Perry (Chris) hopeful; Jones returns

[kenyon1977]

"The ball hit Perry on the numbers and broke some ribs, on his way down to the ground gravity sped his mass up enough and he shattered both collar bones, wrist, and ankle"

Dammit, did he score? That's all I want to know. I don't care that Perry was hurt again...because I'm used to that. All I want to know is did he finally score?

Don't leave me hanging, Danimal. I've been waiting YEARS for that guy to score a TD.

LOL His ass fumbled it at the one and it was returned for a TD by Mike Vrabel.

Skyler Green returns the ensuing kickoff for a TD propelling the Bengals to a victory,

Monday Night and Cincinnati will be a rockin'

[chrishcovga]

Somebody ask " In Marvin trust " Lewis and Mike the " Anti - Brown " Brown , why the Hell did we draft Chris " Ouuuweeey " Perry over Stephen Jackson in the first place ?????

Through those trades with Denver and St. Louis, the Bengals were able to draft Robert Geathers and Stacy Andrews. It wasn't all that horrible, IMO.

Wrong Again !!!!

Cincinnati already had two 4th round picks that year. We got the 3rd pick from trading down with the Rams from # 24 to # 26. In exchange for giving up the TOP RUNNING BACK IN THE DRAFT, We get an extra 4th rounder...??? Yeah that seems to be well worth it doesn't it.

Oh yeah TDB, the other 4th round selection that year was Mathias Askew.... so you wanna try that again TDB..???

[Stripes]

Somebody ask " In Marvin trust " Lewis and Mike the " Anti - Brown " Brown , why the Hell did we draft Chris " Ouuuweeey " Perry over Stephen Jackson in the first place ?????

Through those trades with Denver and St. Louis, the Bengals were able to draft Robert Geathers and Stacy Andrews. It wasn't all that horrible, IMO.

Wrong Again !!!!

Cincinnati already had two 4th round picks that year. We got the 3rd pick from trading down with the Rams from # 24 to # 26. In exchange for giving up the TOP RUNNING BACK IN THE DRAFT, We get an extra 4th rounder...??? Yeah that seems to be well worth it doesn't it.

Oh yeah TDB, the other 4th round selection that year was Mathias Askew.... so you wanna try that again TDB..???

Wrong "again"? When was the first?

I stated that through the draft-related trades with Denver and St. Louis, we ended up with the picks that netted Stacy Andrews and Robert Geathers. Care to explain how that is false?

Whether it was a good or bad decision I really don't give a damn. It was three years ago.

[bengalsfansince68]

Wrong Again !!!!

At the time, most all of us, I'm betting you included, were perfectly happy with Rudi as our stud RB.

At the time, few of us, I'm betting you included, had any real interest in Jackson as we had so many holes to fill.

At the time most of us, I'm betting you included, wanted a stud defender.

At the time, and currently (Irons), Marvin wanted a speed back to compliment Rudi and take some of the load.

At the time, no one knew that Jackson would be the stud that he has become or he would never have fallen to # 24.

Your hindsight is perfect yet none too impressive!

[jditty47]

perry is a great talent when healthy. irons is just a shade under perry thats why he was 2nd round. perry is sick when hes healthy. hope he stays healthy this time though...

[chrishcovga]

Wrong Again !!!!

At the time, most all of us, I'm betting you included, were perfectly happy with Rudi as our stud RB.

At the time, few of us, I'm betting you included, had any real interest in Jackson as we had so many holes to fill.

At the time most of us, I'm betting you included, wanted a stud defender.

At the time, and currently (Irons), Marvin wanted a speed back to compliment Rudi and take some of the load.

At the time, no one knew that Jackson would be the stud that he has become or he would never have fallen to # 24.

Your hindsight is perfect yet none too impressive!

The Great thing about Hindsight is that it isn't Hindsight if you WERE THERE AND YOU SAID IT LIKE I DID IN A LIVE CHATROOM HOSTED BY THIS WEBSITE !!!!!!

OH YEAH, AND THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 50 MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE TO CONFIRM WHAT I SAID. SO I appreciate your Johnny come lately comment.

Oh and for the TDB, It does matter when it comes to what we drafted 4 years ago, because the problems that we didn't solve then continue to be the problems we face now.

- Top players from that draft that we passed on to take Perry

1. Stephen Jackson

2. Chris Gamble

- The problem with the selection of Perry like I said 4 years ago, was that his overall value would be weighed with the selection of Stacey Andrews against Stephen Jackson.

** Ok so here's the problem, but you

DON'T PASS ON THE TOP RUNNING BACK IN THE DRAFT REGARDLESS OF HOW HE FALLS TO YOU , ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A NEED AT THE POSITION ( I.E. DILLON'S DEPARTURE ), AND THEN TAKE THE 3RD RANKED PLAYER AT THE SAME POSITION !!

- Here are the Pro's of the selection of Chris Perry,

- when he was healthy in '05 he was instrumental in the offenses' resurgence.

