Calling Bulls**t on the AP

[HoosierCat]

OK, normally I accept that the national media don't have a clue but this crap really takes the cake...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536814/

‘O’ woes: Ravens scoring, but not Bengals

Baltimore’s offense improving under McNair, Billick, while Cincy floundering

Updated: 10:07 p.m. MT Nov 3, 2006

BALTIMORE - The Baltimore Ravens have apparently found the solution to their offensive woes.

The Cincinnati Bengals are still searching.

Not for nothing, AP, but your alleged news organization could use a lesson in Fact-checking 101.

Balti has found the answer to their offensive woes, while the Bengals are floundering? By what measure?

Last week? Bengals O scored 27, Baltimore's scored 21.

For the season? Balti has scored 145. Bengals have scored 155.

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

[tibor75]

OK, normally I accept that the national media don't have a clue but this crap really takes the cake...

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For the season? Balti has scored 145. Bengals have scored 155.

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

Actually that stats show how much in trouble we are. With the RAvens D, scoring 145 is ok. With our horrible and sieve like defense, 155 is horrible.

Gee, that's hard to figure out.

[membengal]

tibor then said:

"Now, where did I put my goat?"

[HoosierCat]

More like, "now, where did I put my brain?"

tibor can whine (and boy, can he whine!) all he wants but the bare fact is that the D is currently in the top half of the league in terms of fewest point allowed, and on course to allow fewer than last season. With a harder sked and fewer top defensive players.

[membengal]

You and your crazy reference to "facts" hoosier...you will cause some goat no end of suffering soon with your logic. Tibor is an angry goat buggerer...

[HoosierCat]

You and your crazy reference to "facts" hoosier...you will cause some goat no end of suffering soon with your logic. Tibor is an angry goat buggerer...

"angry goat buggerer"

[Spor_tees]

Goats are like fat chicks...they need love'n too!

[101Airborne]

You and your crazy reference to "facts" hoosier...you will cause some goat no end of suffering soon with your logic. Tibor is an angry goat buggerer...

I've not been here long enough to fully understand the hatred you have for Tibor but it is damned funny!

Now, on to the man himself: How can the raven's O be on the right track and ours be failing when we are putting up bigger numbers than they are? This is not a question of O vs D, it's a question of our O vs. theirs. The no brainer here is that our D needs to play better, and they will. It seems like every argument you make is somehow referenced back to our D and how much you think it sucks. It's not a championship level D by any means yet but it's still average in the league, not particularly good or particularly bad overall. I'd like to point out that our defense won our games against the Steelers and the Panthers while our O has had problems.

[Stripes]

To your credit, Tibor... you rarely seem to get involved with argument when everyone is dissing you... but yeah shut the f**k up.

[membengal]

He gets no credit. He is the worst kind of troll imaginable. Goat f**ker.

[tibor75]

I'm not even sure if I understand the goat references.

But that's what happens when people can't argue iwth you. They just insult you.

Keep believing this defense is one of the best in the league. Your inability to face reality is comical.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

OK, normally I accept that the national media don't have a clue but this crap really takes the cake...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536814/

‘O’ woes: Ravens scoring, but not Bengals

Baltimore’s offense improving under McNair, Billick, while Cincy floundering

Updated: 10:07 p.m. MT Nov 3, 2006

BALTIMORE - The Baltimore Ravens have apparently found the solution to their offensive woes.

The Cincinnati Bengals are still searching.

Not for nothing, AP, but your alleged news organization could use a lesson in Fact-checking 101.

Balti has found the answer to their offensive woes, while the Bengals are floundering? By what measure?

Last week? Bengals O scored 27, Baltimore's scored 21.

For the season? Balti has scored 145. Bengals have scored 155.

Clueless. Absolutely clueless.

Well now, those are *relative* descriptions. The Bengals' offense is foundering (and also floundering, and halibuting) relative to the stellar performance of last year. Baltimore is finding that the solution to their offensive woes is not, in fact, named Boller.

So it's not clear to me that the AP were saying that Baltimore's offense is good, or better than Cincinnati's. If so, they're idiots. But it seems that Baltimore's offense has improved while ours has gotten worse (though for entirely due to injury), which would be a generous interpretation of the story.

Then again, I noticed this gem:

"Jamal Lewis ran 31 times for 109 yards, both season highs"

That seems real impressive until you do the complex mathematics (ie, division) required to determine that his big 109 yards came at a 3.5 YPC, which is somewhere around the Lamont Jordan line.

So I'll have to concur...nice job AP...morons.

[Stripes]

Keep believing this defense is one of the best in the league. Your inability to face reality is comical.

Way to pull argument material out of your ass. Nobody said that.

[HoosierCat]

But that's what happens when people can't argue iwth you. They just insult you.

Now that's comedy.

tibor, you never make ay kind of argument. No facts, no game references, nothing. All you do is insult a vague "everyone" (or in this case, "people") for being idiots for saying...well...just about anything positive. Nothing with you is ever about the team -- it's just about provoking (and getting the inevitable feeding that all trolls get) Bengals fans on various message boards.

