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I have been an avid Marvin supporter from day one. But could there be a silent roar building right now? Because the honest truth is if the bengals cant win with that talent, then they are not prepared well enough. I hope it never comes up for discussion, or on a losing streak next season. If we do lose again the way we lost last year LEWIS WILL BE GONE! GUARANTEED!!!!!

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I have been an avid Marvin supporter from day one. But could there be a silent roar building right now? Because the honest truth is if the bengals cant win with that talent, then they are not prepared well enough. I hope it never comes up for discussion, or on a losing streak next season. If we do lose again the way we lost last year LEWIS WILL BE GONE! GUARANTEED!!!!!

Let's fire Marvin and release Chad, TJ, Carson, and Rudi. I can't take any more of this contending for the playoffs.

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Do any of you knuckle heads remember how it was before Marvin? He's turned this team around! He's turned the city around. Yea the team has some issues, but every team has issues. Every company has issues. No matter what kind of leader you are, you're going to have some leadership challenges. We have them in the military, the US government has them, I'm sure Walmart corp has them. Get a life, Marvin isn't going anywhere any time soon.

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Do any of you knuckle heads remember how it was before Marvin?

I'd venture to say we do. Otherwise, there would almost certainly be more calls for the head of a head coach who's managed one winning season in four years.

That sounds bad, but he's 6 games over 500, so that's better than average. I'd say every year but this past one exceeded expectations. The first year he turned a 3-13 team to 8-8. The following year he managed 8-8 again while breaking in a rookie QB. The next year they went 11-5 and won the division. This past year they regressed to 8-8 in a tough division in a very hard conference with a barely-rehabbed QB and a ton of injuries.

The only real gripe is the embarassing arrests.

I want to know though: I see the furor over the alleged "Fire Marvin!" strawman, but who's actually suggesting that, anyway? Has anyone done so?

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I want to know though: I see the furor over the alleged "Fire Marvin!" strawman, but who's actually suggesting that, anyway? Has anyone done so?

Not that I've seen, at least not seriously. I do agree with kaz that 2007 needs to be a good year -- and by good I mean not just winning but some playoff victories, too. Even another season like 2005 (11-5 but then one-and-done) will bring out the boo birds, to say nothing of what will happen in the case of, say, another .500 outing.

Which, really, is a good thing. Once upon a time, Bengals fans would have applauded an 8-8 season; now we expect our team to win.

But that's all just fan talk. As for whether Marvin's really on the hot seat, I don't think so. Mikey is notoriously loyal; he's held on to worse coaches for far longer. Of course, if there's a Lebeau-caliber collapse, anything could happen, but short of that I suspect the job is Marvin's for as long as he wants it.

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Again, please remember the 1987 season. Wyche had had three good seasons, with a near breakthrough in 1986 with 10 wins but no playoffs. Then, a 4-11 disaster, with the strike nonsense scattered in.

And Wyche was in no threat to lose his job. And then took them to the Super Bowl.

Point is, as hoosier has mentioned, Brown's loyalty means that even if the team craters (unlikely), ML is not anywhere close to a hot seat. And he shouldn't be.

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Do you guys realize that Marvin Lewis has had one of the best first four seasons a Bengals coach has ever had? His first four years were better than Paul Brown and Sam Wyche. The only coach to have a better winning percentage in his first four years was Forrest Gregg and one of his seasons was coached during the strike and he only got to coach nine games. Marvin could go 2-14 next season and he would still be our coach.

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Blasphemy! C'mon now. This team sucked FOREVER. I'm not sure about the history of Cincinnati before 82', but this is the best run in 25 years. He is a great coach. It was natural to have a let down season with a young team, the toughest schedule in the NFL, 8 arrests, injuries, suspensions, arrests, and a QB coming off of a blown out knee. When you think about it, 8-8 was a miracle. I don't want Marvin to go anywhere. He worked a miracle here.

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Yet this is not the pre-free agency and salary cap era eighties.

Marvin was brought in here to turn things around.

He has taken them from miserable to average.

I want a coach who can take them from average to very good or great.

Marv's seat should definitely be warm next season, 5 years is plenty of time to do better than 8-8 every year.

The low standards here and excuses are frankly rather pathetic.

I have no fan loyalty to Marvin at this point and his flippant attitude and slip ups have made me question him more than ever.

Tired of the 8-8 seasons. That's not good enough.

And please stop with the injury and "tough schedule" excuses. Some of you guys sound like you're stuck in the 90's with the losers still.

It's okay to demand winning seasons and a playoff run or two in a 5-7 year timeframe. Marvin's sand is running out. Better sack-up Marv.

