More Trouble for Odell?

[HairOnFire]

And why did odell have to return to the house? didnt he just beat the crap out of everyone? Why come back...unless they did something to him like pull a gun or jumped him or something.

If the extortion attempt is true don't you have to question every detail leaked in the original rumor? Why pick and choose what seems plausible or unlikely?

[J24]

Seems more and more like BS,hopefully you won't miss time because of these dickheads Odell.

THURMAN CHARGES A MONEY GRAB?

A league source tells us that the pool of persons who were allegedly roughed up over the weekend in Georgia by Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman has grown to four -- and that they are willing to drop all charges and put the matter behind them.

In exchange for a payment in the amount of $250,000. Each.

Per the source, the Thurman camp politely (or otherwise) declined. The quartet then threatened to take the thing to the media, to which the Thuman camp responded by providing the phone number to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

Indeed, the charges already have hit the press. Thus, the threat to go public is, at this point, sort of meaningless.

Due to the fact that the alleged victims waited until the next day to call the cops, a hearing will be held on Friday to determine whether an arrest warrant will be issued for Thurman.

Thurman is currently serving a one-year suspension for violations of the NFL's substance-abuse policy. He could face separate discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy based on the outcome of the situation in Georgia.

Where did you get that from.

[The PatternMaster]

And why did odell have to return to the house? didnt he just beat the crap out of everyone? Why come back...unless they did something to him like pull a gun or jumped him or something.

If the extortion attempt is true don't you have to question every detail leaked in the original rumor? Why pick and choose what seems plausible or unlikely?

Excatly, the extortion attempt shows who the real victims and who the real criminals are, I hope at the authorities in Monticello investigate these alleged "victims" for there extortion attempt.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Instead of responding to the continued lack of character and judgement on Odell's part, most of the board seems to be more concerned with finding ways to put holes in the alleged victim's stories.

I think you can trust that Goodell's and/or the Bengals' decision to keep him around won't be based solely on the legal outcome of the case.

If Marvin and/or whomever learn that he indeed was there, assaulted people after hitting on someone's girlfriend at 3am, at a party, there's a significant chance the Bengals' might just say "see ya" before training camp, if he's reinstated.

And really, I don't even care to have this moron on the team anymore. He's not the kind of idiot I choose to spend money on or cheer for - same with Nicholson.

I would applaud Marvin and/or Brown simply cutting him and moving on, as soon as they get the chance. Enough already.

[HoosierCat]

I agree, you don't understand it. Pacman wan't convicted 10 times. The charges or investigations were dropped each and every time.

No, they weren't.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2790090

[oldschooler]

Complaint against Thurman withdrawn

BY MARK CURNUTTE | MCURNUTTE@ENQUIRER.COM

A pre-warrant hearing application involving Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman scheduled for Friday morning has been canceled.

The two Monticello, Ga., men who made the complaint against Thurman withdrew it late today, David Martin, Thurman’s lawyer, told The Enquirer.

“It’s unfortunate it got to this point,” Martin said.

Asked if Thurman were relieved, Martin said, “Of course.”

No criminal charges were ever filed.

Thurman was scheduled to appear at 11 a.m. in Jasper County, Ga., Magistrate Court.

Two men alleged in the complaint that Thurman had committed acts of criminal trespass, aggravated assault and pointing a gun in the early-morning hours Sunday at a house party in Monticello.

Thurman, under suspension for one season by the NFL for three violations of its substance-abuse policy, is a Monticello native. Monticello is the government seat of Jasper County.

Safara Lawson, Thurman’s Atlanta-based agent, told The Enquirer that the linebacker already has applied for reinstatement and expects to hear from NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell in July.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...PT02/306070049/

[HoosierCat]

Well, that's that. Another day, another bogus accusation against Henry. I mean Thurman. I mean...well, y'know what I mean.

Roger will sleep well tonight.

[derekshank]

Well, that's that. Another day, another bogus accusation against Henry. I mean Thurman. I mean...well, y'know what I mean.

Roger will sleep well tonight.

Good news... I guess. I still have my hesitations about bringing Odell back into the lockerroom. Henry appears to be doing so well. I'd hate for him to be dragged back into stupidity by a teammate. But who knows. Maybe they'll both get it together and we'll all live happily ever after.

[Sandwedge]

I don't feel comfortable with Odell's career being thrown away because of an internet rumor.

No one is suggesting that it will be. However, if that internet rumor turns into an arrest warrant in a couple days, it's a whole new ball game. OTOH, if the hearing concludes there's nothing to the accusations, then it will all just go away.

