walzav29 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Denver's defense was ranked 14th in the NFL and they fired their defensive coordinator. I just don't see why the Bengals keep Chuck. I watched the games last week, and everyone seems to get pressure on the qb. They don't just play prevent defense. I don't understand why the Bengals can never, ever have a good defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 The only way I can justify it is that he has simply been dealt a bad hand. You have Pollack and Thurman...first and second round picks that were practically gone all season. You have Williams' injury last year. This season you have Tory James and Deltha playing like crap, which you can't completely pin on Chuck after seeing what Deltha did last season. You have Sam Adams playing hurt all year. Dexter Jackson was hurt and hobbled for parts of the season.Like most fans, I feel the defense underachieved. The question is how much of it Lewis feels is the fault of the DC and how much was just bad karma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Does stupidity count as reasoning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Who knows why Chuck is still here. Sure we may have injuries, sure they may have a couple of free agent busts, but the lack of a defensive identity falls on his shoulders. The weak and submissive gameplans for the Indy/Atlanta games should fall on his shoulders. The constant poor scheming of 3rd and long plays should fall on his shoulders. The lack of progress made in 2 seasons as a unit should fall on his shoulders.I can't honestly think of one reason Chuck is still here, maybe because the Bengals want some continuity, well most of his defensive staff has been here for 4 years and the defense has not improved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Then the Bengals need a simpler scheme. The Pats have people on defense coming and going like an airport and they are always good. Explain how they have Artrell Hawkins and Asante Samuel playing like Deion and Rod Woodson. Scheme!Scheme!Scheme! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors.But Rich Gannon got them into that Super Bowl and this year's team was a top ranked defense without Chucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Then the Bengals need a simpler scheme. The Pats have people on defense coming and going like an airport and they are always good. Explain how they have Artrell Hawkins and Asante Samuel playing like Deion and Rod Woodson. Scheme!Scheme!Scheme!That's a gross overstatement. The strength of the Pats D is its line and linebackers, where they clearly have about ten times the talent of the Bengals. Their secondary is so-so; they gave up 3,203 yards through the air in '06 (12th) which is a lot closer to 16th (3,256) than 11th (3,116).If 70 tackles and a pick makes Artrell into Deion, then after his season K2 ought to be a Hall of Fame shoo-in, eh? As for Samuel, yeah, he's had a breakout year. It happens. But if it were all scheme, why did he never have more than 3 picks in any of his first three years?Chuck is still here because, while his gameplanning may often suck, so do all too many of his quote players unquote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 This is the most simple answer there could be, Marvin's arrogance/pride. Marvin got rid of Frazier despite the improvement of the defense under Frazier, citing "philosophical differences." Then he brings in Bresh with the attachment that they have the same view of how a defense should be schemed. Hence, if Marvin was to fire Bresh at this point, he would be doing two things, admitting he is wrong and admitting his scheme isn't the one the Bengals need. Marvin is way too strong headed to do this. He is going to ride this thing out with Bresh until one of three things happen, Mike Brown TELLS him to fire Bresh, Marvin himself gets fired, or the defense turns things around.Personally I will be expecting number one to happen when Mikey boy gets tired of coming so close to the top of the mountain and failing because of the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 10, 2007 Report Share Posted January 10, 2007 Sometimes the problem is not the Coordinator. There are many other reasons that a defense will play poorly. Now, yes, there are genius coordinators... and Chuck has been to the Superbowl. So, maybe he is close to genius. Injury, poor free agent pan outs before Chuck`s reign, inept offensive performance... all could be factors.Sure, Chuck's been to the Super Bowl. So what? Trent Dilfer *won* a Super Bowl. Also, Chucky Bresnehan's defense got burned repeatedly by Chucky Gruden's rather mediocre offense in that game.Personally, I've never liked his defenses. He doesn't vary things enough in the game, and worse, he completely lacks the willingness or ability to make in-game adjustments (like against the Colts). That's what separates the best coaches from those less able or more arrogant: what do you do when it's clear your scheme isn't working? Well, if you're Chuck, you do nothing. Yay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 3rd and 17 against Atlanta, you rush 3 and drop 8 against MVick...that was enough for me to get on the fire Chuck bandwagon...he uses the same blitz over and over... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 There's a talent issue on the Bengals' D, but the majority of teams can claim that.Stop making excuses for Chucky.Oakland didn't even want him. Like Alexander people openly make jokes about him in NFL circles.What Marvin sees in him is beyond me. There are better coordinators out there. But if we have to live with him, I can only hope they figure it out this off-season and become more consistent. Keeping the same system in place over several years is important at least. But I don't see how ANYBODY can be impressed with a 30th ranked defense every year. Since when is a coordinator/coach not responsible for that?And for supposably having talent issues - you Chuck lovers sure do want to keep the current players sans one or two pretty badly.Justin, Tory, Simmons, Ratliff, Caleb, Thornton, Robinson - all need to go and be upgraded. The rest I can live with.Get rid of Mr. assistant head coach Paul Alexander too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Justin, Tory, Simmons, Ratliff, Caleb, Thornton, Robinson - all need to go and be upgraded. The rest I can live with.But it's all Chuckys fault. There's a reason I no longer take you seriously, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 What do you get when you put a great jockey on a slow horse?Your need players to make your schemes work.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cover2 Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 "Personally I will be expecting number one to happen when Mikey boy gets tired of coming so close to the top of the mountain and failing because of the defense."I am not so sure this is what Mikey Boy wants....with Mikey its always about the business! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 What Marvin sees in him is beyond me. There are better coordinators out there. Ball boys probbley make more then him so mikey likes to keep him around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 I believe someone else on this board stated that some other crappy player/coach (might have been Tory regarding his starting spot) maintained his job here because he was affording Marvin sexual favors. Perhaps this is another example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 And now the Giants have also fired Tim Lewis. I am completely and officially in the camp of a change is needed for us ... and adding another Lewis to the coaching staff would be just fine by me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 And now the Giants have also fired Tim Lewis. I am completely and officially in the camp of a change is needed for us ... and adding another Lewis to the coaching staff would be just fine by me!Noooooo....we need another Johnson or two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duus Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 And now the Giants have also fired Tim Lewis. I am completely and officially in the camp of a change is needed for us ... and adding another Lewis to the coaching staff would be just fine by me!Noooooo....we need another Johnson or two.Oh, come on now. I think a handful of Johnsons with a Palmer to guide them is more than any team should ever need.... also makes me sort of chuckle that a team from Pissburgh, known as the Black N Urine, would hire a guy named Whiz. Seems rather fitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 11, 2007 Report Share Posted January 11, 2007 Who needs defense...it's for losers it's all about offense see colts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 As much as I rag on the defense for their poor play, I can't hang the blame on Chuck. This is his first season with this rag tag bunch of players. I feel they made progress this year, at least by playing tougher against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 The amazing thing about Tim Lewis being fired by the Giants is how he is only a few days removed from interviewing with the Dolphins for their head coaching job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsdoc Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 Then the Bengals need a simpler scheme. The Pats have people on defense coming and going like an airport and they are always good. Explain how they have Artrell Hawkins and Asante Samuel playing like Deion and Rod Woodson. Scheme!Scheme!Scheme!ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!Look what Marginal guys the Patriots use on the o- line, at wide out and as D backs... and they win their division and the superbowl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spor_tees Posted January 12, 2007 Report Share Posted January 12, 2007 The amazing thing about Tim Lewis being fired by the Giants is how he is only a few days removed from interviewing with the Dolphins for their head coaching job.One man's trash is another man's treasure. *Cough* Kitna *Cough* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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