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What's the reasoning for keeping Chuck?


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Denver's defense was ranked 14th in the NFL and they fired their defensive coordinator. I just don't see why the Bengals keep Chuck. I watched the games last week, and everyone seems to get pressure on the qb. They don't just play prevent defense. I don't understand why the Bengals can never, ever have a good defense.

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The only way I can justify it is that he has simply been dealt a bad hand.

You have Pollack and Thurman...first and second round picks that were practically gone all season. You have Williams' injury last year. This season you have Tory James and Deltha playing like crap, which you can't completely pin on Chuck after seeing what Deltha did last season. You have Sam Adams playing hurt all year. Dexter Jackson was hurt and hobbled for parts of the season.

Like most fans, I feel the defense underachieved. The question is how much of it Lewis feels is the fault of the DC and how much was just bad karma.

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Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors.

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Who knows why Chuck is still here. Sure we may have injuries, sure they may have a couple of free agent busts, but the lack of a defensive identity falls on his shoulders. The weak and submissive gameplans for the Indy/Atlanta games should fall on his shoulders. The constant poor scheming of 3rd and long plays should fall on his shoulders. The lack of progress made in 2 seasons as a unit should fall on his shoulders.

I can't honestly think of one reason Chuck is still here, maybe because the Bengals want some continuity, well most of his defensive staff has been here for 4 years and the defense has not improved.

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Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors.

But Rich Gannon got them into that Super Bowl and this year's team was a top ranked defense without Chucky.

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Then the Bengals need a simpler scheme. The Pats have people on defense coming and going like an airport and they are always good. Explain how they have Artrell Hawkins and Asante Samuel playing like Deion and Rod Woodson. Scheme!Scheme!Scheme!

That's a gross overstatement. The strength of the Pats D is its line and linebackers, where they clearly have about ten times the talent of the Bengals. Their secondary is so-so; they gave up 3,203 yards through the air in '06 (12th) which is a lot closer to 16th (3,256) than 11th (3,116).

If 70 tackles and a pick makes Artrell into Deion, then after his season K2 ought to be a Hall of Fame shoo-in, eh? As for Samuel, yeah, he's had a breakout year. It happens. But if it were all scheme, why did he never have more than 3 picks in any of his first three years?

Chuck is still here because, while his gameplanning may often suck, so do all too many of his quote players unquote.

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This is the most simple answer there could be, Marvin's arrogance/pride. Marvin got rid of Frazier despite the improvement of the defense under Frazier, citing "philosophical differences." Then he brings in Bresh with the attachment that they have the same view of how a defense should be schemed. Hence, if Marvin was to fire Bresh at this point, he would be doing two things, admitting he is wrong and admitting his scheme isn't the one the Bengals need. Marvin is way too strong headed to do this. He is going to ride this thing out with Bresh until one of three things happen, Mike Brown TELLS him to fire Bresh, Marvin himself gets fired, or the defense turns things around.

Personally I will be expecting number one to happen when Mikey boy gets tired of coming so close to the top of the mountain and failing because of the defense.

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Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors.

Sure, Chuck's been to the Super Bowl. So what? Trent Dilfer *won* a Super Bowl. Also, Chucky Bresnehan's defense got burned repeatedly by Chucky Gruden's rather mediocre offense in that game.

Personally, I've never liked his defenses. He doesn't vary things enough in the game, and worse, he completely lacks the willingness or ability to make in-game adjustments (like against the Colts). That's what separates the best coaches from those less able or more arrogant: what do you do when it's clear your scheme isn't working? Well, if you're Chuck, you do nothing. Yay!

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There's a talent issue on the Bengals' D, but the majority of teams can claim that.

Stop making excuses for Chucky.

Oakland didn't even want him. Like Alexander people openly make jokes about him in NFL circles.

What Marvin sees in him is beyond me. There are better coordinators out there.

But if we have to live with him, I can only hope they figure it out this off-season and become more consistent. Keeping the same system in place over several years is important at least. But I don't see how ANYBODY can be impressed with a 30th ranked defense every year. Since when is a coordinator/coach not responsible for that?

And for supposably having talent issues - you Chuck lovers sure do want to keep the current players sans one or two pretty badly.

Justin, Tory, Simmons, Ratliff, Caleb, Thornton, Robinson - all need to go and be upgraded. The rest I can live with.

Get rid of Mr. assistant head coach Paul Alexander too.

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And now the Giants have also fired Tim Lewis. I am completely and officially in the camp of a change is needed for us ... and adding another Lewis to the coaching staff would be just fine by me!

Noooooo....we need another Johnson or two.

Oh, come on now. I think a handful of Johnsons with a Palmer to guide them is more than any team should ever need.

... also makes me sort of chuckle that a team from Pissburgh, known as the Black N Urine, would hire a guy named Whiz. Seems rather fitting.

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As much as I rag on the defense for their poor play, I can't hang the blame on Chuck. This is his first season with this rag tag bunch of players. I feel they made progress this year, at least by playing tougher against the run.

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Then the Bengals need a simpler scheme. The Pats have people on defense coming and going like an airport and they are always good. Explain how they have Artrell Hawkins and Asante Samuel playing like Deion and Rod Woodson. Scheme!Scheme!Scheme!

ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!

Look what Marginal guys the Patriots use on the o- line, at wide out and as D backs... and they win their division and the superbowl

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