Please see post #63, 64, 74, 75, & 78.

Some poeple already have the noose ready(emm. Shula) and Sandwedge thinks Odell will kill himself in the near future. Obviously some people are forming their own conculusions based off an internet rumor.

Thank you

What internet rumor??? It's alittle beyond rumor I'd think it's actually a fact , Odell was attending a party and it got out of hand... I've seen it before...l If he doesn't straighten his act up and figure out what is important to him... He's headed down a path of self destruction, which CAN and often does lead to suicide.... I don't wish for Odell to kill himself, I never meant that.... He's just not to friggin bright to begin with and he hasn't had anyone to lean on to help him it seems....

[Sandwedge]

There is no way the commish will discipline odell over this an in effect provide a precedent to all the money grabbing weenies who will try to cash in on future extortion attempts by trying to start fight with nfl players. Maybe a fight did happen but, come on who hasnt gotten in a fight. And as for the guns.....please someone pulls a gun and im dialing 911. They didnt so it didnt happen or atleast not as they claim and no DA will touch it when the alledged victim has unclean hands.

I know this whole situation is total bs, but Georgia is the same state has locked up a few talented football players for years on evidence that was weak at best.

Genarlow Wilson is currently incarcerated after a 17 year old girl claimed he and his friends raped her, they were at a hotel party and the incident was video taped. The video tape cleared Wilson of rape charges but since he was also video taped receiving oral sex from a 15 year old, he was sentenced to 10 years mandatory in prison. Wilson was only 17 at the time and he was an all state football player and honors student at his high school, because Wilson wouldn't take the plea bargin deal in which he would plead guilty to a lesser crime, but have to register as a sex offender he had to "pay the price" to quote the racist DA in the hick county that the trail took place in.

There was also another kid who was a star football player, who was black, who had sex with a white teenage 15 year old on school property. The girl's dad is a racist and in order to save face she claims she was raped. Meanwhile the football has a full scholarship to Vandy awaiting him upon graduation, long story short he goes to prison for a few years only getting released after Bryant Gumbel profiles his story on "Real Sports" on HBO. The kid is now enrolled at Hampton Univ. playing football.

I say all of that to say this isn't a slam dunk for Odell regardless of obvious it is that the whole situation is total and complete bulls**t. But I hope common sense and reason will rule the day come Friday and Odell is cleared of any wrong doing.

IS it illegal to receive oral sex from a 15 year old girl when you are 17??

[Stripes]

Odell's done. I was one who said throughout the offseason that he would be back eventually, but this will be enough to destroy all of that hope.

Hooray for Ahmad Brooks.

Looks like I probably allowed myself to overreact. If I end up wrong, I'll be all the happier for it.

[The PatternMaster]

Instead of responding to the continued lack of character and judgement on Odell's part, most of the board seems to be more concerned with finding ways to put holes in the alleged victim's stories.

I think you can trust that Goodell's and/or the Bengals' decision to keep him around won't be based solely on the legal outcome of the case.

If Marvin and/or whomever learn that he indeed was there, assaulted people after hitting on someone's girlfriend at 3am, at a party, there's a significant chance the Bengals' might just say "see ya" before training camp, if he's reinstated.

And really, I don't even care to have this moron on the team anymore. He's not the kind of idiot I choose to spend money on or cheer for - same with Nicholson.

I would applaud Marvin and/or Brown simply cutting him and moving on, as soon as they get the chance. Enough already.

Does the term self-righteous hypocrite mean anything to you? What continued lack of character and judgement are you refering too? Your the one who can wait to get the noose to hang Odell.

So because Odell failed a drug test and got caught driving drunk, he can't go to a party and hang out with his family, are you serious?

Give it a rest, it's like you just want someone to make a mistake so you can get on your soapbox and claim moral superiority, it's pretty pathetic.

[The PatternMaster]

I don't feel comfortable with Odell's career being thrown away because of an internet rumor.

No one is suggesting that it will be. However, if that internet rumor turns into an arrest warrant in a couple days, it's a whole new ball game. OTOH, if the hearing concludes there's nothing to the accusations, then it will all just go away.

Please see post #63, 64, 74, 75, & 78.

Some poeple already have the noose ready(emm. Shula) and Sandwedge thinks Odell will kill himself in the near future. Obviously some people are forming their own conculusions based off an internet rumor.

