mjm47 Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 For what it's worth..."Even before he started to deteriorate physically in Atlanta, where he suffered a ruptured Achilles in 2005 and had surgeries on both knees that shortened his 2006 season, linebacker Ed Hartwell had begun to rub veterans the wrong way. A noted trash-talker, Hartwell came to the Falcons as a big-money free agent in 2005 but, as the new guy in the lineup, tried to usurp the leadership role of guys like Keith Brooking in the locker room. Hartwell is already drawing crooked looks from Cincinnati veterans who are weary of his mouthiness and wonder if it's just a façade to camouflage the fact he's a guy in decline. … The Bengals' coaching staff, by the way, is starting to wonder if fourth-year safety Madieu Williams is ever going to regain the form of his 2004 rookie season. The Bengals felt they had a potentially special player in Williams a few years ago, but he's looked pretty ordinary of late. …"They passed on Reggie Nelson in favor of Hall, so they must not be ready to give up on Madieu yet.As for the Hartwell signing, I guess he'll either play well and validate his mouth or be a bust and be gone next year, so I imagine that it will work itself out.Regardless, a shakeup of the mindset of the defensive players probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Hartwell is already drawing crooked looks from Cincinnati veterans who are weary of his mouthiness and wonder if it's just a façade to camouflage the fact he's a guy in decline.The Bengals defense has veterans? I guess Dexter Jackson and Justin Smith are giving him crooked looks, because after those two, he's the only real veteran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Fortunately there aren't any "leaders" on this defense. And one who is, Dexter, is a trash talker too. Lewis knows Hartwell quite well, and Pasquafart doesn't even mention that. As if Marvin would be suprised that "Ed is a trash talker who would ruffle feathers."So, the nice guy veterans can go back to sucking their thumbs and acting like doormats if they want to. Lewis brought Hartwell in here because of his mouth and leadership, and had to cut loose the reserved Simmons as a result. Hell I'm not sure I've ever even heard Brian Simmons talk before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJBestInAFC Posted May 19, 2007 Report Share Posted May 19, 2007 Didn't the Bengals draft a trash talker safety in White? Hey if the Bengals d isn't improved atleast they will be able to talk a good game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 For what it's worth..."Even before he started to deteriorate physically in Atlanta, where he suffered a ruptured Achilles in 2005 and had surgeries on both knees that shortened his 2006 season, linebacker Ed Hartwell had begun to rub veterans the wrong way. A noted trash-talker, Hartwell came to the Falcons as a big-money free agent in 2005 but, as the new guy in the lineup, tried to usurp the leadership role of guys like Keith Brooking in the locker room. Hartwell is already drawing crooked looks from Cincinnati veterans who are weary of his mouthiness and wonder if it's just a façade to camouflage the fact he's a guy in decline. … The Bengals' coaching staff, by the way, is starting to wonder if fourth-year safety Madieu Williams is ever going to regain the form of his 2004 rookie season. The Bengals felt they had a potentially special player in Williams a few years ago, but he's looked pretty ordinary of late. …"They passed on Reggie Nelson in favor of Hall, so they must not be ready to give up on Madieu yet.As for the Hartwell signing, I guess he'll either play well and validate his mouth or be a bust and be gone next year, so I imagine that it will work itself out.Regardless, a shakeup of the mindset of the defensive players probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.Link ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 It's an espn insider article, oldschooler.And, seriously, wtf on pasq's note. They've had, what, four practices? Voluntary practices? If an alleged vet is already giving weird "looks", to the f**k bad. That D has stunk in every way possible. For years. Any vet on that D isn't entitled to anything other than trying not to stink again in 2007, and can stick any alleged "crooked looks" where the sun doesn't shine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Seeing as how our defense has sucked monkey nuts for so many years I can't remember, this is refreshing to hear !!! It's about time we got somebody not afraid to run his mouth and give the defense some identity, besides p*ssies, of course !!! Will he be the monster player he was before his injuries ?? I don't know for sure, but his intensity can't hurt and if he doesn't pan out, the one year contract is a beautiful thing !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjm47 Posted May 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/insider/col...