Btrester151 Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Vilma with the 24th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Actually, this is a great trade for the team. Hell, it's almost worth it if it was just an extra pick in the 4th...The team is now in a better position to draft the best player available instead of a need pick...I think we may very well see a linebacker picked now, but I still say d-line all the way....but I wouldn't be surprised to see them trade down again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrishcovga Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 I think there are 3-4 players there that Marvin and Co. are looking strongly at getting. 1. Antwan Odom. - Duane Clemons is a solid player, but age, and contract are working against him. Odom has size,speed, and can play the run very well. 2. Darnell Docket - Marvin was very impressed with him during the Senior Bowl workouts, and game. Randy Starks if there could be an option as well.3. Vilma/Williams - Team basically solidified the linebackers by moving Hardy back to the strong side, but Questions remain about Webster. 4. Ben Troupe/Ben Watson - For as long as the "Mocks" have been posted, Denver was picked to get a Tight end there. Considering that Cincy' has no real stud at the position with a young Quarterback, Don't be surprised to see one of these players wearing stripes.! or at least a big " B " ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Heck, ya never know, we may get someone we were talking about at 17. Drug Store List's latest mock had Starks falling to the donks at 24...pick up an extra 4th, a possible starting CB and still get Starks...? I'll take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonFnKitna Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Am i the only one who thinks this was a stupid trade?We are now out of any hopes of getting a top teir player in round 1 who can start from day 1. Will Smith, Udeze, Wilfork, Hall, Robinson. Any chances of any of them making it to our pick is gone. Deltha O'Neal is a BAD cornerback. He had one good game one year and everyone things hes good. Terrible trade in my book.You sir, are an idiot.Deltha Oneil was a probowl corner before fans votes were being used online. He had 2 great seasons coming into the league. Then, he had a couple bad games and Shannahan decided since he'd had injuries to his top 2 receivers he would convert Deltha to offense. Deltha didn't like it, wasn't ready for it, had never done it, and failed. He had 1 bad season in which he was benched because he and Shannahan didn't get along.He's going to be great here and will be back in the pro bowl this season. Keep telling yourself that man. Make yourself feel better.When you are ready to join me in the real world just say so. O'Neil's 9 interception year included 4 ints in one game. Which is why i said he had 1 good game and people think he is good. Take that game out, and he had 5 ints that year, after being thrown against and burned in every game. He gave up 5 tds early this year before being benched, this guy is burned more then hawkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 this guy is burned more then hawkins. Is it possible to be burned more than Toast? Isn't that sort of like saying that someone is "dumber than Patrick from Spongebob"? But...let's for the moment assume that he does suck. In that case, the most likely scenario is that Weathersby beats him out for the starter's job (which I would be completely thrilled to see) and Deltha ends up as a return guy and nickle back (and even the most ardent Toast-haters like me admit he's a good nickle back). In other words, worst case scenario is that O'Neal is a lateral move at CB who provides the same depth that keeping Toast or Burris would have -- and we pick up an extra 4th for the trouble of taking him (versus an extra nothing for keeping one of our own sucky CBs). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 i think he has an upside more than hawkins. Did hawkins ever have a game with 4 picks? at least he has potential. First time reading all day, man i spent a hour catchin up hehMy opinion on the matter, i like it. wanna know why i like it? cuz we get a young corner, that might not be great, but can add depth to our secondary, as well as adding an extra 4th, and we STILL get a first rounder. How is that a bad trade? Oneal is a big corner, he is what ML has wanted. We now have shored up our secondary, but our DL is still a major problem. I doubt we draft a DL in round one now. Im guessing ML will do best available, and that might be on offense or a Linebacker or mb another corner. Oneal i didnt really care for, but he is better than what we had, which was nothing. and come on man, we STILL have a first rounder, and not like 17th was that great of a spot. Its in the middle, which means, all the top talent is gone, and the leftover talent is given to 17-30. and we are still in that mix. go bengals!! BTW our FA just went up to a C- from a D-(yes billy i changed it ). I wont give it a B or a A because we still have holes to fill, and the draft will be the holefiller i hope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 also, joisey i disagree with you. I do not like oneal as a return man. I say keep watson and johnson as kick returners and keep warrick as punt returner. Out in vegas I saw a ton of bronco games, and I dont think i ever saw him break a tackle on a return...and i saw him muff a few up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 The Bengals-Broncs 2003 season opener provides a good example of O'Neal breaking tackles during a punt return. It also shows O'Neal getting burnt like toast by the CHAD for a TD.All the same, O'Neal looks better than the options for 1st round CB picks and frees the pick up for DT, DE, or best player left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 It also shows O'Neal getting burnt like toast by the CHAD for a TD.All the same, O'Neal looks better than the options for 1st round CB picks and frees the pick up for DT, DE, or best player left. Well I wouldn't call being burnt by Chad such a bad thing. He WILL be the premier receiver in the league with Carson feeding him the ball! I can just feel it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 The CHAD already IS the premiere receiver in the AFC! If he can burn McAlister, Newman, Vincent, Madison, and Bailey next year for TDs, he will be a NFL GOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 also, joisey i disagree with you. I do not like oneal as a return man. I say keep watson and johnson as kick returners and keep warrick as punt returner. Out in vegas I saw a ton of bronco games, and I dont think i ever saw him break a tackle on a return...and i saw him muff a few up. Well, if you want to talk about muffs let me introduce to you to this fellow named Peter Warrick (and let's not talk about that other guy whose initials are "TJ"). Fuggit, let 'em battle it out in camp and preseason. If Deltha proves to be the best guy, let him go. If not, then put someone else out there. I think that in this case, competition is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 The CHAD already IS the premiere receiver in the AFC! If he can burn McAlister, Newman, Vincent, Madison, and Bailey next year for TDs, he will be a NFL GOD! Y'know, apropos of nothing, looking at "CHAD" it occured to me that it's an acronym: Can Haul A$$ Downfield. How could so many teams pass on this guy??