Thank you

What internet rumor??? It's alittle beyond rumor I'd think it's actually a fact , Odell was attending a party and it got out of hand... I've seen it before...l If he doesn't straighten his act up and figure out what is important to him... He's headed down a path of self destruction, which CAN and often does lead to suicide.... I don't wish for Odell to kill himself, I never meant that.... He's just not to friggin bright to begin with and he hasn't had anyone to lean on to help him it seems....

So know that the fact has been proven that the alleged "victims" were nothing more than lying s**tbags trying to extort money from Odell, what were you saying about saying about facts and all that stuff?

What makes you think Odell hasn't straighten up his act and I'm sure he's well aware of what a great opportunity playing in the NFL is and that is why he's going to make a full recovery and get back to playing football.

And yes, when the girl is under 16 and guy is over 16 it's considered statutory rape in some states. However the law that convicted Wilson was later revised because the was too vague and it could be used, as in Wilson case, to convict teenagers when it was supposed to be used to convict adults who prey on children.

[DesperateDerelict]

. . . the extortion attempt shows who the real victims and who the real criminals are, I hope at the authorities in Monticello investigate these alleged "victims" for there extortion attempt.

It will never happen, it's more of a civil case then a criminal case. Regardless, the damage is already done.

Don't believe for a moment that this slander will not affect Odell - His reinstatement is totally at the whim of Good-all, who can decide to 'consider' it for weeks, effectively eliminating Odell's participation in training camp, which would blow another season for him.

Though I question Odell's maturity and self-control, on the field he has all of the attributes you'd want in a linebacker. Without injury to our other backers, we can do without him. However - and it always seems one position has more than their fair share of injuries in any given year - If this is the year linebackers start going down like Paris Hilton, we absolutely need him at Wil or MLB to have an effective defense.

Can Marvin afford to have him on the team? Can he afford not to? Only the Commissioner knows for sure.

[HoosierCat]

Good news... I guess. I still have my hesitations about bringing Odell back into the lockerroom.

Well, whether Odell makes it back into the locker room is to my mind something of a seperate question. Obviously, he won't if he doesnt get reinstated, but I see no reason to deny him that right now. But how the Bengals feel remains to be seen. Despite Marvin saying that he'd give Thurman a shot, the potential for one more incident to basically end his career has to weight heavily in the team's calculations. We'll see.

[Walrus]

IS it illegal to receive oral sex from a 15 year old girl when you are 17??

This happened in GA, where age of consent is 16. So I'm guessing that, yeah, it is technically illegal. The punishment sure doesn't seem to fit the crime, though.

And yes, when the girl is under 16 and guy is over 16 it's considered statutory rape in some states. However the law that convicted Wilson was later revised because the was too vague and it could be used, as in Wilson case, to convict teenagers when it was supposed to be used to convict adults who prey on children.

My bad, PM -- didn't see you already replied to this question.

[The PatternMaster]

. . . the extortion attempt shows who the real victims and who the real criminals are, I hope at the authorities in Monticello investigate these alleged "victims" for there extortion attempt.

Don't believe for a moment that this slander will not affect Odell - His reinstatement is totally at the whim of Good-all, who can decide to 'consider' it for weeks, effectively eliminating Odell's participation in training camp, which would blow another season for him.

I don't this latest incident will hurt Odell at all, if anything it will make people sympathetic towards his situation.

I also don't think Goodell is the monster that everyone is making him out to be, although banning alcohol is a bit over board, imo. Goodell got the blessings of the players union to make the suspensions he has given out recently and the 3 guys who got suspened are all young players who have been questioned by the police more times than years they have been in the league.

I beleive Goodell came down hard on the young guys for a few reasons but mainly to send a message to the young guys in the league that there has to be a change because these incidents are on the rise and for future generations so they know what will happen if you choose to behave like the guys who got suspened. Pacman was made an example for a few reason, his draft position put him in a spotlight and he continued to emberass everyone even after Goodell issued his warnings, not to mention he continuely lied to his organization by promising them that he wasn't going to put himself in bad situations.

Odell has/will pay his debt to the NFL and society for his actions, he should be allowed to have a chance to restart his career. Also don't be fooled into thinking that Odell is finished, we should keep him around because we had to take all of the heat for his screw ups, we might as well let him redeem himself on the field in Bengals uni instead of some other team.

[DesperateDerelict]

[i don't this latest incident will hurt Odell at all, if anything it will make people sympathetic towards his situation.

I also don't think Goodell is the monster that everyone is making him out to be . . Odell has/will pay his debt to the NFL and society for his actions, he should be allowed to have a chance to restart his career.

I hope you're right, but I have less faith in this autocratic 'system' then you do.

