A Line In The Sand Has Been Drawn

[akiliklingler]

A few observations before I get to my main point:

Jonathan Joseph is playing a lot better over the last 3 games - hopefully he keeps this up.

The D, for the most part, has been playing at least average (which is all we've ever asked for) for the last few games.

This wasn't a game like the ones against the Falcons & Bucs last year and Seahawks & Cards this year where we should have won and found a way to lose. The Steelers are a flat out better team than us and I was happy to see the Bengals keep it a game until the last few minutes.

Now to my point...

If you are STILL in the camp of "How can you say trade Chad?! Chad's one of the best players on our team/NFL!" Then you have some serious major malfunction - numbnut.

- Did you see the last offensive play?!!! No one around him on 4th down and he steps out of bounds 2 yards short of the

f*&$%ing marker!!! A total lack of focus and blatant exhibit of lack of heart, intelligence, focus, competiveness, and any

other term that carries any relevance in sports.

- Another big game, another my name's Ocho Stinko and I didn't do s*@t today.

- I'd like to know how many dropped balls 85 has this year, but unfortunately I can't count that high.

Trade that mother effer after this season for a 1st round draft pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been saying this for awhile, but now I don't even care if they get anything else but a 1st round draft pick. Now before you start giving excuses like some of the more ignorant Reds fans out there, let me make an analogy. For the past couple of years some Reds fans (including me) have wanted to trade Griffey and Dunn - whether we get full value or not. Other fans have countered that they're the two best players on the team (which they're not anymore) and that they're the only reason to see a game. The big thing that they refuse to see is that how many winning seasons have the Reds have with Griffey and Dunn leading them??? ZERO!!! What could be worse, finishing last in the NL Central instead of 2nd to last???

How many playoff games have the Bengals won in the 7 seasons with 85? ZERO!!! How many winning seasons have they had? One. What are we missing if we trade him? It's not like we went to the Superbowl with him, he had a bad game, and we want to trade him. We haven't done s#$t with him. Trade him for a 1st round pick, draft defense all the way, cross your fingers that the news of the past week has made Chris Henry a little more reflective, and watch the Bengals with a top 10 defense and at least an average offense get DEEP INTO THE PLAYOFFS.

P.S. Throw in Dexter Jackson when you trade Chad. Chad didn't single-handedly lose the game tonight, that was Dexter's responsibility. Missed an easy INT and made one of the dumbest plays I've seen in my life with that offsides at the end of the game. The guy can't cover, focus, tackle, keep his mouth shut, or spell A Hole if you gave him the A and the Hole.

[fazs2000]

I think wanting to trade Chad is a little extreme. He's obviously a great player, but he's very poorly coached (much like most of our team) and he's not very mature (which can also be attributed to the coaching). I agree that we should get rid of Dexter Jackson. The guy has never done much of anything for us, and he sets a horrible example for the rest of the defense, especially our young guys. Just look at how Madieu carried himself his first season, with calm, mature demeanor, and look at him now, the way he talks trash, starts shoving matches, and celebrates every big play like he just made a goal line tackle on 4th down. Dexter needs to go, but Chad should stay. 85 just needs someone to keep him grounded and focused.

[Kazkal]

Trade CHad = No

Cut Dexter because he's worth nothing = Yes

I wouldn't mind trading rudi at this point,Even if we get our line fixxed he'll still be avg rudi.

[ArmyBengal]

To tell you the truth, I don't think any player, minus Carson and maybe TJ, are out of the question when it comes to talking trades...

WHODEY !!!

[Horsemen]

I agree Army.

Cincy needs to can alot of them and rebuild from scratch pretty much. Disagree about trading Rudi though, not his fault all the time. The O needs to make some better openings for him.

