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In the "good news" department, Detroit is beating Cleveburg 23-0. So it looks like we won't be the suckiest team in the AFCN tonight...

Hey, as bad the team has looked, they are only one score away from taking the lead! This would be what you call an UGLY win.

If we win it's an "our scrubs beat their scrubs" victory. Yay.

Bottom line for me is this: after 2 weeks we know exactly this -- we are, right now, better than Detroit and worse than New Orleans. I guess thats something but it isn't anything I think you can brag about.

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In the "good news" department, Detroit is beating Cleveburg 23-0. So it looks like we won't be the suckiest team in the AFCN tonight...

Hey, as bad the team has looked, they are only one score away from taking the lead! This would be what you call an UGLY win.

If we win it's an "our scrubs beat their scrubs" victory. Yay.

Bottom line for me is this: after 2 weeks we know exactly this -- we are, right now, better than Detroit and worse than New Orleans. I guess thats something but it isn't anything I think you can brag about.

That's something that's going to keep me up nights worrying actually.

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I like the sportees quote addition to your sig there, billy. :sure:

Yeah, I thought it was classic. I change my sig as often as my underwear sometimes. Avatars too. I get bored looking at the same s**t all the time. Of course that usually gets me in hot water with the little woman... :P

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Bottom line for me is this: after 2 weeks we know exactly this -- we are, right now, better than Detroit and worse than New Orleans. I guess thats something but it isn't anything I think you can brag about.

I'll have to disagee just because Saints beat us for 2 "SERIES" not even qrts doesn't mean their better then us,Just means were not playing full football games....Was Carson plays a full game it will be a different story

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In the "good news" department, Detroit is beating Cleveburg 23-0. So it looks like we won't be the suckiest team in the AFCN tonight...

Hey, as bad the team has looked, they are only one score away from taking the lead! This would be what you call an UGLY win.

If we win it's an "our scrubs beat their scrubs" victory. Yay.

Bottom line for me is this: after 2 weeks we know exactly this -- we are, right now, better than Detroit and worse than New Orleans. I guess thats something but it isn't anything I think you can brag about.

I guess Hoosier that you read more into 3 pre-season drives than I do. If we base opinions on the pre-season, we should be led to believe that the Packers have a legitimate claim on a Super Bowl spot, considering the whooping they are laying on the Seahawks.

Or maybe I'm not willing to say anything about the pre-season other than this: the games don't count yet. Given that the 3rd pre-season game is the most important, I'd like to see an actual TD from the starters against Atlanta- but I'll bet good money that the Bengals offense looks a lot better against the Ravens than it did tonight.

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I guess Hoosier that you read more into 3 pre-season drives than I do.

Maybe...but I see better than I hear, y'know? And right now I haven't seen much of anything. But don't take my word for it, listen to Hobs...

Carson Palmer didn't bring his A Game to Saturday night's preseason opener at Paul Brown Stadium, or even B and C.

And head coach Marvin Lewis gave him every chance to find it because he had him out there for four series and played him into the early second quarter.

But he left trailing, 17-3, after overthrowing wide receiver Tab Perry for one touchdown and fumbling the ball away on a sack to set up a Saints' touchdown.

Even after Palmer left, the rest of the offense couldn't finish anything off and trailed at the end of the first half, 17-12, because they couldn't score a touchdown despite three red-zone forays.

Lewis clearly wasn't pleased with anything, not just Palmer.

"It was a poor half of execution on our part," Lewis said at half time. "It started with the first series on each side. We had second-and-one and didn't make it, and they had second-and-nine did. Both our groups had the advantage, but we didn't convert in either case."

It wasn't a great night for Palmer's search for a third receiver, either. Backup quarterback Doug Johnson steered the Bengals 51 yards in a two-minute drill at the end of the half, but after Perry couldn't get his hands on a pass on the sideline, wide receiver Bennie Brazell dropped a touchdown pass on the back line of the end zone when he let it bounce off his chest and shoulder pads.

