I've never seen a team more consistently outcoached

[wolfitup]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

Your right. I get it now. Lets see if we can go hire a coach that can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro receiver not to drop passes that him in the chest. While we are at it lets see if he can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro QB to throw the ball accurately to wide open receivers.

When I screw up at work its because by supervisor didn't properly motivate me that morning. Even though I have been working there for many years and have received multiple efficiency awards. The next time I screw up at work I will ask to have my supervisor replaced. Obviously, if he could have kept me focused I would have continued to do the same superior work that I have done in the past.

I like your take on "things" better. What personal professional responsibility? Its my supervisor and or managers fault I screwed up.

If you continue to screw up then its your supervisors fault

Even if I have been selected as a "High Achiever" by my peers for like the 3rd or 4th year in a row, and I screwed up doing a very basic task an intern can do.

[HoTbOy]

I swear I feel that almost every week, that the Bengals don't make the right adjustments at halftime...to many times this year I have saw, the Bengals do some good things in the 1st half and try to do the same things in the 2nd half and they don't work...this has been happening for a while not just this year...especially on D the other teams make better adjustments to what we are doing than the adjustments we make for the other team...

[Stripes]

How does this day start without Darren Simmons being fired? I know its Christmas but what the hey?

in a span of about 10 seconds the Bengals botched a snap to tie the game, was called for offsides on a kickoff (in which we recovered) then was confused on a kickoff so they called a timeout and after the timeout they thought it would be a good idea to try and get cute and kick the ball high and deep to end the game.

Up until this year I've never seen a team call a timeout on a kickoff but the Bengals have done it multiple times.

Darren Simmons should not be fired, he is one of our best assistant coaches. Might as well toss Hue Jackson and Paul Alexander in the fire while we're at it, eh?

[Spor_tees]

Let's throw out this game, ok?

Look at the 3rd QUARTER points scored this season. Someone give me the total.

Now when when we look at that total we can conclude that this team is OUTCOACHED in the 2nd half, this will support my thread topic that this team is consistenly outcoached in the 2nd half.....all year.

So we can agree the Bengals weren't outcoached today. That's all I really care about at this point in time...... in a game where if we win we are in. Don't tell me about 3rd quarter points and one decent reverse play. The Bengals defense played more than well enough to win this game. 4 Turnovers, several missed plays and opportunities offensively. Today our Jimmy's and Joes killed us not our X's and O's.

So you are saying coaching has nothing to do with motivation and focus? Last time I checked that was what everyone said Marvin Lewis brought to this team that made him such a great coach. Problem is, as someone said in another thread, he doesn't seem to have the ability to motivate his team to play well and be focused for the big games. And this has especially been true when coming out after half time. There is no other excuse than lack of intensity, discipline, motivation, and focus, that a team with the high powered offense that the Bengals have, that they can only score 58 (20 of those against Oakland and Cleveland) third quarter points all year long out of the total 356 points scored for the season. That means only 16% of their points are scored in the third quarter, when they should be coming out and putting away teams they are beating after half time, instead they are letting teams come out and blow them away or get back into the game.

You can try to say the coaches didn't drop the balls, fumble the balls, or make the bad snaps, but those are mental errors, not physical ones. These guys are pros for a reason, and it's not because they fumble all the time, drop passes all the time, or make bad snaps all the time. When all these things come together in one game that the playoffs ride on the line, that means one thing, the coaches are not doing their job of keeping the players focused.

Enough said.

Your right. I get it now. Lets see if we can go hire a coach that can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro receiver not to drop passes that him in the chest. While we are at it lets see if he can "motivate" and "focus" an All-Pro QB to throw the ball accurately to wide open receivers.

When I screw up at work its because by supervisor didn't properly motivate me that morning. Even though I have been working there for many years and have received multiple efficiency awards. The next time I screw up at work I will ask to have my supervisor replaced. Obviously, if he could have kept me focused I would have continued to do the same superior work that I have done in the past.