- Stacey Andrews has become a valuable backup, and after 4 years of developing him, he could start this year.

Stephen Jackson replaced sure fire Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk as the starting running back.

- He's accounted for an average of 1600 yards a year since he's became the starter.

- He catches about 50 passes a year.

- Next to Shaun Alexander, he's the NFC's top runningback.

- He's a 3 time Pro Bowler.

Now it would have been great to see Chris Perry put up 500 + yards a year as Rudi's compliment with another 400 yards in receiving yardage each year, but he can't stay on the field.

* Hell maybe he does it this year ( ),

- I personally wouldn't buy anything let's say like a T.V. and be happy when it finally works 4 years after I bought it.

- And everyone and their grandmother knows the only reason why we drafted Kenny Irons is because Chris Perry is hurt, again !!!!!!!!

But here's to '07

Who Dey Mutha'F***ers !!!!!

[TJJackson]

I'll confirm that I too was furious about the selection of Chris Perry, and years later, I remain angry about it three years later.

Don't get me wrong - I loved the trade-downs, but despite the value gained with (some of) those added picks, you still have to try to get the best value you can with every pick

My pick at that point was Karlos Dansby, who has turned out to be a better than average linebacker in Arizona.

In any case, a LOT of folks were upset with the Chris Perry pick from the very moment it was made. The fact that he has been injured for most of his career here has only made matters worse.

Few if any of us is as upset about the pick of Irons because

a) While every pick has value, he's a second round pick, not a first like Perry was.

and

many of us hoped this meant the end of Chris "Two Carry" Perry in Cincinnati

and

c) with Rudi and Kenny now each three years older, it's far more appropriate now to take a running back with a first day pick than it was back then

[HairOnFire]

My pick at that point was Karlos Dansby, who has turned out to be a better than average linebacker in Arizona.

Agreed. At the time I was posting on the now defunct Huddles board where the consensus loudly screamed that Dansby was far too raw and wasn't worthy of consideration as a late 1st round pick. I disagreed just as loudly. Most of the draft love was overwhelmingly reserved for Chris Gamble, a player I didn't want under any circumstance and one who has done nothing to make me 2nd guess my first impressions. In fact, it's fair to say that a healthy Chris Gamble is well on his way towards busting just as hard as an always injured Chris Perry. Steven Jackson was considered by most fans to be a rather obvious stud, but only seriously considered as a potential Bengal draft choice by those who were dissatisfied with Rudi Johnson. I have no hesitation in admitting that I wasn't included in that group, then or now.

As for Dansby, he's been better than most predicted but probably isn't good enough for either of us to crow about. In fact, if Chris Perry was capable of playing the role the Bengals intended the entire second guessing argument would have died long ago. But with each game missed it only becomes stronger and stronger and stronger.

[HoosierCat]

Frankly, the whole 2004 first round was, on balance, cucking frappy...

http://www.drafthistory.com/years/2004.html

Of the top 3, only Larry Fitzgerald has come close to working out. Eli is still borderline and Robert Gallery has been a bust in Oakland. Moving on down the list, the f**king soldier hasnt done anything but shoot himself in the foot in Cleveland, Roy Williams is playing in the CFL or Arena League or something, and so on and so forth. Down around Perry's spot is Ahmad Carrol; I just read someplace the Pack's about to give up on him.

Not that there weren't some bright spots, like Big Ben and Rivers. In hindsight, had the Bengals just held onto their original pick, their best move would have been to take a stud DT like Wilfork or Tubbs. But overall I think the Bengals are far from alone in wishing they could just forget the first round of this draft.

[Stripes]

I believe the Packers already did give up on Carrol... He went to Jacksonville and sucked there too.

[HoosierCat]

I believe the Packers already did give up on Carrol... He went to Jacksonville and sucked there too.

Oh, then maybe it was Jax giving up on him I saw...

[HairOnFire]

Frankly, the whole 2004 first round was, on balance, cucking frappy...

I'd say all 7 rounds of that draft were as weak as any I can remember.

BTW, tweaking the 2nd guessing the Chris Perry rant just a little, how about the Bengals passing on RB Michael Turner in the 5th round in favor of WR/KR Maurice Mann?

[HoosierCat]

BTW, tweaking the 2nd guessing the Chris Perry rant just a little, how about the Bengals passing on RB Michael Turner in the 5th round in favor of WR/KR Maurice Mann?

No doubt. Of course the bengals weren't the only ones who passed him by multiple times...

Back on topic, Hobson tosses this little nugget out per Levi today:

Left tackle Levi Jones (knee) went through his third straight practice Friday, backing up what he said Thursday when he said he's become comfortable with whatever pain he is having. He did say after Thursday's practice that he's getting used to wearing braces on both knees because he thinks he'll have to do it this season.

"I never wore braces on both. I may have to and it's important to get used to it now," Jones said. "It hasn't hindered me at all as far as jumping and running, but it's a hassle just walking around."

