More Trouble for Odell?

[Stripes]

I thought this forum and all blogging had certain rules:

1) Always shoot the messenger

2) If you have something nice to say, keep it to yourself.

3) Historical facts are less valid than current innuendo, which is less important than one's opinion.

4) Anybody who types in complete sentences, uses grammar and punctuation well, and uses words normally found in spelling bees is probably an English teacher, and totally unreliable.

5) Revisionist history is encouraged.

6) Anything expressed in a non-humorous way is fact.

7) If you start the topic, it's your fault.

8) If you quote an internet site, you must include the link, and 50% of the people will think you are somehow responsible for the information.

Laughter seconded.

[dave]

Channel 12/WKRC is running the story now: go here

[Kazkal]

Sorry mem looks like it's confirmed now,Though could always be guys Odell use to know in the past trying to slander him "rolls eyes"

[GregCook]

Its early June, rumors like this are worth the cost of postage to send them to this forum.

Hey on a more important note, I'm coming into Cincy area in a couple weeks. Where can I find a nice restaurant with outdoor seating, something overlooking the Ohio?

Outdoor store specializing in fly fishing?

I'm bringing a 12 year old girl, to entertain what else is available besides the water park near Kings Island and of course Kings Island?

[DesperateDerelict]

WCPO now has it - I f$@king give up! Here's the link: http://www.wcpo.com/news/local/story.aspx?...f4-6fb8dca15d7f

& the story:

Odell Thurman Accused Of Assault

Posted By: Brian Duerring

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Bengals Website

Reported by: 9 News Reporter Deb Haas

Former Bengal Odell Thurman is being accused of assault in the state of Georgia.

The magistrate's office in Jasper County, Georgia confirms to 9 News that a couple of men filed complaints against Thurman and his brother following a weekend party.

The accusers told police Thurman and his brother punched them at a party during an argument and later returned with guns drawn.

No one was shot but the accusers claim they were assaulted.

They did not call police until the following morning. A judge will hold what's called a pre-warrant hearing on Friday to determine whether an arrest warrant should be issued for Thurman and his brother.

Thurman was suspended last season for violating the league's substance abuse policy, following a drunk driving arrest.

He could apply for reinstatement into the NFL this summer.

A Bengals spokesperson says since he is no longer on their roster they have no comment on the incident.

[membengal]

Again, this all seems less than ideal, with regard to Odell's future with the league. He was due to apply for reinstatment any day now. The stupidity is simply staggering, on every level.

Speaking of which, agreen? When you wrote this above:

"Your damn right I'm coming back with a weapon if someone pulled one on me!"

the threshold for dumbest thing ever written on this board was breached and then some. Well done. I am in awe.

[Kazkal]

I'm kinda wondering if he did have a gun pulled on him first but doesn't really matter if your ass got away fine from the party then stay away don't come back with more guns.....He was so close to making it back then he goes and fuks himself .

[bengalsfansince68]

Again, you guys are assuming this is true.

[BengalByTheBay]

Again, you guys are assuming this to be true.

Just ugggghhhh. Damn, at this point it's almost irrational not to believe any rumor of stupid, criminal, or just lame behavior when either Thurman or Henry's name is involved. I have the feeling this aint gonna end well.

[The PatternMaster]

Again, this all seems less than ideal, with regard to Odell's future with the league. He was due to apply for reinstatment any day now. The stupidity is simply staggering, on every level.

Speaking of which, agreen? When you wrote this above:

"Your damn right I'm coming back with a weapon if someone pulled one on me!"

the threshold for dumbest thing ever written on this board was breached and then some. Well done. I am in awe.

Mem, you beat me to it as far as calling out agreen for that dumbass comment. First off if someone pulls a gun on you and your lucky enough to get away without getting shot, the last thing you do is go back so they can have another chance to reconsider shooting your dumbass.

What you should do is call the damn police and get that bastard who tried to kill you arrested, but you probably just typed that for us here on the internet. In real life you wouldn't do anything so stupid, right?

[derekshank]

Again, you guys are assuming this is true.

True or not, the charge has been filed. That is pretty much all Goodell cares about. And honestly... can you keep giving the guy the benefit of the doubt? Henry's failed drug crap seemed suspicious to me from the get go. This just doesn't have the same feel.