[CJBestInAFC]

Yeah better openings for Rudi. How about the opening that was wide open hole when the Bengals tried running the ball on the Steelers 2 yard line and all Rudi does is run into the back of Bobby Williams and immediately falls down from little contact? Rudi sucks a lot, and if you want to keep defending Rudi that is fine, but he is a major problem with the offense, and the coaches keep thinking he is going to be better every week and he is not. Rudi is slow, and has a major problem at finding and hitting holes that are there. I didn't see Watson or Dorsey have any problems with finding and running through holes. This offense needs an explosive back instead of a slow back with poor vision, and I am tired of hearing the excuse of why Rudi is not having any success is because of the poor oline blocking. None of the other backs have a problem with oline blocking. It is time to get rid of Rudi, John Thornton, Brob, Dexter Jackson, and Bustin Smith. These players are holding the franchise back along with CJ's stupidity.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

What I want to know - why, all of a sudden, can Carson not hit a bear in the ass from 10 feet? He was awful last night. 4 takeaways plus an actual good game by the D and the offense gets 7 points on its own? WTF?

[HoosierCat]

What I want to know - why, all of a sudden, can Carson not hit a bear in the ass from 10 feet? He was awful last night. 4 takeaways plus an actual good game by the D and the offense gets 7 points on its own? WTF?

Ding. Carson was terrible last night. A good deal of it had to so with the usual suspects: the o-line (which had to deal with dings to Bobbie and Bluto) and the lack of a consistent run game.

[agreen_112]

A few observations before I get to my main point:

Jonathan Joseph is playing a lot better over the last 3 games - hopefully he keeps this up.

The D, for the most part, has been playing at least average (which is all we've ever asked for) for the last few games.

This wasn't a game like the ones against the Falcons & Bucs last year and Seahawks & Cards this year where we should have won and found a way to lose. The Steelers are a flat out better team than us and I was happy to see the Bengals keep it a game until the last few minutes.

Now to my point...

If you are STILL in the camp of "How can you say trade Chad?! Chad's one of the best players on our team/NFL!" Then you have some serious major malfunction - numbnut.

- Did you see the last offensive play?!!! No one around him on 4th down and he steps out of bounds 2 yards short of the

f*&$%ing marker!!! A total lack of focus and blatant exhibit of lack of heart, intelligence, focus, competiveness, and any

other term that carries any relevance in sports.

- Another big game, another my name's Ocho Stinko and I didn't do s*@t today.

- I'd like to know how many dropped balls 85 has this year, but unfortunately I can't count that high.

Trade that mother effer after this season for a 1st round draft pick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've been saying this for awhile, but now I don't even care if they get anything else but a 1st round draft pick. Now before you start giving excuses like some of the more ignorant Reds fans out there, let me make an analogy. For the past couple of years some Reds fans (including me) have wanted to trade Griffey and Dunn - whether we get full value or not. Other fans have countered that they're the two best players on the team (which they're not anymore) and that they're the only reason to see a game. The big thing that they refuse to see is that how many winning seasons have the Reds have with Griffey and Dunn leading them??? ZERO!!! What could be worse, finishing last in the NL Central instead of 2nd to last???

How many playoff games have the Bengals won in the 7 seasons with 85? ZERO!!! How many winning seasons have they had? One. What are we missing if we trade him? It's not like we went to the Superbowl with him, he had a bad game, and we want to trade him. We haven't done s#$t with him. Trade him for a 1st round pick, draft defense all the way, cross your fingers that the news of the past week has made Chris Henry a little more reflective, and watch the Bengals with a top 10 defense and at least an average offense get DEEP INTO THE PLAYOFFS.

P.S. Throw in Dexter Jackson when you trade Chad. Chad didn't single-handedly lose the game tonight, that was Dexter's responsibility. Missed an easy INT and made one of the dumbest plays I've seen in my life with that offsides at the end of the game. The guy can't cover, focus, tackle, keep his mouth shut, or spell A Hole if you gave him the A and the Hole.

Trade Dexter - Yes. Marv that's your boy, don't shake your head at him for jumping offsides. Your the guy who brought in an old washed up average Joe. Next time, think about signing a Free Agent that could actually make some plays and be an impact!

Trade Chad - NO. Your rant sounds like something my 8 year old nephew would say. The game was over, Chad's route had nothing to do with were he stepped out of bounds. Palmers off, he threw the ball. Don't get all caught up in what John Madden had to say about Chad's route. Madden doesn't know 2 s**ts about what he's talking about. Point Blank the game was over, the play was meaningless, get the f**k over it.

How many playoff games have we won with Chad??? I don't know, how many playoff games have we won with TJ Houshmandzadeh? How many playoff games have we won with Justin Smith? How many playoff games have we won with Big Willie? If you want Chad gone you might as well give it up dude, it ain't gonna happen!