So Shayne Graham had to be called on again as he has too many times this preseason. His 32-yarder with three seconds left was his fourth of the game and eighth of the preseason.

Johnson found a friend in rookie free agent tight end Daniel Coats when he hooked up with him three times in the drive and they might have had a touchdown on the fourth attempt if Johnson didn't let linebacker Dhani Jones get a hand on a pass over the middle. Coats was wide open, but couldn't corral the deflection at his feet.

The usually impeccable Palmer finished five of 11 for 41 yards and after a seamless outing in Detroit last week, the first offense could only manage Graham's 51-yard field goal.

Facing a third-and-three from his own 38, Palmer held on to the ball when his first options didn't materialize and that gave defensive end Charles Grant time to plow into him. It appeared Palmer tried to get rid of it, but the ball popped out of his grasp and defensive tackle Antwan Lake recovered it at the Cincinnati 22.

It took the Saints just four plays to score and it was stunningly easy when running back Reggie Bush walked in up the middle from six yards out with little resistance from the first defense. That gave them a 17-3 lead early in the second quarter.

The first offensive line working for backup running back Kenny Watson didn't offer much help when they had two red-zone opportunities courtesy of two fumble recoveries and could only come up with two Graham field goals. Trailing 17-6, the Bengals had a great chance to eat into the lead when linebacker Eric Henderson blitzed up the middle and knocked the ball out of the hands of Saints backup quarterback Jamie Martin and linebacker Caleb Miller lugged it a couple of yards to the Saints 3.

But Watson tried to find some room up the middle and to the left and got blown up for a four-yard loss on first down with Grant making another play. When Johnson couldn't communicate with Perry on a third-down pass over the middle, Graham came to the rescue again from 25.

Earlier in the quarter, the Bengals smelled out a reverse to Cooper and after defensive end Justin Smith poked the ball out on a four-yard run, defensive tackle Domata Peko recovered at the Saints 33.

But Watson, who had 18 yards on eight carries, got no room behind that first line and when he was stuffed on third-and-one from the Saints 15 it was Graham on again from.

Graham chased the demons of Detroit a littlie farther away when he nailed that 51-yard field goal to put the Bengals on the board in a game they trailed the Saints, 10-3, late in the first quarter.

But the Bengals missed a golden chance to tie the game at 7 when Palmer Perry wide open for a 37-yard touchdown pass but he overthrew him on a poster pattern.

Palmer did engineer the 13-play scoring drive that included a nifty 15-yard sideline conversion to wide receiver Chad Johnson on third down.

But later in the drive Johnson committed his second illegal procedure penalty of the preseason and that helped snag the drive.

Early in the drive Palmer had Perry slightly open on a go pattern down the right sideline, but he slightly underthrew it and cornerback Mike McKenzie got a hand on it.

The Bengals' first defense looked helpless at the feet of Saints Pro Bowl quarterback Drew Brees when he completed six of his first six passes for 55 yards and steered New Orleans to a 7-0 lead with 8:46 left in the first quarter.

Running back Deuce McAlister capped the 10-play drive on a eight-yard touchdown run in which he followed fullback Mike Karney's erasure block of middle linebacker Ahmad Brooks.

The Bengals' special teams faltered after Graham's field goal and allowed a 47-yard kick return by Lance Moore that translated into Olindo Mare's 48-yard field goal with 1:22 left in the first quarter.

Brees only worked that one series, but backup Jamie Martin kept throwing short routes to his right side and cornerback Deltha O'Neal limped off after a 14-yard completion to wide receiver Terrance Copper, but he came back on for the next snap.

The Bengals' defensive backups played well early in the third quarter, buoyed by a series defensive end Jonathan Fanene made a stop at the line and then followed it by tipping pass.

But the offense still couldn't get out of its own way. Johnson failed to handle a shotgun snap to kill one drive and tight end Nate Lawrie had another one of those pre-snap penalties Lewis hates (false start) to kill another.

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