One Carry Perry

[MacD BengalFan]

Chris Perry was never a true kick returner. He was back there because of his speed and Tab Perry not being on able to play. I hope that Marvin decides to not let him catch another kick of any sort due to his inability to catch and hang on to them.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Chris Perry is a better running back than Kenny Watson.

He's yet to prove that, or anything else for that matter.

[Kazkal]

Diden't really miss out on Steven Jackson sense we traded down to get oneal?

I'm more then happy with Oneal and jackson would have been wasted here who is more rudi clone.

Though Oneal + kevin jones would be nice

[HairOnFire]

It should be noted that as the boards foremost Chris Perry basher I didn't need one more reason to hate him, but that's exactly what I got. Obviously a game isn't won or lost on the opeing kickoff, but the fumbled return put the Bengals in a deep hole against a team that doesn't surrender points easily.

That said, I'm pretty sure Perry hasn't returned kickoffs since high school and I'm not really in the mood to bash a player for not doing well what he wasn't expected to do at all. So all I'll add to this miserable thread is this.

I'm already on record stating that I wanted Reggie McNeil back there.

[TJJackson]

No, no, you are no better than a distant pretender to the throne of Chris Perry haters.

Kneel before your better :-)

[Stripes]

Chris Perry is a better running back than Kenny Watson.

He's yet to prove that, or anything else for that matter.

I'd say he proved it last season by coming within four catches of the frachise record for running backs.

He's had injury problems yes, and I've spent many posts bashing him with everyone else... but as an NFL running back talent, I really don't think Kenny Watson is even close.

[nechemia]

All Hail One Carry Perry

May he never get more than one carry a game from now on...we can't afford any more of them

Shut the F up, its hard to do much when you get two carries a game, they just refuse to give him a chance. If Rudi would just please tweak a hamstring or something we would all finally see how much better C.Perry is than Rudi J. and hence, how much better our offense would be

[GapControl]

Hey... we are 4 and 4 and 2 games out of 1st place. We are not 2-6 like Pittsburgh or the Browns. Take a chill pill people. This is a Bengalbashing thread if I ever read one. Of course Perry can`t catch any passes or run for decent gain if the offensive line acts and looks like swiss cheese. Perry can only be blamed for the fumble if anything. Like others said, the man is filling in for an injured player. And Rudi can`t take 35 carries every game anyway.

[BengalPimp]

I've lost most of my faith in Marvin since this past off-season and the end of last season when his team tanked and could beat a decent team to save their life, added to all the other issues.

They've now lost 4 of 5, and all we hear from him is "you have to do your job, and we need to get better."

I feel like l'm listening to Dick Lebeau all over again.

I've never seen a head coach bust out that stupid smile like he does after losing 4 of 5 games.

How pathetic. Just sick of his arrogance and the mediocrity that people are accepting here these days.

I don't even want to hear more excuses about injuries, as Chad said - that had nothing to do with why they lost the last two games at this point.

would you rather they re-hire Shula to go 3-13 or 4-12? Marvin doesnt play the games and cant prevent players from getting injured, and as for what Chad said..... sure, he knows why they lost..cuz he didn t get 15 catches for 200 yards and 3 TD's..he can blame a couple of off passes, but to listen to him and throw to him in double coverage when he CANT free himself Is just plain stupid...do you think they Dont want to throw to him? of course they do, but not if he cant get open...Chad is a Great WR, but Instead of complaining, He just needs to call Steve Smith and ask him how he still GETS OPEN when he is double/triple covered and the Defenses know he is Go-To guy and one of the top WR's in the league, If he can do it, Chad should be able to as well !!!