[COB]

I didn't see Watson or Dorsey have any problems with finding and running through holes.

You got that right. Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey had six carries for 38 yards, but Rudi gets 14 carries for 34 yards. Rudi is a very average back at this point.

[agreen_112]

I didn't see Watson or Dorsey have any problems with finding and running through holes.

You got that right. Kenny Watson and DeDe Dorsey had six carries for 38 yards, but Rudi gets 14 carries for 34 yards. Rudi is a very average back at this point.

It was awesome to see the fans chant RUDI RUDI when Leon was on his way out the door and it was great to see you as his replacement but I think your time is over here in Cincy. The Bengals need speed. Irons and Watson with Dorsey will be fine. RB's are dime-a-dozen in the NFL, it's time to move on I'm affraid.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Ding. Carson was terrible last night. A good deal of it had to so with the usual suspects: the o-line (which had to deal with dings to Bobbie and Bluto) and the lack of a consistent run game.

Yeah, I can accept that - my problem was the throws where he wasn't hurried more than usual, but they still sailed 10 feet over an open receiver's head.

I think it's his mechanics. From what I saw, he's throwing off his back foot a lot and I think it's causing the ball to sail. Could be because he's gotten hit so much he doesn't feel comfortable stepping into the throw.

[Bengals1]

What I want to know - why, all of a sudden, can Carson not hit a bear in the ass from 10 feet? He was awful last night. 4 takeaways plus an actual good game by the D and the offense gets 7 points on its own? WTF?

Ding. Carson was terrible last night. A good deal of it had to so with the usual suspects: the o-line (which had to deal with dings to Bobbie and Bluto) and the lack of a consistent run game.

I'll go you one better. I think Carson's still feeling the effects of that horrible game he had against AZ. He was obviously afraid of being picked off again and threw high constantly to avoid a possible INT.

Only problem was, our guys couldn't catch his high passes either...

[jjakq27]

Trade CHad = No

Cut Dexter because he's worth nothing = Yes

I wouldn't mind trading rudi at this point,Even if we get our line fixxed he'll still be avg rudi.

You know what has hurt this team as much as injuries, is that the free agents of late have not panned out. Dexter Jackson, Sam Adams and Kendrick Allen (cut) really never made a difference.

Mike Myers was a decent pickup and Reggie Kelly, John Thornton and Brian Robinson are average at best.

[HairOnFire]

The game was over, Chad's route had nothing to do with were he stepped out of bounds. Palmers off, he threw the ball. Don't get all caught up in what John Madden had to say about Chad's route. Madden doesn't know 2 s**ts about what he's talking about. Point Blank the game was over, the play was meaningless, get the f**k over it.

The game was indeed all but over, and Chad wasn't ultimately responsible for the miserable outcome. That said, not being aware that it was 4th down is just one more example of Chad's head not being in the game, and sadly it's not all that uncommon. Earlier in the season he performed the opposite version of the same sin, spinning away from the sidelines when the Bengals desperately needed to stop the clock.

You guys can make excuses for his play by always pointing at the other things that have gone wrong, but it's become impossible to ignore how often Chad is in his own little world out there.

[BengalByTheBay]

The game was over, Chad's route had nothing to do with were he stepped out of bounds. Palmers off, he threw the ball. Don't get all caught up in what John Madden had to say about Chad's route. Madden doesn't know 2 s**ts about what he's talking about. Point Blank the game was over, the play was meaningless, get the f**k over it.

The game was indeed all but over, and Chad wasn't ultimately responsible for the miserable outcome. That said, not being aware that it was 4th down is just one more example of Chad's head not being in the game, and sadly it's not all that uncommon. Earlier in the season he performed the opposite version of the same sin, spinning away from the sidelines when the Bengals desperately needed to stop the clock.

You guys can make excuses for his play by always pointing at the other things that have gone wrong, but it's become impossible to ignore how often Chad is in his own little world out there.

Ridiculous -- it was another 4th and forever. How about Palmer missing throws on about 3 previous 4th and ballgames? Picking out that one play - when the Bengals were down 2 td's with less than 2 minutes - on a crappy field when Palmer hadn't hit a receiver in about a quarter is just pitiful. I don't think Chad didn't know the down or situation, I just don't think he could've made the 1st with 2 db's in front of him if he sprouted wings. He didn't even really step out of bounds, he couldn't have kept in bounds no matter what at that point becuase the throw drew him out.

