Tim Krumrie stirring up trouble at USC Pro Day?

[BlainThePain]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/allthingst...ay-part-de.html

The other Pro Day eye-opener was a hand-to-hand combat drill where players engaged a former-NFL-player-turned-coach (pictured above). Carroll apparently wasn't happy with it and reportedly told the media, "That won't happen again here."

The drill definitely looked like the hardest of the day. Sedrick Ellis (chuckling at times) told LA Times reporter Gary Klein, "That was a sleeper. I didn't know that one was coming. You see it on film but you're never quite ready for that until it happens. That drill's a doozy, man."

[jjakq27]

Krumrie still looks like he could play. Wish we had someone with his intensity. It is also good to see our D-coordinator there as well.

For what it's worth, Justin Smith passed the Krumrie drill with flying colors back in 2001, vaulting him to the No. 4 pick held by the Bengals.

Nuff said.

[HoosierCat]

Oh, that Pete Carroll...what a card...

[kingwilly]

carroll is a spoiled baby who can barely coach. he is solely the front man for the team and relies TOTALLY on the coordnators to run the ship.

wah wah wah.

get over it.

[COB]

What exactly am I missing? What is Carroll's complaint with that drill? It looks like a legitimate drill for defensive linemen; a drill that develops a very specific skill for that position.

Also, that picture is undoubtedly a fake, as it shows a scout wearing Bengals gear watching the drill. We all know the Bengals employ like three scouts, they're all named Brown, and they all have 40-80 vision and never leave Hamilton County.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Oh, that Pete Carroll...what a card...

I found that pretty funny!

[Sandwedge]

What exactly am I missing? What is Carroll's complaint with that drill? It looks like a legitimate drill for defensive linemen; a drill that develops a very specific skill for that position.

Also, that picture is undoubtedly a fake, as it shows a scout wearing Bengals gear watching the drill. We all know the Bengals employ like three scouts, they're all named Brown, and they all have 40-80 vision and never leave Hamilton County.

You got me with what's wrong with the drill... I seen that guy also, isn't that our new DC?? The Zim man??

[HairOnFire]

What exactly am I missing? What is Carroll's complaint with that drill? It looks like a legitimate drill for defensive linemen; a drill that develops a very specific skill for that position.

Carroll isn't the first coach to complain about the drill, and if he's griping about the same things as others have it relates to the so-called "handfighting" drill not having a designated time limit. For example, when you watch lineman practice during the Senior Bowl the blocker is graded on his initial punch, hand position, and footwork. The defender is graded on his burst, ability to fight of a bockers hands, and his ability, or inability, to get past the blocker. But regardless of the results the "play" is blown dead immediately after one player establishes a clear advantage.

It's all wildly violent, but the combat is brief....just like real football. And most importantly, it's the type of drill that all teams practice, including high school squads. Furthermore, those same types of drills are often imitated during Prodays, but almost always without pads and only for the purpose of demonstrating technique.

By comparison, Krumrie's "handfighting" drills are sometimes criticized as being unrealsitic endurance tests that lose their value a few seconds after initial contact, but they go on and on and on. Plus, few college players have any experience doing anything like them because very few coaches, college or pro, use the drill.

[jjakq27]

Enquirer article from April 2001 about the famous drill and a young Justin Smith who was selected fourth overall by the Bengals.

http://bengals.enquirer.com/2001/04/22/ben...rumrie_put.html

What exactly am I missing? What is Carroll's complaint with that drill? It looks like a legitimate drill for defensive linemen; a drill that develops a very specific skill for that position.

Also, that picture is undoubtedly a fake, as it shows a scout wearing Bengals gear watching the drill. We all know the Bengals employ like three scouts, they're all named Brown, and they all have 40-80 vision and never leave Hamilton County.

And yes the guy in the picture is Mike Zimmer our new DC.

http://www.bengals.com/team/coach.asp?coach_id=19

[Kazkal]

Also, that picture is undoubtedly a fake, as it shows a scout wearing Bengals gear watching the drill. We all know the Bengals employ like three scouts, they're all named Brown, and they all have 40-80 vision and never leave Hamilton County.

Um That's our new Defensive coordinator.

[bengalsfansince68]

Also, that picture is undoubtedly a fake, as it shows a scout wearing Bengals gear watching the drill. We all know the Bengals employ like three scouts, they're all named Brown, and they all have 40-80 vision and never leave Hamilton County.

That's the way to be on top of it, COB.

I recognized Zim immediately and was damned glad to see him there.

[COB]

That's the way to be on top of it, COB.

I recognized Zim immediately and was damned glad to see him there.

I wouldn't know Mike Zimmer if I passed him on the street. I saw his picture when he got hired and that was it. Once I watch a couple games I'll recognize him.

That post wasn't meant to mock the Bengals' scouting staff, it was meant to mock a certain attitude I read wherein the Bengals seem to be so undermanned in scouting that we have no chance to win.