If they went to the police, I'll bet that there is evidence (fat lip, black eye) to substantiate their claims. I just don't see Goodell reinstating Odell. I didn't have much hope for him contributing in the first place - so this is no big deal to me. And if Odell does get reinstated, I'll bet he'll still be serving a suspension of some kind, and that Marvin now has even less faith in the guy - which was little to nill in the first place.

[HoTbOy]

Just hope it's not true....Is it safe to post something about the Bengals that you read somewhere since we are ALL fans without other fans ripping you for the message even if it may be BS...Just take it with a grain of salt if you don't believe it...

[Stripes]

Odell's done. I was one who said throughout the offseason that he would be back eventually, but this will be enough to destroy all of that hope.

Hooray for Ahmad Brooks.

[bengalskyspy]

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nf...f-assault_N.htm

It is everywhere. How stupid is this guy, really? This year's recipient of the Maurice Clarett Award. Maybe he and Mo will hook up in prison. That's some high-powered bangin going on.

[Defender]

Again, you guys are assuming this is true.

True or not, the charge has been filed. That is pretty much all Goodell cares about. And honestly... can you keep giving the guy the benefit of the doubt? Henry's failed drug crap seemed suspicious to me from the get go. This just doesn't have the same feel.

If they went to the police, I'll bet that there is evidence (fat lip, black eye) to substantiate their claims. I just don't see Goodell reinstating Odell. I didn't have much hope for him contributing in the first place - so this is no big deal to me. And if Odell does get reinstated, I'll bet he'll still be serving a suspension of some kind, and that Marvin now has even less faith in the guy - which was little to nill in the first place.

As of right now, it's just an allegation. Even Michael Vick is still standing amid his allegations w/out charges.

Since they did go to the police, I'm inclined to think there is at least some truth to it. But why didn't anyone call the cops when a 6 foot 230 pound NFL linebacker was beating on this guy? The fact that the cops weren't made aware of it until 3 days later makes me think there may be some exageration. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but that's what makes me think the burden of proof won't be met.

[duus]

On one hand, I am greatly concerned about the new 'behavior policy' as it will likely lead to all sorts of folks making allegations with little to no merit. Heck, with the NFL being as big a business as it is, it surely would not be much of a stretch to imagine a world where folks are out there (uh, hired?) for no reason other than to provoke key players into situations that will likely end up in game suspensions. This is a slippery slope that I think the league is putting itself in.

Then again, if Thurman was at a house party late enough into the night/morning for horrible things to happen ... well ... bye-bye. I'm a Bengals fan first. And this fan is tired. Simply tired. I would much rather sit back and root for some new guys than to have to wonder if the guy on the field will be there next week because he will likely be at another late night house party and get himself into trouble. No need to be sitting at home by yourself every night, but I think we all know that certain situations are more prone to bad things happening. It's a choice. A career choice. Sure looks like he continues to make the choice to have more fun off the field than on. That's his choice. Just get on with life and leave us fans to the players who choose the fun on the field.

[membengal]

One more time...not all allegations are created equal. Allegations like this when you have not been in trouble before in the NFL? No big deal.

Allegations like this in Goodell's new world order when you have already been in trouble? Hellaciously big deal.

Derek's point above is spot on.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Odell's done. I was one who said throughout the offseason that he would be back eventually, but this will be enough to destroy all of that hope.

Hooray for Ahmad Brooks.

It sucks, but this is why we had to address the LB corps. After getting in trouble what...4 times in a year, what's the chances he doesn't get in trouble once over the following year?

He may get lucky, as the details seem sketchy as do the witnesses and the complainant.

[Kazkal]

Again, you guys are assuming this is true.

Even if Odell is innocent still be frowned down upon for putting him self in to the situation...I still support Odell it just sucks to hear this :/

[Kazkal]

More from PFT....

THURMAN ARREST MIGHT NOT HAPPEN

The failure of the two men who claim that Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman and his brother beat them up and thereafter pointed guns at them to make an immediate report to authorities could make it very hard for Thurman and his brother to face charges.

Though there's no legal requirement that police be called immediately when someone is beaten up or put on the wrong end of a pistol, the failure to get police on the scene promptly to investigate the situation and determine whether charges should be pursued will provide plenty of ammunition for the defense lawyers in their quest to conjure reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors.

Since the charges came the next day, the case initially will hinge on a hearing that essentially amounts to a swearing contest between the accusers and those who are friendly to them, and the accused and those who are friendly to them. The mere fact that the accusers waited will make it harder to persuade a jury that Thurman and his brother are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The key will be the presence of any truly neutral, unbiased witnesses. Even then, the ultimate question that needs to be asked is whether the testimony supporting the notion that an assault occurred is enough to overcome any reasonable doubt arising from the testimony that it didn't happen.