Blasphemy! C'mon now. This team sucked FOREVER. I'm not sure about the history of Cincinnati before 82', but this is the best run in 25 years. He is a great coach. It was natural to have a let down season with a young team, the toughest schedule in the NFL, 8 arrests, injuries, suspensions, arrests, and a QB coming off of a blown out knee. When you think about it, 8-8 was a miracle. I don't want Marvin to go anywhere. He worked a miracle here.

Only in Cincinnati is 8-8 a "miracle." :rolleyes:

It's funny that Philly lost their franchise QB in the midle of the year, and proceeded to still go 6-2 and get into the playoffs and win a game.

Marvin's franchise QB was just fine this year and didn't miss a game. The AFC may be tougher, but that's life bub - again tired of excuses every single year for Marvin.

So I'm not sure why the loser mentality persists in this city.

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So I'm not sure why the loser mentality persists in this city.

I don't think the lack of a large -- or even small -- contingent of Marvin-bashers indicates there's some kind of "loser mentality." I would venture a guess that the vast majority of fans (or at least of posters here) expects great things out of the Bengals next season. The offense should be at full strength (with the possible if typical absence of Chris "glass refrigerator shelf" Perry), while the D can't help but improve, if only because it can't really get worse.

In fact, I think that's kind of the whole point of this thread, that IF the Bengals flame out in '07 THEN you will see a lot more calls for Marvin's scalp. That sounds like pretty high expectations, not a "loser mentality" to me.

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I'm guessing Marvin's seat is only as warm as the act of sitting makes it.

Arguing that Marvin has had only one winning season in four is a crap argument since he wasn't expected to turn a 3-13 team around overnight. Under the direction of Lewis this team has been on a steady and constant rise until this past season, and if that temporary step back is enough to bring back the loud whining voices of a few miserable fans then that says more about this teams fanbase than the head coach said to be under fire.

In regards to the character issue, I'm strongly in favor of giving Lewis time to address the issue in any way he sees fit. Simply put, I think he's done things the right way often enough that he's earned the right to continue building his team whatever way he chooses without being 2nd guessed by a bunch of message board hand-wringers.

Don't mistake what I'm saying though. The hand-wringing is inevitable and can't be silenced. I'm just saying that it should be ignored.

But things aren't all rosey in Bengala, and I agree that the clock is ticking in Cincy, just as it does everywhere. Lewis does have to show real progress towards building a defense that isn't an embarrassment, and he'd be wise to do so quickly....even if the clock moves slower in Cincy than anywhere else.

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Arguements could be made by both sides off this. Should they be better on defense by now? Yes. Is there benefit in continuity? Yes. I don't necessarily believe that the problems that the Bengals have are directly related to the coach. Turning around a franchise that was so bad for so long is not an easy task. Ask Denny Green about that. On the other hand are there things that have not been done to increase the chances of them winning on a consistant basis? Yes again. However, I think that this negligence falls on ownership. The FA pickups have had little or no effect, and the scouting department (whoever that may be) has done a horrific job. Whether its Mikey or Marvin pulling the trigger on these questionable character guys, the scouting team are the ones briefing the head honchos on the perceived risk/reward that these draft picks garner. They are the people breaking down film and doing background checks on potential draft picks, not Mikey and Marvin. I say either get more scouts or improve the quality of people doing the job. Firing the head coach isn't the answer.

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I have been an avid Marvin supporter from day one. But could there be a silent roar building right now? Because the honest truth is if the bengals cant win with that talent, then they are not prepared well enough. I hope it never comes up for discussion, or on a losing streak next season. If we do lose again the way we lost last year LEWIS WILL BE GONE! GUARANTEED!!!!!

The bigger question is do you want Mike Brown to have the fate of the team again? I can't, with good conscience answer that question without a b.b gun and a bottle of gin.

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I was about to stick a long-winded Pro-Marvin post here, but it's really no use. I'll let him and and his team do the talking themselves. Obviously some fans are easy to sway with a win or two.

What?! You mean you're not apart of the culture of firing coaches only to get the same mediocre results from other coaches that no one will name here after easily saying we should fire the head coach.

OK, THAT was long-winded.

But as Walz says, "Just curious, but who would you want as the next coach? Give me 3 names."

The room falls quiet with the distant sounds of crickets chirping and Spain broadcasting the most obnoxious smile with a bong in his left hand and the detailed explanation of brain functions in his right.

I love Earth.

I was listening to Cowherd yesterday and he was saying that next year could be the best FA coaching class of all time. Some of the coaches he mentioned:

Lovie Smith

Bill Parcels

Bill Cowher

Marty Schottenheimer

Jim Mora Jr.

Here's the update as I know..

Cowherd - idiot.

Lovie Smith - working on extension.

Bill Parcels - soooo not going to coach.

Bill Cowher - sooo not going to be a Bengals coach.

Marty Schottenheimer - alright released he's staying from Chargers management.

Jim Mora Jr. - already joined the Seahawks

Cowherd - still an idiot. :D

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