Rarely do I complain about the scouts, because I look at our latest wave of troubles as 1. Bad luck from injuries no one could foresee (Carter, Perry, Irons, Pollack, et al) and 2. Calculated risk taking that backfired (Henry, Thurman, et al).

Both groups are filled with draft picks who haven't lived up to their draft status. But none of them were due to scouting. They knew what each one was when they picked them.

I should probably start using the smiley faces available to us to indicate the tenor of what I'm posting. I rarely use them, probably take too much for granted when I'm blathering.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

That post wasn't meant to mock the Bengals' scouting staff, it was meant to mock a certain attitude I read wherein the Bengals seem to be so undermanned in scouting that we have no chance to win.

And ironically you provided humorous proof that confirms the validity of that attitude, since the about the only scouts we have are coaches. That's outside of the one scout, some part timers, and Browns that the Bengals employ. Can't expect Zimmer to be everywhere, can we - and one would expect that the places he does go indicates something about our draft plans.

Rarely do I complain about the scouts, because I look at our latest wave of troubles as 1. Bad luck from injuries no one could foresee (Carter, Perry, Irons, Pollack, et al) and 2. Calculated risk taking that backfired (Henry, Thurman, et al).

Injuries I don't complain about in terms of scouting, but most people outside the organization seem to believe that the Bengals take the risks because they don't scout, so the only way to get a leg up on other teams in terms of talent is to take a**holes that other teams have taken off their boards.

[HoosierCat]

That post wasn't meant to mock the Bengals' scouting staff, it was meant to mock a certain attitude I read wherein the Bengals seem to be so undermanned in scouting that we have no chance to win.

And ironically you provided humorous proof that confirms the validity of that attitude, since the about the only scouts we have are coaches. That's outside of the one scout, some part timers, and Browns that the Bengals employ. Can't expect Zimmer to be everywhere, can we - and one would expect that the places he does go indicates something about our draft plans.

Not to mention the fact that, if we had some scouts, Zimmer could be where he ought to be: in Cincy, with the veteran defenders, working on bringing them up to speed on his new D.

[COB]

And ironically you provided humorous proof that confirms the validity of that attitude, since the about the only scouts we have are coaches.

That is pretty funny. But I'd expect any team's DC to attend the pro day of a prospect they are considering trading up to get in the top ten. Too much of an investment not to have the top guy personally involved.

Can't expect Zimmer to be everywhere, can we - and one would expect that the places he does go indicates something about our draft plans.

I hope so.

I don't complain about in terms of scouting, but most people outside the organization seem to believe that the Bengals take the risks because they don't scout, so the only way to get a leg up on other teams in terms of talent is to take a**holes that other teams have taken off their boards.

If that whole sentence were in the past tense, I'd agree with it. Because my belief is that their risk taking days are over. I also don't believe it was because they didn't scout. I believe they just saw huge talent, undervalued due to off-field issues, in guys like Henry and Thurman. They took a calcualted risk believing the upside merited such a gamble. Mike Brown is just a risk taker. In business, he has taken huge risks and almost always won. The risks he has taken in drafting seem to have always blown up in his face. Human nature is capricous. It is one thing to evaluate market forces and economic conditions, tax laws, etc., then take a gamble in business. But to take that same philsophy and gamble on the citizenship of a 22 year-old kid who has shown, to that point, no maturity? I think we've all got our answer on that one in the last couple days.

[DesperateDerelict]

To Pete Carroll -

Seriously, coach, lighten up! What can you expect from an NFL coach who's weightlifting used anvils instead of barbells?

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

That is pretty funny. But I'd expect any team's DC to attend the pro day of a prospect they are considering trading up to get in the top ten. Too much of an investment not to have the top guy personally involved.

Except 1) I don't think the plan is to trade up (guessing based on mock and past history), and 2) he can't be everywhere. And no, you don't want other teams to be able to read us like a book by following our DC around.

If that whole sentence were in the past tense, I'd agree with it. Because my belief is that their risk taking days are over. I also don't believe it was because they didn't scout. I believe they just saw huge talent, undervalued due to off-field issues, in guys like Henry and Thurman.

If they had scouts, they'd be able to find that without the rap sheet. We shall see.

They took a calcualted risk believing the upside merited such a gamble. Mike Brown is just a risk taker. In business, he has taken huge risks and almost always won.

Yet on the field, he has almost always lost. I think the last 20 years have established that SOPSOP (Son of Paul's Standard Operating Procedure) doesn't work.

[sparky151]

There's video of Krumrie doing his hand drill with Ellis in the NFL network draft piece linked from the Bengals site.

http://www.bengals.com/media/

[Ickey44]

I don't understand what Carroll's upset about. All he was doing was putting his hands on him and the athlete just had to slap them away. What's the big deal?