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Jester Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 this guy is burned more then hawkins.Is it possible to be burned more than Toast? Isn't that sort of like saying that someone is "dumber than Patrick from Spongebob"? But...let's for the moment assume that he does suck. In that case, the most likely scenario is that Weathersby beats him out for the starter's job (which I would be completely thrilled to see) and Deltha ends up as a return guy and nickle back (and even the most ardent Toast-haters like me admit he's a good nickle back). In other words, worst case scenario is that O'Neal is a lateral move at CB who provides the same depth that keeping Toast or Burris would have -- and we pick up an extra 4th for the trouble of taking him (versus an extra nothing for keeping one of our own sucky CBs). Perfect. Well said. Nothing to add, just wanted to agree publicly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 some people you just can't win withEverybody and their moms bitched about our CB situation, not getting Vincent or Taylor, unproven rookie starting blah blah blah, I like this trade...we stockpile more picks...this is straight from the Baltimore book....I think we can get a DT (Dockett or Starks) with our 24th...oddly enough, just like last year, it always works out huh?BY the way, that signature is dope as hell ^ ^ ^ ^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 hell yea i love dockett hes really fast and would be good for pass rushing and starks would be good for the run game so either one would be good. i saw somewhere that we could even take that tight end ben troupe from florida but that was only one place. man im stoked about this years draft so many players to choose from even in the third round that dt from hawaii isaac sopoaga might be there hes huge and was the strongest guy in the draft this year they say. i wouldnt mind a defensive end somewhere to but whatever we take will be great i cant wait. great move marvin i love it i liked deltha oneal from the start and think he will be great i like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MM Jester Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 BY the way, that signature is dope as hell ^ ^ ^ ^ Thanks man!...I take it you likey the Kelley Washington pic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 man our defensive might be explosive and fast next year....im liking it.also, kelley was right...that sig is pretty dope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbengals1 Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 kelley was right...that sig is pretty dope. hell yea its cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indycat Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 The O'Neal deal is another great offseason move by the Marvin Lewis regime.SO far we haven't mortgaged our future with big name past they're prime free agents yet we still improved our linebakers, safeties, cornerbacks, and got 6 picks in the first 117 of the draft.Haven't seen this much good personel management since the 80's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 From Bengals.com:Bengals trade for Pro Bowl corner4/9/2004 -In one fell swoop Friday, the Bengals got a Pro Bowl cornerback, picked up a fourth-round draft pick, and still remained in prime position in the first round of the NFL Draft. Late Thursday night, Cincinnati completed a trade with Denver in which they swapped first-round picks and the Broncos gave the Bengals cornerback Deltha O’Neal and a fourth-rounder to move up from No. 24 to No. 17 in the first round.WOW! Didn't see that coming. Things were too quiet recently. It was like last year during FA when they signed James and Thornton all at once. Ever think that the Vincent/Taylor situations were smoke screens by the Bengals. Maybe we played them rather than us getting played. Since they were looking at ONeill since February.I think they will not stay at 24 though. I get the feeling that they might move up as part of a Dillon trade scenario or may trade that pick to get a lower 1st round pick and another 2nd or third. I like that they a stocking up on picks. Look at what New England has done. They always seem to have extra picks every year and are able to move around or trade them for extra picks for the next year. So no matter where they finish, they always have the capability of moving up.The question is what do they take with that pick?? DT or CB?Happy Easter to all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenbergMan Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 While you are reading this remind yourself that I am a bengal fan. Chad has some work do to before he can burn Mcalister, who IMHO is the best cover corner in the league. Last time they played Mcalister shut him down badly. I think his first and only catch came in the 3rd qtr and it was for about 8 yds. Chad will improve and will be able to burn pretty much everyone in the league but he's not at that level yet. However he has a long time to reach that level and he will soon but he got shut down when we needed him last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Last time they played Mcalister shut him down badly. I think his first and only catch came in the 3rd qtr and it was for about 8 yds. Yeah, I'm remembering you're a Bengal fan, but I think you're forgetting the ferocious pass rush put on Kitna during those games, not giving him time nor Chad the opportunity to finish his routes. I attribute that more to Kitna crumbling under pressure than McAllisters coverage, which I will admit he plays better than most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevnz Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 While you are reading this remind yourself that I am a bengal fan. Chad has some work do to before he can burn Mcalister, who IMHO is the best cover corner in the league. Last time they played Mcalister shut him down badly. I think his first and only catch came in the 3rd qtr and it was for about 8 yds. Chad will improve and will be able to burn pretty much everyone in the league but he's not at that level yet. However he has a long time to reach that level and he will soon but he got shut down when we needed him last year. Two words for that "Ed Reed" Please, McCalister had a double team on Chad nearly every single down....That's not shutting Chad down, that's taking him away, the pass rush did the rest of the damage cause Kit couldn't get the ball to anybody else.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 BY the way, that signature is dope as hell ^ ^ ^ ^Thanks man!...I take it you likey the Kelley Washington pic? The whole thing actually....I'm tempted to just steal the whole thing from you...lol...j/k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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