Thanks Lance...

[ShulaSteakhouse]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

[skyline]

In my opinion, it misses the point entirely.

Who said they were happy with 8-8? Nobody here that I'm aware of. Nobody on the Bengals coaching staff or in the locker room either, I'm sure.

The real question is whether or not 8-8 is due to poor coaching or factors outside Marvin's control. Has he screwed up so badly that it's time to start looking for somebody new, or have there been enough things out of his control that we need to give him some more time?

I think the real answer, as is usually the case, lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

Lance is just mad that Marvin is being snippy with the media. I probably would be too if I were in Marvin's shoes.

[Bengals1]

"Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad."

Yep, pretty much nailed it on the head here.

[James_Brooks21]

In my opinion, it misses the point entirely.

Who said they were happy with 8-8? Nobody here that I'm aware of. Nobody on the Bengals coaching staff or in the locker room either, I'm sure.

The real question is whether or not 8-8 is due to poor coaching or factors outside Marvin's control. Has he screwed up so badly that it's time to start looking for somebody new, or have there been enough things out of his control that we need to give him some more time?

I think the real answer, as is usually the case, lies somewhere in between the two extremes.

Lance is just mad that Marvin is being snippy with the media. I probably would be too if I were in Marvin's shpes.

I don't think Lance is mad with Marvin being short with the media he's a fan just like the rest of us and is tired of the mediocrity of the Bengals. I don't see how Marvin is contributing wins to this team anybody can get the number of wins that he is getting with that offense, giving up 51 points to Cleveland flat out is unacceptable, losing to Cleveland is one thing but giving up that many points to Cleveland after you have been here five years is flat out terrible.

[Stripes]

Nobody is satisfied with .500.

I am sick and tired of seeing people be accused (including myself) of something so absurd for no reason other than supporting the coaching staff/front office in the midst of a mediocre season. Naysayers too often (but not always) refuse to look at the details, and instead choose to jam their fingers in Marvin/Mikey/Bres/Brat's face without applying proper thought.

In short, screw you Lance.

[damiancasey]

Completely agree with Lance.

I don't think anyone is being critical of Marvin - he is the Black Jesus as Willie Cunningham put it. I'm glad he's here but I also see the offense we're wasting and really want better than an 8-8 record!

If you don't raise the bar every day and continue to hold yourself to a higher standard you will never get better.

8-8 is better but it's not elite.

[HoosierCat]

Thanks Lance...for summing up my feelings on Marvin and this town

So...why are you here? And why do you live there?

If Marvin is such a loser, why not find a new team?

If Cincy is so full of idiot sports fans, why not more to Boston or Indy or Dallas or wherever you think there's a real sports team?

I mean, why hang out with us morons? Us enablers of 8-8? Is your life so empty you have nothing better to do than spend time on a message board with people you think are dolts?

[BengalszoneBilly]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

I'm with you Shula.

[HoosierCat]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

I'm with you Shula.

Hmmm. Well, then. I guess the real ? (as Spain might put it) is what am I doing here, then.

I've answered that before...worth pondering again, I suppose...

[bengalboomer7]

I'm not real sure fans feel that way. Anybody with an ounce of competiveness wants to win. But I look at a lot of our prbblems and inconsistencies and that goes back to coaching and I believe that if you pay close attention it will be very exposed Monday night.

[Stripes]

This entire concept makes no sense to me. Isn't Bengaldom currently drowning itself in a flood of negativity and inferiority? Who the hell is satisfied right now?

Giving Marvin the benefit of the doubt is not equivalent to being satisfied with mediocrity. That is such a ridiculous accusation in every way.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Ride 'em hard and put 'em away wet until they produce GOOD results consistently is my motto. Marvin and his staff has failed at this IMHO. That being said, there are a lot of games left to be played, and many players to be recovered from injuries and suspensions. The truth about the Bengals' leadership will be told in these games. If it comes out for the best for Cincinnati, I'll be all the happier for it. If not, I'll be going to the whip even faster.

My view is if I did my job as well as the Bengals staff did, I'd be standing in the unemployment line.

[Dadraftnick]

The fact is the Bengals have had ONE winning season in 17 years !

Think about it, when you have a record like that there are serious problems in the organization.

Marvin can only do so much, Carson can only do so much.

The team needs a GM and it needs to change the way it does alot of things.

There is also alot of difference in the way the Bengals are treated by the NFL ,mostly because its a small market team.

That includes pretty much everything from the way the games are officiated,the schedule,primetime games,handing out punishment ,ect.

[Kazkal]

In short, screw you Lance.

[Kazkal]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

I'm with you Shula.