[HoosierCat]

I also don't think Goodell is the monster that everyone is making him out to be, although banning alcohol is a bit over board, imo. Goodell got the blessings of the players union to make the suspensions he has given out recently and the 3 guys who got suspened are all young players who have been questioned by the police more times than years they have been in the league.

Exactly. Whatever you think of Goodell, the bottom line is that the guys to blame for Henry, Pacman and Tank Johnson's troubles are Henry, Pacman and Tank Johnson.

Even the alcohol thing doesn't bug me much. I mean, I dunno about anyone else, but I don't get to drink at work. So they have to leave their "workplace" to get a drink? Well, that's not exactly a hardship, is it? And most companies I've worked for only cover your alcohol expenses while travelling if they are connected to entertaining a client. Even if I can managed to flag down a flight attendant for a drink these days, it's coming out of my own pocket.

[agreen_112]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2897413

Thurman's lucky the pansies were easy to pay off...Best news I've heard all week. Way to go Thurman, now get your ass back on tha field!!!

[agreen_112]

^^^^^

That's a wrap, folks. The Thurmanator won't sniff the field again, at least not the NFL's.

I guess I can now officially lose my Thurman jersey.

IF Odell was even at that party with a gun - that's enough for me to not have any faith in his ability to grow up and become a reliable player regardless. He's still hanging out with the wrong people if this is at all true.

THERE IT IS.

Seriously guys, will you please stop jumping to conclusions... It makes you look so damn stupid sometimes.

Give the jersey to someone that supports his team and the PLAYERS no matter what until proven guilty, PM me, I'll give you my adress... Seriously, don't wear that jersey ever again dude, you don't deserve to!

[The PatternMaster]

I also don't think Goodell is the monster that everyone is making him out to be, although banning alcohol is a bit over board, imo. Goodell got the blessings of the players union to make the suspensions he has given out recently and the 3 guys who got suspened are all young players who have been questioned by the police more times than years they have been in the league.

Exactly. Whatever you think of Goodell, the bottom line is that the guys to blame for Henry, Pacman and Tank Johnson's troubles are Henry, Pacman and Tank Johnson.

Even the alcohol thing doesn't bug me much. I mean, I dunno about anyone else, but I don't get to drink at work. So they have to leave their "workplace" to get a drink? Well, that's not exactly a hardship, is it? And most companies I've worked for only cover your alcohol expenses while travelling if they are connected to entertaining a client. Even if I can managed to flag down a flight attendant for a drink these days, it's coming out of my own pocket.

Imagine the office holiday party without alcohol, why would anyone go? Also at one of my old jobs my manager would consistanly take us out for drinks after work on the company Amex, everyone is of legal drinking age so what's the problem.

To me it seems like Goodell is punishing the whole NFL for the actions of a few.

But from a health aspect I can understand it, the NFL is supposed to be for superior athletes and alcohol has no place in a superior athletes body. I'm sure a guy like Chip Morton will agree that drinking alcohol affects your overall conditioning. But if you compare the NFL's offical position to alcohol to were they stand on the lasting effects of concussions, you'll start to see some problems.

[HoosierCat]

Imagine the office holiday party without alcohol, why would anyone go? Also at one of my old jobs my manager would consistanly take us out for drinks after work on the company Amex, everyone is of legal drinking age so what's the problem.

Some companies will allow people to expense booze, some won't. My point is simply that NFL deciding not to buy its players drinks is hardly something unknown in corporate America.

And if Mike Brown wants to throw a Christmas party with alcohol for his players, he can. As long as it isn't an "official team function" he can do it. Of course, he'd probably have to pay for it himself...but my bet is he'd just make it BYOB instead.

[DesperateDerelict]

.... if Mike Brown wants to throw a Christmas party with alcohol for his players, he can. As long as it isn't an "official team function" he can do it. Of course, he'd probably have to pay for it himself...but my bet is he'd just make it BYOB instead.

Hoosier -

They could host it at daughter Katie's, but only in the winter . . . she's so cheap she decided NOT to install air-conditioning in her $3 million dollar house, pissing off her builder big time.

[Spor_tees]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2897413

Thurman's lucky the pansies were easy to pay off...Best news I've heard all week. Way to go Thurman, now get your ass back on tha field!!!

Wait a freaking minute! So Odell ended up paying these guys off! So something did happen otherwise Odell wouldn't have given these guys a dime. I wonder if the Commish will take into account a situation like this as a confession of guilt just the same as he does when a player pleads "no contest" to charges.