That he looks to be getting back is good...but double knee braces and "becoming comfortable with pain" aren't the kind of things that I like hearing.

[Jet23]

Wrong Again !!!!

At the time, most all of us, I'm betting you included, were perfectly happy with Rudi as our stud RB.

At the time, few of us, I'm betting you included, had any real interest in Jackson as we had so many holes to fill.

At the time most of us, I'm betting you included, wanted a stud defender.

At the time, and currently (Irons), Marvin wanted a speed back to compliment Rudi and take some of the load.

At the time, no one knew that Jackson would be the stud that he has become or he would never have fallen to # 24.

Your hindsight is perfect yet none too impressive!

The Great thing about Hindsight is that it isn't Hindsight if you WERE THERE AND YOU SAID IT LIKE I DID IN A LIVE CHATROOM HOSTED BY THIS WEBSITE !!!!!!

OH YEAH, AND THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 50 MEMBERS THAT WERE THERE TO CONFIRM WHAT I SAID. SO I appreciate your Johnny come lately comment.

Oh and for the TDB, It does matter when it comes to what we drafted 4 years ago, because the problems that we didn't solve then continue to be the problems we face now.

- Top players from that draft that we passed on to take Perry

1. Stephen Jackson

2. Chris Gamble

- The problem with the selection of Perry like I said 4 years ago, was that his overall value would be weighed with the selection of Stacey Andrews against Stephen Jackson.

** Ok so here's the problem, but you

DON'T PASS ON THE TOP RUNNING BACK IN THE DRAFT REGARDLESS OF HOW HE FALLS TO YOU , ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE A NEED AT THE POSITION ( I.E. DILLON'S DEPARTURE ), AND THEN TAKE THE 3RD RANKED PLAYER AT THE SAME POSITION !!

- Here are the Pro's of the selection of Chris Perry,

- when he was healthy in '05 he was instrumental in the offenses' resurgence.

- Stacey Andrews has become a valuable backup, and after 4 years of developing him, he could start this year.

Stephen Jackson replaced sure fire Hall of Famer Marshall Faulk as the starting running back.

- He's accounted for an average of 1600 yards a year since he's became the starter.

- He catches about 50 passes a year.

- Next to Shaun Alexander, he's the NFC's top runningback.

- He's a 3 time Pro Bowler.

Now it would have been great to see Chris Perry put up 500 + yards a year as Rudi's compliment with another 400 yards in receiving yardage each year, but he can't stay on the field.

* Hell maybe he does it this year ( ),

- I personally wouldn't buy anything let's say like a T.V. and be happy when it finally works 4 years after I bought it.

- And everyone and their grandmother knows the only reason why we drafted Kenny Irons is because Chris Perry is hurt, again !!!!!!!!

But here's to '07

Who Dey Mutha'F***ers !!!!!

Damn, do you want a FREAKING cookie already! Perry was drafted as a 'change of pace' for Rudi. Who the he!! knew he would be constantly injured. Had the Bengals drafted Jackson, I'm sure the crack medical staff would have found a way to keep him on the sidelines.

Jim Anderson did, in fact, have Perry listed as the #1 back on the board. Too bad he didn't have his handy crystal ball.

[TJJackson]

My pick at that point was Karlos Dansby, who has turned out to be a better than average linebacker in Arizona.

Agreed.

Be still my beating heart

Honey...whats the matter? you just.....agreed.....with me.

Are you becoming agreeable? :-)

As for Dansby, he's been better than most predicted but probably isn't good enough for either of us to crow about.

Actually, I consider a late first round pick (like 24) a success if you get an above average starter out of it, so Dansby's career in Arizona has been enough (for me, at least) to "crow about". Especially when you consider the difference in production between that pick and our actual pick....the Glass Runningback himself. Even moreso when you consider that you probably would not have Caleb Miller on the team....doubtful they'd have picked 3 linebackers.....consider that the player in this alternate scenario in place of Caleb might well have been TE Chris Cooley or QB Matt Schaub

[hrod382]

I've gotta say I was for the Perry pick, if he had remained healthy I would still be happy with it but that obviously hasn't been the case. I honestly felt him and Jackson were a toss-up so I wasn't concerned about trading back. Both were beasts in college that weren't prone to injury so it worked for me. Also who was to say Rudi was going to have another great season and that we could re-sign him the following year in FA. The only player I wanted more was Gamble but really he hasn't been anything special.

Either way it would be a huge add for him to be healthy this year, IMO he adds as big of a threat to the offense as Henry does and if he could somehow manage to stay healthy through the year Perry/Henry along with everyone else would in my eyes give us easily the best offense.

[Kazkal]

Damn, do you want a FREAKING cookie already! Perry was drafted as a 'change of pace' for Rudi. Who the he!! knew he would be constantly injured. Had the Bengals drafted Jackson, I'm sure the crack medical staff would have found a way to keep him on the sidelines.

Actually he was supposed be more then a change of pace RB,He was also insurance if we weren't able to resign rudi.