Billy makes Baby jesus and me cry

[BengalszoneBilly]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

I'm with you Shula.

Billy makes Baby jesus and me cry

Cowboy up and get over it Kaz, ya' weenie.

[ONYX]

I think Lance is way off base and quite frankliy dead wrong for a number of reasons. Marvin

Lewis inherited one of the worst ran franchises in American sports history. He has turned a

decade of despair and embarrassment to championship expectations in less than 5 years.

That is proof right there of his worth. Also what Lance McCallister fails to point out, is that

there has been no other coach thats been effected by such catastrophic injuries and player

suspensions quite like Marvin Lewis. The 2005 draft class has vanished because of injuries

or stupidity. Sure 8-8 is nothing to write home about but considering all the adversity and

team history, that 8-8 doesn't look so bad when its all said and done.

Finally, this team isn't 1-6.....it's just 1-2. We have a long way to go before this season is

over. This time time last year the Bengals were 3-0 and seemed like a lock for a playoff

spot....but we all know how that turned out. I cannot believe how many people that are

calling for Lewis' head and we are not even in October yet.

Lance is a joke and I am confident Marvin will make all of his current detractors look really

silly come December.

By the way, Marvin Lewis is the Bengals all time best head coach when it comes to winning

percentage. Do you think you can find a coach who can do better here and co-exist with

the way Mike Brown does business?

I dont think so.

[Kazkal]

My view is if I did my job as well as the Bengals staff did, I'd be standing in the unemployment line.

"was layed off today and did his job" Sh3t Happens.

Cowboy up and get over it Kaz, ya' weenie. rolleyes.gif

Hey I'm not one giving up after 3 games, I'll least wait till the seasons over.

[BengalszoneBilly]

My view is if I did my job as well as the Bengals staff did, I'd be standing in the unemployment line.

"was layed off today and did his job" Sh3t Happens.

If you are speaking of yourself, then I am sorry about that, but a layoff is different than failing at doing your job.

Cowboy up and get over it Kaz, ya' weenie. rolleyes.gif

Hey I'm not one giving up after 3 games, I'll least wait till the seasons over.

If I was giving up, I wouldn't be riding their under performing asses. You just wouldn't see me posting anymore. Good luck on the latter. I'm a Marine. We aim even higher than the Air Force. FAILURE IS NOT AN EXCEPTABLE OPTION!

[BengalszoneBilly]

I think Lance is way off base and quite frankliy dead wrong for a number of reasons. Marvin Lewis inherited one of the worst ran franchises in American sports history. He has turned a decade of despair and embarrassment to championship expectations in less than 5 years.

Key word there is "expectations".

[Spor_tees]

I think Lance is way off base and quite frankliy dead wrong for a number of reasons. Marvin

Lewis inherited one of the worst ran franchises in American sports history. He has turned a

decade of despair and embarrassment to championship expectations in less than 5 years.

That is proof right there of his worth. Also what Lance McCallister fails to point out, is that

there has been no other coach thats been effected by such catastrophic injuries and player

suspensions quite like Marvin Lewis. The 2005 draft class has vanished because of injuries

or stupidity. Sure 8-8 is nothing to write home about but considering all the adversity and

team history, that 8-8 doesn't look so bad when its all said and done.

Finally, this team isn't 1-6.....it's just 1-2. We have a long way to go before this season is

over. This time time last year the Bengals were 3-0 and seemed like a lock for a playoff

spot....but we all know how that turned out. I cannot believe how many people that are

calling for Lewis' head and we are not even in October yet.

Lance is a joke and I am confident Marvin will make all of his current detractors look really

silly come December.

By the way, Marvin Lewis is the Bengals all time best head coach when it comes to winning

percentage. Do you think you can find a coach who can do better here and co-exist with

the way Mike Brown does business?

I dont think so.

How much do you really know about football and the NFL? I mean how long have you been watching games? Point being, the NFL is the ultimate league of parody. One year a team can go from having a 3-13 record to making the league championship game (Saints), yet the next year, a team that made the championship game can go without making the playoffs. The NFL gives teams so many tools in order to improve their team. There is the draft, there is compensatory draft picks, there is a supplemental draft, and lastly free agency. 5 years is a lifetime when it comes to the NFL. Look at the Bengal's roster and tell me how many players are on the team now that was there the year before Marvin got here. I guarantee it is less than 5! Despite all the changes that have been made, despite having an all-world offense that includes a top 3 QB, All-pro WR's, All-pro RB, and All-pro OT's, and having a defense full of top tier draft picks, Marvin hasn't been able to do more than give the city of Cincinnati one playoff loss. In what other NFL city would this be excepted, or even accepted? How many other NFL owners would sit back and accept this? Even Arizona only gave Dennis Green 3 years to try and turn around that horrible franchise. Marriucci was fired by San Fran after 5 years with a 60-43 record and making it into the second round of the playoffs in his final year! Wake up people, changing coaches doesn't doom a franchise into more years of sub par results. Sean Peyton took the Saints to the league championship last year. Mangini took the Jets to the playoffs his first year. Herm Edwards took the Chiefs to the playoffs in his first year there. With the attitude this team has seemed to be displaying at this point, maybe a coaching change will do them some good.