-was it alrdy posted? I just saw the confirmed one.

[Bengals Fan in Trenton]

If this is true, Odell should be thrown out of the league.

[Walrus]

The fact that the cops weren't made aware of it until 3 days later makes me think there may be some exageration. Maybe it's wishful thinking, but that's what makes me think the burden of proof won't be met.

Not sure where this "3 days later" comes from. Seems like the folks are still trying to get basic facts straight. According to the SI's article the alleged incident take place early Sun morning (3 or 4am) and the cops were contacted later Sun. Also, according to WLWT.com, the police chief has characterized it as a "he said/she said" situation so I'm not convinced OT's gone yet. I'd put my money on the guy with the best lawyer to win this one.

But it sure ain't good news for Bengals/Thurman fans.

[The PatternMaster]

How you guys know what happened, you don't.

If some puny white kid in the rural south is assualted by some 230 lb black kid at a party with all of the white kids friends around do you think he's going to wait several hours to call the police, not in the America I live in. The fact that the cops weren't immediately called to the scene of the alleged beat down tells you that this story is bulls**t. Maybe the alleged victim waited to call the cops to until they were sober, but then there credibility gets called into question. Either way this whole situation sounds like someone trying to get Odell in even more trouble with the NFL.

Odell probably got into it with someone at a party and they went to the police because they know the situation he's in, basically one slip up and he's taking out the trash at Wendy's.

By the end of the week the truth will come out just like the Henry situation, even Odell isn't stupid enough to f**k up again, is he?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

How you guys know what happened, you don't.

If some puny white kid in the rural south is assualted by some 230 lb black kid at a party with all of the white kids friends around do you think he's going to wait several hours to call the police, not in the America I live in. The fact that the cops weren't immediately called to the scene of the alleged beat down tells you that this story is bulls**t. Maybe the alleged victim waited to call the cops to until they were sober, but then there credibility gets called into question. Either way this whole situation sounds like someone trying to get Odell in even more trouble with the NFL.

Odell probably got into it with someone at a party and they went to the police because they know the situation he's in, basically one slip up and he's taking out the trash at Wendy's.

By the end of the week the truth will come out just like the Henry situation, even Odell isn't stupid enough to f**k up again, is he?

Yes, of course, let's excuse Odell for putting himself in this situation in the 1st place, considering his circumstances, and blame it on the victims eh?

Unless this is just total BS without any real truth to it, just cut Odell's sorry ass and move on.

Seriously tired of talking about and wondering about this loser. Ahmad is committed and working himself up to be loser Odell's replacement. I'm fine with that, at this point.

I think this will pretty much be the end of Odell's professional football career, and/or time with the Bengals' regardless though.

And I'm fine with that too - sick of this idiot.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

More from PFT....

THURMAN ARREST MIGHT NOT HAPPEN

The failure of the two men who claim that Bengals linebacker Odell Thurman and his brother beat them up and thereafter pointed guns at them to make an immediate report to authorities could make it very hard for Thurman and his brother to face charges.

Though there's no legal requirement that police be called immediately when someone is beaten up or put on the wrong end of a pistol, the failure to get police on the scene promptly to investigate the situation and determine whether charges should be pursued will provide plenty of ammunition for the defense lawyers in their quest to conjure reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors.

Since the charges came the next day, the case initially will hinge on a hearing that essentially amounts to a swearing contest between the accusers and those who are friendly to them, and the accused and those who are friendly to them. The mere fact that the accusers waited will make it harder to persuade a jury that Thurman and his brother are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.

The key will be the presence of any truly neutral, unbiased witnesses. Even then, the ultimate question that needs to be asked is whether the testimony supporting the notion that an assault occurred is enough to overcome any reasonable doubt arising from the testimony that it didn't happen.

-was it alrdy posted? I just saw the confirmed one.

Yep, he may have a good case for not getting charged due to the circumstances. Unless a credible witness or two speaks up - and we know how that goes.

But we'll see how Marvin and Mike Brown view this incident regardless.

I wouldn't be a bit suprised if Marvin had enough after this, of him, and just cut ties whenever it's appropriate.

The guy's an idiot and has apparently not figured it out yet - time to move on.