I knew I could awake this morning to find somebody here who would try to blame this loss on Chad. The Bengals were in this game the whole way, but Carson was just simply, horribly inaccurate. In the past 3 games he's had 2 horrible games and 1 where he was on fire. Just like bad games from anybody else -- Chad included -- it happens. That said, to ignore just how bad Palmer was to try to locate a single play to blame something on Chad seems to be a bit ... wacko. Chad actually had a decent game. TJ had a drop, but he was also victimized by Carson's inaccuracy. No way you can look at this game and -- if it happens to be necessary for some reason -- put the blame on anybody but Carson Palmer. Hey, I'm a fan -- I don't really like Chad any better than TJ or Carson either -- but when Palmer stinks it up I gotta call it like I see it. Unless Chad and TJ sprouted to 7 feet tall -- the Bengals lose this game and blame falls at the feet of the QB.

[HairOnFire]

Ridiculous -- it was another 4th and forever.

Not relevant. When it's 4th and 17 to go you don't run a 14 yard pattern sideline out pattern....especially when the coverage does nothing to prevent you from running a longer pattern.

I don't think Chad didn't know the down or situation....

Bull. After the play he can clearly be seen waving his hands...questioning why the Bengal offense was leaving the field.

I just don't think he could've made the 1st with 2 db's in front of him if he sprouted wings.

Whether he makes it or not isn't really the issue. The point is he didn't do the most basic task...which is run a pattern of proper depth.

He didn't even really step out of bounds, he couldn't have kept in bounds no matter what at that point becuase the throw drew him out.

The throw was perfectly delivered and thrown when the WR makes his break, a rarity on that night. The problem stems from the route being to short in the first place.

That said, to ignore just how bad Palmer was to try to locate a single play to blame something on Chad seems to be a bit ... wacko.

I can't speak for everyone, but I stated Chad wasn't to blame for the loss in the very first sentence of my post. That said, it is what it is and I'd criticize any WR who demonstrated the same lack of game awareness that Chad was quilty of on that play. In fact, can you imagine what the reaction would be if Henry had broken off his route too short under the same circumstances? We'd be reading page after page of threads blasting Cheech for being stupid, lazy, etc.

This is no different....save for the fact that many of you have grown tired of people criticizing your favorite sacred cow.

No way you can look at this game and -- if it happens to be necessary for some reason -- put the blame on anybody but Carson Palmer.

I agree completely. Sadly, this season can be summed up in exactly the same way last seasons failed stretch drive was. Each week finds one of the Bengals best players failing utterly, only to redeeem themselves the next week, but still coming up short as the next star player in the rotation puts on a crown of goat horns.

[BengalByTheBay]

That said, to ignore just how bad Palmer was to try to locate a single play to blame something on Chad seems to be a bit ... wacko.

I can't speak for everyone, but I stated Chad wasn't to blame for the loss in the very first sentence of my post. That said, it is what it is and I'd criticize any WR who demonstrated the same lack of game awareness that Chad was quilty of on that play. In fact, can you imagine what the reaction would be if Henry had broken off his route too short under the same circumstances? We'd be reading page after page of threads blasting Cheech for being stupid, lazy, etc.

This is no different....save for the fact that many of you have grown tired of people criticizing your favorite sacred cow.

Not really directed at you so much as at the originating post. Running the route too shallow is a conceded fault as would have been the case no matter who might have run it. I disagree with you, though, that it would have been a significant point of criticism if it had been another receiver making the same mistake. As you have pointed out, because Chad draws attention to himself he gets extra attention when he makes a bad play. I don't think anybody would start a post about how Henry or TJ or Chatman should be traded because they rant too shallow a route on the last offensive play of the game.

