less costly in terms of trades etc to get a couple of promising WRs in to learn a few tricks for a year than overpay for mediocre WRs in FA or draft three rookies next draft and throw them straight into the starting line up. This is insurance/forward planning. Something that is encouraging. Better to do it now when they have the picks.

What good is Carson Palmer if he doesn't have someone to throw too? Picking two early WR's made sense to me.

Unfortunately the media darlings for WR looked kind of crappy to me just on the measurables. These two guys have great measurables, but what I don't know is how they play.

Hey off topic, wonder what is going thru Chad's PMS brain right now?

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From NFL.com: He gained 752 yards on 37 kickoff returns (20.3 avg). Also, he rushed 41 times for 293 yards (7.1 avg) and four scores.

I would imagine they didn't utilize his full return skills due to injuries, and simply wanting to reduce the chances of him getting hurt again? When he did return the ball, though, he was successful.

Regardless, it looks like the guy knows how to make things happen after he gets the ball.

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