I like your take on "things" better. What personal professional responsibility? Its my supervisor and or managers fault I screwed up.

It's not about screwing up in your everyday job. It's about screwing up what you normally are so good at, during a game that is important. Anybody can be focused during a Brown's game when the Brown's are 2-6 or whatever, but when you are playing at home in the play-offs for the first time in over a decade, or on Monday night at Indy with play-off hopes on the line, or at Denver with a play-off berth on the line with a win, and you are just "off", that is about focus. That sir is not the same as just making a mistake at your job, and yes is the coaches fault.

[Storm]

How does this day start without Darren Simmons being fired? I know its Christmas but what the hey?

in a span of about 10 seconds the Bengals botched a snap to tie the game, was called for offsides on a kickoff (in which we recovered) then was confused on a kickoff so they called a timeout and after the timeout they thought it would be a good idea to try and get cute and kick the ball high and deep to end the game.

Up until this year I've never seen a team call a timeout on a kickoff but the Bengals have done it multiple times.

Darren Simmons should not be fired, he is one of our best assistant coaches. Might as well toss Hue Jackson and Paul Alexander in the fire while we're at it, eh?

Whatever Mrs Simmons

[Stripes]

How does this day start without Darren Simmons being fired? I know its Christmas but what the hey?

in a span of about 10 seconds the Bengals botched a snap to tie the game, was called for offsides on a kickoff (in which we recovered) then was confused on a kickoff so they called a timeout and after the timeout they thought it would be a good idea to try and get cute and kick the ball high and deep to end the game.

Up until this year I've never seen a team call a timeout on a kickoff but the Bengals have done it multiple times.

Darren Simmons should not be fired, he is one of our best assistant coaches. Might as well toss Hue Jackson and Paul Alexander in the fire while we're at it, eh?

Whatever Mrs Simmons

If you'd prefer we fumble punt returns and give up touchdowns on special teams multiple times throughout the season than miss one extra point (completely beyond Simmons' control), then go ahead and send Marvin some hate mail. After he has crumpled up the letter and trashed it, Simmons will resume his duties.

[jjakq27]

..Most of the game I was happy with our defense besides the 99yard drive we gave up....but it hardly got any help from the offense today.

Just like the Tampa game.

[COB]

I can hardly believe someone would scream for Marvin's head. He took this team from a joke to a contender. Offensive line injuries, and draft picks that failed to produce have more to do with this season than any deficiency in coaching. The market speaks loudest. Who is on the market right now, or will be available in the near future that is better? And if Marvin were to leave or get fired, how long would he be unemployed? About a week. I believe there would be multiple NFL and NCAA Div. 1 programs that would get in line to hire him. The defensive coaching is suspect. But even with the existing scheme, they can produce. Look at what the called blitzes and stunts did in the early part of the Denver game, before they went back to vanilla. I"m more worried about Palmer than anything else. Hopefully he'll be back to himself next year. The last two games definitely weren't the Palmer I expect to see. New defensive coordinator, ok, but only if he is a definite upgrade. If Cowher leaves Pittsburgh, Dick LeBeau comes to mind.

[jjakq27]

If Cowher leaves Pittsburgh, Dick LeBeau comes to mind.

I agree.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

In the NFL, with the parity, it IS all about coaching. Something the Bengals' are lacking I think at this point. It's why Shannahan's inferior team beat the Bengals' by a hair Sunday with a rookie QB. They didn't kill themselves over and over again.

Poorly disciplined and motivated players are a direct result of coaching. Poor game plans and execution are the ultimate responsibility of the coaches.

Whatever the Bengals' staff is not doing well, they need to make changes or fix it in the off-season.

I have no more excuses left for Marvin and his crew - they have underachieved the last 3 years, despite having some of the best core talent in the league the entire time.

9-7 considering the schedule and circumstances is not horrible - it's a fixable situation, but you can't keep saying "next year."