My point is this was only a nominally bad play on a night of poor plays -- predominantly by players not named Chad Johnson. If you're making a list of bad plays of 1 through 10, in my mind CJ doesn't make the list and about 8 of them are bad throws. So, to go back to the originating post which consists of a rant about trading Chad Johnson fueled by this game -- I say wacko. In so doing, I simply don't have to take the position that he didn't make a poor play on the last play of the game. On balance, he had a decent night in which he spent most of his time jumping for, or chasing after, errant throws. Based just on this game alone, if you're going to start a thread about who to trade it would have to be Carson Palmer. Of course, I think that is equally wacko, but I'm not given to hysterical overreactions -- which are apparently the stock in trade of message boards because nobody has to live with the consequences of ill-considered ideas that have no chance of actually happening.

[HairOnFire]

Not really directed at you so much as at the originating post. Running the route too shallow is a conceded fault as would have been the case no matter who might have run it. I disagree with you, though, that it would have been a significant point of criticism if it had been another receiver making the same mistake.

I guess it depends on the receiver. If we're talking about a non-desript veteran or rookie making the same mistake then excuses will be offered for their inexperience. But we're talking about a veteran player who is no stranger to pro bowls and self promotion, and as a result I had no problem with Madden and Michaels calling Chad out.

As you have pointed out, because Chad draws attention to himself he gets extra attention when he makes a bad play.

As the man himself has been heard saying..."If you demand the spotlight you have to be prepared for the critics. Too true, Bill. Too true."

I don't think anybody would start a post about how Henry or TJ or Chatman should be traded because they rant too shallow a route on the last offensive play of the game.

Well, there's the rub because the "Trade Chad" rants weren't started after he ran too shallow a route. They were started earlier for other reasons, and repeated signs that he lacks game awareness are just one more piece

....but I'm not given to hysterical overreactions -- which are apparently the stock in trade of message boards because nobody has to live with the consequences of ill-considered ideas that have no chance of actually happening.

Oh, there are consequences. Trust me, those who take well deserved shots at sacred cows are likely to be targeted by doctor playing spinmeisters who don't appreciate the honesty.

[BengalByTheBay]

Not really directed at you so much as at the originating post. Running the route too shallow is a conceded fault as would have been the case no matter who might have run it. I disagree with you, though, that it would have been a significant point of criticism if it had been another receiver making the same mistake.

I guess it depends on the receiver. If we're talking about a non-desript veteran or rookie making the same mistake then excuses will be offered for their inexperience. But we're talking about a veteran player who is no stranger to pro bowls and self promotion, and as a result I had no problem with Madden and Michaels calling Chad out.

My comment wasn't directed at the tv commentary. In fact, I recorded it and hit FF between plays so I miss almost all of that. I'm certain I missed plenty of discussion about how Chris Henry was suspended and other garbage like that that is directed to an audience that knows little about the Bengals and, accordingly, appreciates topical and often dated information. I was disagreeing with your statement that:

"In fact, can you imagine what the reaction would be if Henry had broken off his route too short under the same circumstances? We'd be reading page after page of threads blasting Cheech for being stupid, lazy, etc. This is no different....save for the fact that many of you have grown tired of people criticizing your favorite sacred cow."

And I do happen to doubt anyone would have devoted 3 pages to a discussion of too shallow a route having been run by Chris Henry on the last offensive play of a game in its final 2 minutes and a 14-point deficit. I might be wrong about that, but I tend to think it would have been a pretty minor issue. Since it was Chad Johnson, however, and since innumerable pages have been devoted to every thing that Chad Johnson does that somebody doesn't like it does justify an oversized amount of attention as well as renewed "he must be traded" arguments. It justifies drawing "a line in the sand" in some people's minds...just not mine.

[BengalByTheBay]

....but I'm not given to hysterical overreactions -- which are apparently the stock in trade of message boards because nobody has to live with the consequences of ill-considered ideas that have no chance of actually happening.

Oh, there are consequences. Trust me, those who take well deserved shots at sacred cows are likely to be targeted by doctor playing spinmeisters who don't appreciate the honesty.

So, your anti-Chad jihad is just another example of your maverick spirit in refusing to be brainwashed to believe that Chad Johnson is really a great, albeit misunderstood, gentleman? While that idea has some appeal, I have to also note that you are a Mike Brown loving toady, carrying the water for the most overrated coach in Bengals history. I don't really believe that, of course, as I actually agree with you about most things. Just have to point out that it's purely a matter of opinion about who is a sacred cow and who is not. To some, your refusal to jump ship on Marvin could suggest that he is your sacred cow, no? Proving that nobody's truly objective when you're dealing with things that are inherently subjective in nature.