&id=2874521Sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Insider SUCKS !!! Why should I have to pay extra for the good news ??WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrod382 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 We need people with an aggressive attitude, if that's what he's getting crooked looks for I'm not sure why.I can understand the theory behind Madieu. I kinda wonder why they don't try to sign him long term at a lower price now, not to say he'd be cheap but I think Madieu is still a good player to start for our defense regardless of how ordinary he was last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 We need people with an aggressive attitude, if that's what he's getting crooked looks for I'm not sure why.Depends what he's doing. If people are being lazy, then sure. I don't think that's the case. If he's coming in trying to be Mr. Big Shot, nobody likes that. And if he's going to pull that s**t, he better be able to bring it on the field.Our D needs some better players and better play calling, not a locker room hero.I recall last year our big free agent talking a real good game, then played about 10 plays a game and got released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 With Atlanta's 22nd ranked defense I'd say they have room to improved because status quo isnt working as is with the Bengals, so I welcome Hartwell. Anything he says cant be that far from the truth. Me personally Im tired of silent leaders ala Griffey Jr and Larkin. And if Madeiu cant beat out Marvin White then he doesnt deserve a long term contract. Whenever I watch ESPN all I see is the Maroney run and him getting his mug shoved into the dirt, him and Kaesviharn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 If EHartwell has to do trashtalking to get this lame a** D fired up, then so be it...CJohnson does it every week for the O...I think that is what we need on D, someone who says "I'm gonna knock your a** into to next week", and actually goes out and does it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 If an alleged vet is already giving weird "looks", to the f**k bad. That D has stunk in every way possible. For years. Any vet on that D isn't entitled to anything other than trying not to stink again in 2007, and can stick any alleged "crooked looks" where the sun doesn't shine.What mem said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icehole3 Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 Thats why Im all for Marvin White talking too, He said no one should come into his zone. I like that kind of talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted May 20, 2007 Report Share Posted May 20, 2007 In the grand scheme of things trash talking accounts for almost nothing, good or bad. Granted, some players claim they do it to motivate themselves or to fire up other players, but let's not kid ourselves about one thing. Trash talking should never be mistaken for leadership. And that's true because your fellow players will always remember most whether or not you actually backed up your words with your level of play. As for Hartwell, it's common knowledge that the Bengals are casting their lot on a player that can accurately be described as damaged goods, so it's only natural that come of his new teammates look at him with a mixture of doubt and hope. That's just the way it is, and only time will tell if Hartwell's new teammates react to his bravado with smiles or with rolled eyes. Moving on, the attitudes of the two players might be vastly different but I can easily imagine Madieu Williams finding himself in exactly the same situation as Deltha O'Neal. For all of their abundant skills and promise I'd say the Bengals are actually on very solid ground when demanding that both players show the team vastly more before offering them more pay and security. Because regardless of what either player might think it's fair to say that they still haven't proven themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 For what it's worth..."Even before he started to deteriorate physically in Atlanta, where he suffered a ruptured Achilles in 2005 and had surgeries on both knees that shortened his 2006 season, linebacker Ed Hartwell had begun to rub veterans the wrong way. A noted trash-talker, Hartwell came to the Falcons as a big-money free agent in 2005 but, as the new guy in the lineup, tried to usurp the leadership role of guys like Keith Brooking in the locker room. Hartwell is already drawing crooked looks from Cincinnati veterans who are weary of his mouthiness and wonder if it's just a façade to camouflage the fact he's a guy in decline. … The Bengals' coaching staff, by the way, is starting to wonder if fourth-year safety Madieu Williams is ever going to regain the form of his 2004 rookie season. The Bengals felt they had a potentially special player in Williams a few years ago, but he's looked pretty ordinary of late. …"They passed on Reggie Nelson in favor of Hall, so they must not be ready to give up on Madieu yet.As for the Hartwell signing, I guess he'll either play