jjakq27 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ken AndersonBoomer EsiasonIsaac CurtisKen Rileyhttp://www.nfl.com/halloffame/story;jsessi...mp;confirm=true Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ken Anderson -- Yes, a no-brainer, what have they been waiting for?Boomer Esiason -- noIsaac Curtis -- maybe...Ken Riley -- yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Ken Anderson - Absolutely! All you need to do is compare his #'s to HOF qbs.Boomer - I wish, but no.Curtis - I would say yes, but unfortunately he will be compared to today's wrs with the inflated #'s. His situation reminds me of Davey Concepcion. He will the best ss of his generation, but because of the A-Rods, Larkins & Jeter's of the world, he will not make it.Riley - Strong yes! Along with Kenny, he is getting the hose because he is a Bengal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Hopefully Kenny will finally get his due. Maybe the passing of Bill Walsh and his new employment with the Steelers will give him some badly needed attention.I also noticed that Dick LeBeau was not listed in the DBs. I never saw him play but I can't figure out how a guy that is 7th on the all time list isn't in the HOF yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Seeing at least Kenny get in would be HUGE for the Bengals organization. Here's to hoping people can finally pull their heads out of their asspiece !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Anderson and Riley are both no brainers.Curtis was an elite WR in his day, but his #'s are low for the present, he will probably never see the HOF. OTOH he does have as good or better #'s than some WR's already in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals1 Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Anderson not getting in has always puzzled me. If I recall his career stats compare very well if not exceed Dan Fouts and Fouts never even played in a Super Bowl!Yes, the fact that these people played in Cincy is the sole reason they're not in the HOF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Yes, the fact that these people played in Cincy is the sole reason they're not in the HOF. unfortunately I would have to agree... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 What are you people smoking? How does Anderson get in and Esiason not? Esiason had more yards and touchdowns than Anderson and both lost a Super Bowl. Esiason is top 12 to 14 all-time in attempts, yards, tds and completions. Anderson is top 22 to 28 all-time in the same categories. And don't give me Esiason played on better Bengals teams because, overall, both qb's played on good teams and not so good teams, not to mention Esiason's purgatory years with the awful Jets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted October 31, 2007 Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Anderson not getting in has always puzzled me. If I recall his career stats compare very well if not exceed Dan Fouts and Fouts never even played in a Super Bowl!Yes, the fact that these people played in Cincy is the sole reason they're not in the HOF. Not close to Fouts. Fouts was top ten all-time in attempts, completions, yards, and 12th in tds. Anderson doesn't rank higher than 22 in any of those categories. Fouts outguns Anderson by about 11,000 yards and 57 touchdowns. That's almost an entire Tim Couch difference. I loved Kenny, too, but some fans tend to overestimate how great his career was statistically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted October 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2007 Anderson and Riley are both no brainers.Curtis was an elite WR in his day, but his #'s are low for the present, he will probably never see the HOF. OTOH he does have as good or better #'s than some WR's already in.Curtis' numbers (416 recs, 7101 yds, 53 TDs) are better than Lynn Swann's (336 recs, 5462 yds, 51 TDs) for one. But the football HOF voters only seem to be concerned with Super Bowls instead of individual accomplishments as in baseball.And according to local lore, the Cover 2 defense was developed by the Steelers as a means of slowing him down. To me, someone that changed coaching strategy or revolutionized the position or how it was defended should in this case be a no-brainer also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Sorry dude. But you can't compare Boomer and Kenny by looking at stats. They played in different eras. Boomer came in and played in the era of guys like Marino, Elway, Montana, etc where the ball was thrown all over the field and guys were putting up huge passing yards and TDs. It wasn't like that back in the '70s. Kenny is a HOF caliber QB. Boomer was a good QB who had a really good stretch of about 3 years in Cincy between 1986 and 1990. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Kenny Anderson - Maybe. I'd love to see him get the nod, but he just doesn't have the statistics he needs to get in (and I don't think it makes any difference which "era" he played in). If he never makes it, I wouldn't complain.Boomer Esiason - He has a better shot than Kenny, IMO. His name is in the spotlight in the present with CBS. I don't think he should be a shoe-in at all though.Isaac Curtis - Same boat as Anderson.Ken Riley - Should have contended for a first ballot spot. He's the one Bengal that deserves the HOF beyond any measure of doubt. I can't believe he still isn't in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Kenny Anderson - Maybe. I'd love to see him get the nod, but he just doesn't have the statistics he needs to get in (and I don't think it makes any difference which "era" he played in). If he never makes it, I wouldn't complain.Wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengals44 Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Ken Anderson -- Yes, a no-brainer, what have they been waiting for?Boomer Esiason -- noIsaac Curtis -- maybe...Ken Riley -- yesExactly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Sorry dude. But you can't compare Boomer and Kenny by looking at stats. They played in different