[membengal]

My sacred cow is probably Carson. We all have our favorites.

And he can't seem to stop wasting downs trying to pick up cheap offsides penalties.

[HairOnFire]

So, your anti-Chad jihad is just another example of your maverick spirit in refusing to be brainwashed to believe that Chad Johnson is really a great, albeit misunderstood, gentleman?

I wouldn't put it exactly that way, mostly because I don't believe Chad is misunderstood. In fact, I'd say most of us have realized for quite some time that he's a remarkably gifted but horribly selfish player who lacks maturity. Where we seem to disagree is our willingness to overlook his faults due to his rare talent. Most Bengal fans aren't willing to criticize Chad as strongly as deserved, and quite a few will attack those who do. And again, we're not having this standoff because Chad celebrated in a way that resulted in a 15-yard penalty or broke off a route too soon in a game that was all but lost. No, we've reached this point because Chad spent a month pouting and dropping TD passes in must win games.

I have to also note that you are a Mike Brown loving toady...

I firmly believe that Mike Brown is an uber conservative douchebag who could have, and probably should have, moved his team from Cincinnati when he had the chance. Sadly, he showed too much loyalty to a fanbase and city that has done nothing but ridicule him for most of his life, and as a result of his decision to stay absolutely everyone involved are now miserable douchebags.

To some, your refusal to jump ship on Marvin could suggest that he is your sacred cow, no?

Well, no. My support of Marvin has never been absolute and I've written at length of what could happen to make me "jump ship". In addition, my feelings for individual players changes from year to year. When a players performance level changes, or his salary increases beyond the point that can be justified...I immediately stop defending players I've loudly supported in the past. In fact you can read several examples of this in the current "What's your stance?/Stupidest thread ever?"

[BengalByTheBay]

So, your anti-Chad jihad is just another example of your maverick spirit in refusing to be brainwashed to believe that Chad Johnson is really a great, albeit misunderstood, gentleman?

I wouldn't put it exactly that way, mostly because I don't believe Chad is misunderstood. In fact, I'd say most of us have realized for quite some time that he's a remarkably gifted but horribly selfish player who lacks maturity. Where we seem to disagree is our willingness to overlook his faults due to his rare talent. Most Bengal fans aren't willing to criticize Chad as strongly as deserved, and quite a few will attack those who do. And again, we're not having this standoff because Chad celebrated in a way that resulted in a 15-yard penalty or broke off a route too soon in a game that was all but lost. No, we've reached this point because Chad spent a month pouting and dropping TD passes in must win games.

I have to also note that you are a Mike Brown loving toady...

I firmly believe that Mike Brown is an uber conservative douchebag who could have, and probably should have, moved his team from Cincinnati when he had the chance. Sadly, he showed too much loyalty to a fanbase and city that has done nothing but ridicule him for most of his life, and as a result of his decision to stay absolutely everyone involved are now miserable douchebags.

To some, your refusal to jump ship on Marvin could suggest that he is your sacred cow, no?

Well, no. My support of Marvin has never been absolute and I've written at length of what could happen to make me "jump ship". In addition, my feelings for individual players changes from year to year. When a players performance level changes, or his salary increases beyond the point that can be justified...I immediately stop defending players I've loudly supported in the past. In fact you can read several examples of this in the current "What's your stance?/Stupidest thread ever?"

So, I suppose you are the only one that is able to see things for exactly what they are and be completely correct in your assessments -- even with respect to things that are always a matter of opinion. If you have a fault, it is probably that you are sometimes too humble and gentle with those who lack your clarity of vision.

[HairOnFire]

So, I suppose you are the only one that is able to see things for exactly what they are and be completely correct in your assessments -- even with respect to things that are always a matter of opinion.

I'd put it this way. Many of you are a little bit right about many things, and some of you are mostly right about almost nothing. But only I see things exactly as I see them.

If you have a fault, it is probably that you are sometimes too humble and gentle with those who lack your clarity of vision.

Too true, Bill. Too true. In fact, I've never understood why some people find it so hard to get along with me. Truth be told, I'd love to talk to a guy like me.