Oh yeah, and as for the injuries not being a reason why they lost the last 2 games, I'm sure that Jones,Braham,Pollack,Simmons,Washington,Tab Perry, and Kaesviharn(last game) wouldnt have made a difference...whether they had an opportunity to win those games or not, with those players(or just a certain few) those games wouldnt have even been that close for people to blame 1 or 2 plays...bengals would have had comfortable leads

[BengalPimp]

We can only hope he starts earning the monicker "No Carry Perry" soon - the sooner, the better

You are an Idiot...you start the topic, then post about 10 more times as to how "that one single carry meant the difference between a win and a loss"

1) It wasnt even a carry, moron, it was a kickoff return, he recovered the fumble on his carry, so that wasnt even a factor.

2) That was only the 2nd game (atlanta was the first) in which he returned a kick since HIGH SCHOOL, and there is a reason the majority of Kick Returners are WR's )SPEED AND HANDS) Perry is quick and has good hands for a RB, but he doesnt have WR hands his hands are used to catching swing and short passes.

3) IF YOU THINK THE GAME IS WON OR LOST ON THE OPENING KICKOFF...WHY THE HELL DO THEY PLAY THE OTHER 59+ MINUTES MORON

[TJJackson]

He carried the ball....at least until a Raven hit him, that is....

I don't care whether it was his 2nd game or his 20th or his 2,000th. His job is to carry the ball. The job is the same regardless of experience.

The game was effectively over within the first few minutes. The Bengals never led.

Given your lackwitted comments, I take it as a compliment that you consider me a moron. So thanks! :-) You've made my day.

[BengalPimp]

He carried the ball....at least until a Raven hit him, that is....

I don't care whether it was his 2nd game or his 20th or his 2,000th. His job is to carry the ball. The job is the same regardless of experience.

The game was effectively over within the first few minutes. The Bengals never led.

Given your lackwitted comments, I take it as a compliment that you consider me a moron. So thanks! :-) You've made my day.

lackwitted? You have obviously never worn a Jockstrap in your Life.....If you had, you would NEVER....EVER say that a game was effectively over within the first few minutes....THEY PLAY 4 QTRS....60 MINUTES....I used the word moron because I was trying to be kind, but quite honestly, your type of thinking is beyond Moronic...

You further prove that by stating "The job is the same regardless of experience" maybe the "job duties" are the same but if you knew ANYTHING AT ALL you would know that PERFORMANCE IMPROVES WITH EXPERIENCE AND REPETITION.....so far beyond moronic its comical LOL

[TJJackson]

Do you even know what "effectively over" means?

Did the Bengals ever overcome the difference and get ahead that game?

(clue: no to both)

The job *IS* the same regardless of experience. Tell me, do you think the coaches would tell a rookie player who is about to return a punt "it's ok if you fumble - you're just a rookie" - or do they expect a good return and no fumble, just as they would an experienced return man?

(2nd clue: the coaches expect the job to be done and done well, regardless of the experience of the player)

[derekshank]

I'm not really sure why people are trying to defend Perry here. Maybe it's because they've seen glimpses of talent from him, and think that by criticizing him they will find themselves lumped in with the many Chris Perry "haters" that refuse to see any good from him whatsoever.

Whatever the reason, it is silly. I won't put the entire loss on his shoulders, because there are other factors in losing a game. The Interception return was equally damaging... but that doesn't let Perry off the hook either.

Look... if you want to cite that he hasn't returned kicks since highschool - so be it. But it doesn't make much sense. The fact that returning kicks is different than playing the RB position doesn't require more ability to hold on to the ball. There isn't a position on the field that requires a player to hold on to the ball more than a RB, so his two fumbles are inexcusable, regardless of what role he was playing when they occured.

It put the Bengals in an immediate 7 point hole. A 7 point hole immediately changed game plans by both teams, and we never were able to dig ourselves out of it. Being down by 14 allowed the Ravens to play ball-control the entire game... and a lot of the blame (I'd say more than half) goes to Chris Perry.