well and validate his mouth or be a bust and be gone next year, so I imagine that it will work itself out.Regardless, a shakeup of the mindset of the defensive players probably wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.This "article" is full of so much bulls**t, I'm having to swat the flys away from my moniter just to read the article. Len should go work for Faux News with his "fair and balanced" reporting style.First off, Len is a Atl' native and has to stay on good terms with the organization, so he's writing this article to show that the Falcons didn't screw up by getting rid of Hartwell, trying to portray him has damaged goods. He says Hartwell rubbed the most over-rated lb in the NFL, Keith Brookings, the wrong way. Who cares, as if Brookings is Vince Lambardi or someone, honestly who cares if Brooking didn't like Hartwell's mouth or swagger. If any team is going to give a 25 million dollar contract to a young guy and put him at MLB, he is supposed to be the leader and he might have hurt somebody's feelings to get everyone on board, but life ain't fair.Secondly, any Bengal fan with half a brain can tell you that our defense needs some fire, someone who isn't going to take it lying down. I like Hartwell's style, hopefully the young guys will feed off of his intensity and up their level of play. Any vet who doesn't like it can either say something to Hartwell man to man like a man, say something to the press like a biotch, or shut up and play better. Hartwell is far from "damaged goods"; yes he had some injury problems in Atl but he also returned for the last 5 games of the season and played well, plus he passed a physical and he is participating in the OTA's. Len's so full of s**t he needs a colonic. As for Madieu, I hope he can stay healthy and gets the help he needs from his teammates to succeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 Fortunately there aren't any "leaders" on this defense. And one who is, Dexter, is a trash talker too. Lewis knows Hartwell quite well, and Pasquafart doesn't even mention that. As if Marvin would be suprised that "Ed is a trash talker who would ruffle feathers."So, the nice guy veterans can go back to sucking their thumbs and acting like doormats if they want to. Lewis brought Hartwell in here because of his mouth and leadership, and had to cut loose the reserved Simmons as a result. Hell I'm not sure I've ever even heard Brian Simmons talk before.I don't see how there could be any trash talkers on the defensive side of the ball for the Bengals. They have no "trash" to talk about for crissakes! Until they raise their rankings to out of the bottom of the league, they need to shut the f**k up and just play football. GOOD football would be nice for a change... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aaronburr Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Trash talking doesn't equal leadership but its better than a mediocre journeyman quietly playing for a paycheck. Worse case scenario, those anonymous "veterans" will feel the need to prove the smart ass newcomer wrong. It might not lead to the most peaceful locker room, but I've got no problem with somebody, anybody telling a teammate to put up or shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 This defense is in desperate need of heart and balls. I thought Odell was perfect for that before we all found out he's the Norm Peterson of the NFL. This D needs a bad-ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 This defense is in desperate need of heart and balls. I thought Odell was perfect for that before we all found out he's the Norm Peterson of the NFL. This D needs a bad-ass.sorry but Odell will be that guy this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted May 24, 2007 Report Share Posted May 24, 2007 The fact that this article appeared after only 1 or 2 practices makes me very sceptical. I supect the 'disgruntled Bengal veteran' is made up - since we really have NO veterans on defense at LB. And I doubt than Len Pas has a lot of contacts on the Bengals D. Who would? And someone so touchy that one or 2 days makes it all go sour?Marvin has brought in these 'take charge' guys on an annual basis - Hardy, That MLB in 2004, DJax, Adams, Pollack even. Why is Hartwell suddenly a problem? None of the others were, and as others have said its a universal perception that we need some identity on D.My take is this - Hart was supposed to be a big man in ATL. Becuase of the injuries, so the talk may have grown thin from a man who was underproducing his pay. Pas then adds a 'bengal source' to supplement a thin article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted May 25, 2007 Report Share Posted May 25, 2007 you pay for espn insider lol? why would u pay for the crap they put up it's not worth it. u are waisting your money cancel that subscription now i don't want to see u waisting ur hard earned cash on that bull s**t site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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