eras. Boomer came in and played in the era of guys like Marino, Elway, Montana, etc where the ball was thrown all over the field and guys were putting up huge passing yards and TDs. It wasn't like that back in the '70s. Kenny is a HOF caliber QB. Boomer was a good QB who had a really good stretch of about 3 years in Cincy between 1986 and 1990.Ok. You can't compare them by stats, according to you. You can't compare them by titles because neither won a Super Bowl. Let's look at a few other quarterbacks from Anderson's era. Fran Tarkenton played in the early sixties to late seventies. Not a passing era. Still top seven or better all time in attempts, completions, tds and yards. Roger Staubach--not as good of stats as Anderson, but career was shorter due to military service and won Super Bowls. Terry Bradshaw--five thousand fewer yards, but fifteen more tds and four titles. Jim Hart--more yards and touchdowns than Anderson, no HOF. Anderson doesn't have the stats or the titles. Name me one HOF quarterback that you think Anderson is better than, and I'll spot you Namath because I think he was the most overrated qb in history? Anderson was never a dominant or elite qb. What merits him getting in the HOF?Look at Esiason. More yards and tds than Steve Young. Young had good defenses and Jerry Rice, thus titles and HOF. Esiason had five thousand yards and eighty touchdowns over Troy Aikman, but Aikman had great teams surrounding him, thus titles and HOF. More yards and touchdowns than Jim Kelly. A mere 3,000 yards and thirty touchdowns behind the great Joe Montana. And I'm not necessarily even saying Esiason should be in. You have nothing but sentiment telling you Anderson was a better qb than Esiason. If you want to use the era argument, Esiason played in the era of Bruce Smith and L.T., when defensive linemen were bigger than Anderson's day and the linebackers were quicker and stronger. You can't differentiate the two enough to say either of them should be in as opposed to the other. Making a definitive statement like 'Kenny is a HOF caliber QB' is just you being a homer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I defy anyone that reads this thread to give me a convincing argument as to why Kenny Anderson is a 'no-brainer, what are they waiting for?' HOF QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Kenny Anderson - Maybe. I'd love to see him get the nod, but he just doesn't have the statistics he needs to get in (and I don't think it makes any difference which "era" he played in). If he never makes it, I wouldn't complain.Wrong.I know his stats compare favorably to other HOFers, but the same holds true for others whom have still been denied entry. Among them, I don't think Kenny is a shoe-in at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 http://bengalsjungle.com/anderson-hof-qb.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 http://bengalsjungle.com/anderson-hof-qb.htmlWell written...not convincing. On that logic every quarterback that is higher in those statistical categories should go in over Kenny, and given his all-time rating for tds, yards, atts and completions, that's over twenty quarterbacks, some not currently in the HOF, like Esiason.Nothing about Anderson jumps out that it's a travesty he's not in the Hall. If he makes the Hall, I'm happy for the guy. Was a big Anderson fan. But nothing justifies him going in and Boomer not, other than there's about two percent difference in their completion percentage and what, six points on the qb rating? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBenBlows Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 What are you people smoking? How does Anderson get in and Esiason not? Esiason had more yards and touchdowns than Anderson and both lost a Super Bowl. Esiason is top 12 to 14 all-time in attempts, yards, tds and completions. Anderson is top 22 to 28 all-time in the same categories. And don't give me Esiason played on better Bengals teams because, overall, both qb's played on good teams and not so good teams, not to mention Esiason's purgatory years with the awful Jets.I would also like to see Boomer in there someday, but I believe Kenny should get in there now. Also don't forget Boomer played for the Cards too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Also don't forget Boomer played for the Cards too.What!?! No way!! Hold up...I just checked NFL.com, and it's TRUE! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 3, 2007 Report Share Posted November 3, 2007 Also don't forget Boomer played for the Cards too.What!?! No way!! Hold up...I just checked NFL.com, and it's TRUE! I do stand corrected. I'm not sure how any of us could have forgetten that memorable run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted December 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Denied once again. No Bengals made the second round as a semi-finalist. A lot of 80's types that benefited from TV exposure of the time.QBKen Stabler. Gamer, made plays out of nothing. Brett Favre with a much weaker arm. Won one Super Bowl with great Raiders teams of the 70's. I think Anderson's numbers are better.CBLester Hayes. Great player but I always think of Stick-um when I think of him. Riley's numbers are better.Darrell Green. Game changer. Shut down corner that should make it just because of his longevity. Won several Super Bowls.WRArt Monk. Has great numbers but is overshadowed by some of the others of his era like Rice and Largent. Andre Reed. Good numbers but I never thought of him in the terms of Rice. Chris Berman/ESPN "Circle the wagons" mantra gave the Bills a persona that masks the fact that they never won in four tries. Isaac Curtis was every bit the receiver that Reed was in his day if not more.Cris Carter. One of the top receivers every year that he played. Should be there.I think Cris Carter, Darrell Green, Richard Dent, Ray Guy, Art Monk and Charles Haley should make it out of this group. http://www.profootballhof.com/enshrinement...p?story_id=2607 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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