[Riagogogoindanati]

Even though I'm a female and a former soccer player for over 20years......I don't see the difference between catching and running with the ball from either, a hand-off or returning a kick-off. Once it is in your hands and you are running with it........I think we can all agree, that you should carry that ball like it is your newborn son and protect it as best as you can. Apparently, Perry didn't do the best he could and should be brought up on charges of child endangerment. LOL

It would make more sense if a lineman had the ball and lost it. Afterall, they aren't used to touching the ball.

[schweinhart]

All I can add here to this type chatter is that

Chris

Perry

Sucks

[Ox]

Chris Perry doesn't suck, he just has been a injury prone, rusty under-utilized back. One thing that IS for sure, the dude isn't the savior of this season for sure.

[BengalPimp]

Chris Perry doesn't suck, he just has been a injury prone, rusty under-utilized back. One thing that IS for sure, the dude isn't the savior of this season for sure.

there is no "one player" that can save a season...we need more healthy bodies...plain and simple

The job *IS* the same regardless of experience. Tell me, do you think the coaches would tell a rookie player who is about to return a punt "it's ok if you fumble - you're just a rookie" - or do they expect a good return and no fumble, just as they would an experienced return man?

No, they wouldnt say its Ok to fumble, moron, but they also WOULDNT SAY, and I quote "may be never get more than one carry a game from now on....we cant afford any more of them" Do you think the coaches would say that? huh? moron, huh?

[TJJackson]

No, they wouldnt say its Ok to fumble, moron, but they also WOULDNT SAY, and I quote "may be never get more than one carry a game from now on....we cant afford any more of them" Do you think the coaches would say that? huh? moron, huh?

No, coaches would never say that. Have you somehow decided that I am a Bengals coach? All you did was take the words of a fan (me) and suggest that it'd be ridiculous for a coach to say that. Well, congratulations, you're right - a coach is paid by the team, has signed a contracvt with the league, and is fairly limited in what he can say, particularly since he may be sued by the Players Association for defamation or some such thing.

I am on the other hand a fan. I have signed no contract, and can be more truthful and open. I can say things a coach is contractually bound not so say.

So yes - you're right, a coach would never say that.

Of course, it is a very stupid point to make, kinda like making a big deal of the fact that the sky is blue or water is wet.

You're fond of the word moron. I rather suspect you hear that word a lot, from folks addressing you. Particularly when you defend plays like the fumble on kickoff.

[BengalszoneBilly]

No, no, you are no better than a distant pretender to the throne of Chris Perry haters.

Kneel before your better :-)

Sorry, but I'm confident I hate his "waste of a first round pick" butt more than you. I can STILL hear myself screaming "NOOOOOO!" at the top of my lungs when they announced his name as the number one pick!

[TJJackson]

Your scream may have been loud enough to mask the sound of my TV remote control being hurled through the glass pane of window nearest me when said pick was announced - this mere moments after I was so ECSTATIC that they had traded down and picked up a r4 pick (which would become Robert Geathers).

I likely could not hear you over my own pained shrieks of OH GOD NO! NO! OH PLEASE GOD NO!

Clearly not the very worst Bengals r1 pick ever - there are plenty of more suitable candidates - but quite bad nonetheless

...and besides, your beloved Cardinals got the pick we really needed at the time....Auburn linebacker Karlos Dansby...so your pain was muted....mine was not.

[bengalboomer7]

You are arguing over who was angrier

[BengalPimp]

Particularly when you defend plays like the fumble on kickoff.

[TJJackson]

So did the Perry fumble affect the outcome of the game or not?

It's possible we didn't see the same game.....based on what you are saying here

You may want to watch the Int returned for touchdown again as well.......Carson was not as much at fault as you seem to believe

[Stripes]

Perry's fumble led to seven Baltimore points. Carson's pick/Chad's effort led to seven Baltimore points. The defense on third down led to twelve Baltimore points, and kept the Bengals offense off the field. The Bengals offense on third down was atrocious.

Point fingers as you will, there is no wrong answer.