[damiancasey]

I think Lance is way off base and quite frankliy dead wrong for a number of reasons. Marvin

Lewis inherited one of the worst ran franchises in American sports history. He has turned a

decade of despair and embarrassment to championship expectations in less than 5 years.

That is proof right there of his worth. Also what Lance McCallister fails to point out, is that

there has been no other coach thats been effected by such catastrophic injuries and player

suspensions quite like Marvin Lewis. The 2005 draft class has vanished because of injuries

or stupidity. Sure 8-8 is nothing to write home about but considering all the adversity and

team history, that 8-8 doesn't look so bad when its all said and done.

Finally, this team isn't 1-6.....it's just 1-2. We have a long way to go before this season is

over. This time time last year the Bengals were 3-0 and seemed like a lock for a playoff

spot....but we all know how that turned out. I cannot believe how many people that are

calling for Lewis' head and we are not even in October yet.

Lance is a joke and I am confident Marvin will make all of his current detractors look really

silly come December.

By the way, Marvin Lewis is the Bengals all time best head coach when it comes to winning

percentage. Do you think you can find a coach who can do better here and co-exist with

the way Mike Brown does business?

I dont think so.

How much do you really know about football and the NFL? I mean how long have you been watching games? Point being, the NFL is the ultimate league of parody. One year a team can go from having a 3-13 record to making the league championship game (Saints), yet the next year, a team that made the championship game can go without making the playoffs. The NFL gives teams so many tools in order to improve their team. There is the draft, there is compensatory draft picks, there is a supplemental draft, and lastly free agency. 5 years is a lifetime when it comes to the NFL. Look at the Bengal's roster and tell me how many players are on the team now that was there the year before Marvin got here. I guarantee it is less than 5! Despite all the changes that have been made, despite having an all-world offense that includes a top 3 QB, All-pro WR's, All-pro RB, and All-pro OT's, and having a defense full of top tier draft picks, Marvin hasn't been able to do more than give the city of Cincinnati one playoff loss. In what other NFL city would this be excepted, or even accepted? How many other NFL owners would sit back and accept this? Even Arizona only gave Dennis Green 3 years to try and turn around that horrible franchise. Marriucci was fired by San Fran after 5 years with a 60-43 record and making it into the second round of the playoffs in his final year! Wake up people, changing coaches doesn't doom a franchise into more years of sub par results. Sean Peyton took the Saints to the league championship last year. Mangini took the Jets to the playoffs his first year. Herm Edwards took the Chiefs to the playoffs in his first year there. With the attitude this team has seemed to be displaying at this point, maybe a coaching change will do them some good.

Testify!!

[blueridge]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

You couldn't be more wrong. And that nitwit LM is a doughy, pasty-faced blowhard. Or a braying jackass. You can relate.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

When does it stop?

I keep hearing it....and I can't take it any more. What is the statute of limitations on giving Marvin credit for not going 3-13? When does credit for that turn to demand for more? This is year five. What does it say that the credit he gets is, not for playoff games and Super Bowls, but for not going 3-13?

Stop holding Marvin up to Coslet and LeBeau. It doesn't take much to be a step up from those two. Raise the bar. The goal is not to be better than 3-13. The goal is to make the playoffs.....win playoff games and win a Super Bowl. Who cares if 8-8 is better than 3-13? What does that get you? Stop the insanity. Are fans so afraid of the 90's that they will accept 8-8? That's sad. We need to start acting like an NFL town.......not a town simply happy to not be drafting in the Top 5. Otherwise you've become Mike Brown...happy with being good enough to keep your interest.

To the point, succinct, and very well said.

You couldn't be more wrong. And that nitwit LM is a doughy, pasty-faced blowhard. Or a braying jackass. You can relate.

And as usual blowhards like yourself have nothing to back up your statements with other than childish personal attacks.

[Stripes]

And as usual blowhards like yourself have nothing to back up your statements with other than childish personal attacks.

I'm still wondering who in the Bengals fanbase is satisfied with the current state of affairs? Who are you and Lance accusing of settling for less?