Stripes Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Name me one mlb that will be productive behind a pourous d-line, next! As for his speed and coverage duties I'm not sure about those either, but bringing him in wouldn't hurt.Thurman was productive behind a crappy line as a rookie. I just don't think Hartwell has the measureables that most of the effective 4-3 MLBs in this league have.Answer me this, are you comfortable going into the season with our current lb's, given their lack of experience and all. I'm a homer, but I think we're going to need someone besides Landon and Caleb with some experience and Hartwell is the best option to fill that void.Honestly I don't think whether or not I'm comfortable is relevant. There are certainly better players out there than Landon or Caleb, but replacing them with a free agent is inherently risky both from a financial perspective and a production perspective. I don't think Hartwell would ever sign the deal Doss signed for, and as Kazkal said -- the Bengals are going with the youth movement balls to the wall. I'm content with them sticking with that strategy and waiting for long-term gains rather than demanding massive improvement in 2007.What vetern lb would you like the Bengals to go after?I don't think they need to go after any veteran linebackers. I was a Na'il Diggs advocate earlier in the offseason, but he'd be even more expensive than Hartwell. After re-signing Reggie Kelly, the Bengals don't really even have the cap space (after yearly funds are considered like the rookie pool or in-season stuff) to sign anyone of that caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hartwell seems better suited on the strongside. I wouldn't mind seeing the Bengals use an actual LB there.Wait...you mean if you have a need at LB you get an actual LB?!?! That's just crazy talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey now, Pollack was progressing nicely before he got hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinneymulleT Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Hey now, Pollack was progressing nicely before he got hurt. He was as a situational pass rusher. Very much in the freeny, on the edge and with the duck move. But I am sure, as the astute Bengals fan you are, implied that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Unlike TDB, I want to win next year and am ok with them doing everything and anything they can to win now versus later.No such thing as a long term plan in the NFL any more - outside of your QB and skill players.Take what you can get on defense and go for the gusto.But I realize this is Cincinnati and we are used to losing and waiting around for the tomorrow that never comes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 6, 2007 Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 But I realize this is Cincinnati and we are used to losing and waiting around for the tomorrow that never comes.Like 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 per Hobson...4-18-07, 1:30 p.m. The Bengals are setting up a visit with a Marvin Lewis draft pick in Falcons middle linebacker Ed Hartwell.Let me be the first to say: old washed up dude?SIGN 'EM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I wouldnt say he is old...but def washed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Hobson updates:The Bengals are setting up a visit with a Marvin Lewis draft pick in Falcons middle linebacker Ed Hartwell. Hartwell, a fourth-round pick of the Ravens in 2001, has been hampered by injuries during his two-year stay in Atlanta, including a torn Achilles tendon in 2005 and maintenance knee surgery in 2006.“He’s 100 percent healthy. It’s not like he ended the season on injured reserve,” said agent Harold Lewis Wednesday. “We’re looking for a one-year deal to show people that he’s back and he deserved all that money they gave him two years ago.”Hartwell played only 13 games for the Falcons after signing a six-year, $26.5 million deal before the 2005 season. As he struggled with injuries, Atlanta responded by putting Keith Brooking back in the middle and the club ended up cutting Hartwell last month.Hartwell, who turns 29 next month, had a big year for the Ravens in 2002 when Ray Lewis played just five games. He logged 105 tackles and 39 assists the season after Baltimore took him in the fourth round out of Western Illinois during Lewis' last year in Baltimore."Marvin is one of his favorites," Harold Lewis said. "We were hoping that the Bengals would show interest after the 2004, but other teams showed more."With second-year player Ahmad Brooks pencilled in to start in the middle, the Bengals could be looking to Hartwell to back him up with some experience. Landon Johnson on the right outside is their most experienced backer with just 48 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan17 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I think he could have a breakout season again with marvin...he is not washed up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I think he could have a breakout season again with marvin...he is not washed upWell, I can't believe that Caleb Miller or Rashad Jeanty are THAT much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan17 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 If he signs with the bengals or any other team and has a great year then dont jump on his bandwagon if he is on the bengals and dont complain either if its with another team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Figured I would merge this with the previous Hartwell discussion...enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhunkE1 Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 I think he could have a breakout season again with marvin...he is not washed upWell, I can't believe that Caleb Miller or Rashad Jeanty are THAT much better.If he is 100% healthy Caleb and Rashad couldn't hold his jock. He's a tackling machine when healthy.SIGN HIM!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Caleb Miller is the next Brian Urlacher...who needs FA's? jk... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoDeyForever Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Hartwell would be nice to have and so would Myers. If we were to get one of these (hopefully Hartwell) I would be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brau09 Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 the article i seen read that his attorney said he was just looking for a 1 year deal just to prove he's healthy, so maybe he will sign cheap...plus he wants to play for marvin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 If it's at a good price, I can't see the Bengals NOT doing this with Hartwell... After losing the veteran presence of Simmons, you have to think Marvin would love to have something to replace that and a former draft pick of his sounds like just the thing... I'm good either way...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 hurman was productive behind a crappy line as a rookieMan could you picture Odell with big sam and peko infront of him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Boy Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Looks like Hartwell is being brought in for a looksee..."And former Falcons middle linebacker Ed Hartwell will visit Cincinnati today and Friday, his agent said."http://news.cincinnati.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...190404/-1/CINCI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HoosierCat Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Yup. If you go back and look, we have yet (under Marvin) to have the same three starting LBs two opening days in a row. The same thing is true at safety, where we've gone through Herring, Beckett, Madieu, K2, Ohalete and Jackson. Assuming Jackson and Madieu are the starters, this will be the first time under Marvin we've had continuity there. Even DE has seen a lot of churn, with the team using Clemons, Robinson, and Geathers, plus swing guys Powell and Fanene, now comes Rucker (and that's all in addition to switching Justin back and forth).Hard to build a defense with such minimal continuity... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted April 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 So it seems as if Marvin and I are on the same wave length, or maybe I used my telopahtic abilities to subconciously influence Marvin, or maybe it's just a coincedence. Either way I hope they are able to get a deal done asap as signing Hartwell could be one of the biggest little deals of the off-season. I'm telling you, this guy is a football player through and through, all of those fans who doubt him now will be singing his praises in a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 19, 2007 Report Share Posted April 19, 2007 Bengals | Hartwell will visit team ThursdayWed, 18 Apr 2007 20:05:39 -0700Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports free-agent LB Edgerton Hartwell (Falcons) will visit the Cincinnati Bengals Thursday, April 19, according to his agent Harold Lewis.Dont look for us to sign him...1 yr vet minimum deal is too expensive for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Bengals | Hartwell will visit team ThursdayWed, 18 Apr 2007 20:05:39 -0700Mark Curnutte, of the Cincinnati Enquirer, reports free-agent LB Edgerton Hartwell (Falcons) will visit the Cincinnati Bengals Thursday, April 19, according to his agent Harold Lewis.Dont look for us to sign him...1 yr vet minimum deal is too expensive for us.Geoff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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