(And oh yes, for those here not familiar with tibor, he's been at this schtick for years, on multiple boards, most notably on the huddles and over at bengalsjungle since huddles went splat.)

Frankly, "angry goat buggerer" is a classier label than you deserve.

Waddya all think?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I don't know why Tibor bothers people so much, if you don't take the bait, nothing happens, and he doesn't attack people personally - the universal rule to maintaining your schtick on bboards i guess. (i think he secretly really likes the Bengals, it's ok)

As for the article - "floundering" is not accurate, I agree, inconsistent, just like the defense, would be better.

11th and 14th over-all in penalties respectively on offense and defense this year so far too - inconsistent and oft penalized are not a formula for success.

The Ravens, the Steelers, the Patriots and Chicago, they have consistent defenses. Bad games like the Bengals' had last week only come once every 5-6 games for those teams defensively - almost 1 out of every 3 for the Bengals', been that way for a long time - it's an organizational/cap priority flaw.

I can't help but to think there's some real weakenesses on this coaching staff, and uh, hope Paul Alexander has to take a college job next year.

[HoosierCat]

11th and 14th over-all in penalties respectively on offense and defense this year so far too - inconsistent and oft penalized are not a formula for success.

What you continue to refuse to make allowances for is the massive disruption cause by injuries and suspensions. When, for example, you have to replace a center who has been with the team since the time of Plato with a fourth-round draft pick...well, guess, what, you're going to have issues. When, for all intents and purposes, you lose your entire starting LB corps and, for several games, your starting SS as well, you're going to have issues.

In short, there are not examples of institutional problems (i.e. Alexander sucks, Bresh sucks, etc.) but situational ones. In short, what you are railing against is the fact that sh*t happens. I can't get into that, because I consider it to be equal to complaining that it rains some days.

Meanwhile, the D everyone complains so much about is currently ranked 19th in yards (tied for best since '02) and 12th in points allowed, which is the best since 1989!. Frankly, this D has been kicking more butt than we have seen kicked in a long time.

Our problems involve a QB still on the mend and an o-line missing 2 out of 5 starters.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Our problems involve a QB still on the mend and an o-line missing 2 out of 5 starters.

Why would I deny that the injuries and suspensions haven't been a factor? I suppose we disagree on the extent that they are a factor. Dexter, Perry and Henry were all starting and healthy last week, they still lost, and Brooks is out-producing Simmons at MLB. Madeiu is back, wasn't last year, etc..,

Why were Whitworth and Guy-chick drafted in the 2-4 rounds, if they are not competent?

O'Callaghan in NE is doing just fine at RT his rookie year as a 5th rounder - exceling in fact.

Why do they have to be 1st rounders here (or virtually so in Steinbach's case) to be decent performers?

Why can't Alexander draft and develop guys not drafted in the 1st round?

Braham was a very average 37 year old center, and Levi gets hurt for periods of time almost every year.

You think they're getting it together, then they suck the next week - the defense is the same way. These are drastic performance differences...which leads me to believe it's a coaching issue. The NFL indeed is all about coaching - there's too much parity and specialization these days. It's not a secret!

I am very concerned about tomorrow, just think this team has lost all of it's confidence and swagger, that last year carried them through in some tough games. They're losing those games this year.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I don't know why Tibor bothers people so much, if you don't take the bait, nothing happens, and he doesn't attack people personally - the universal rule to maintaining your schtick on bboards i guess. (i think he secretly really likes the Bengals, it's ok)

As for the article - "floundering" is not accurate, I agree, inconsistent, just like the defense, would be better.

11th and 14th over-all in penalties respectively on offense and defense this year so far too - inconsistent and oft penalized are not a formula for success.

The Ravens, the Steelers, the Patriots and Chicago, they have consistent defenses. Bad games like the Bengals' had last week only come once every 5-6 games for those teams defensively - almost 1 out of every 3 for the Bengals', been that way for a long time - it's an organizational/cap priority flaw.

I can't help but to think there's some real weakenesses on this coaching staff, and uh, hope Paul Alexander has to take a college job next year.

C'mon, don't blame Paul, he didn't take a pipe to Bluto and Levi's legs. That just happens.

[HoosierCat]

You think they're getting it together, then they suck the next week - the defense is the same way.

Jeebus. How does putting up 27 points suck? How does holding Atlanta to 80 yards below their rushing average suck? I'll ask you the same question I asked tibor: how does a defense that's allowing the 12th-fewest points in the league suck?

As for the o-line, yes, it does take time to gel and while Whitworth is coming along it looks like Bluto isn't. That's not coaching that's just a crappy player.

[kentjett]

Why were Whitworth and Guy-chick drafted in the 2-4 rounds, if they are not competent?

O'Callaghan in NE is doing just fine at RT his rookie year as a 5th rounder - exceling in fact.

and Levi gets hurt for periods of time almost every year.

Whitworth has looked impressive this year, he was a steal for a late second round pick. Comparing a LT to a RT isn't exactly fair. LT usually faces the best DE on the team. I said usually because Peppers place on the other side. Levi has been the one of our most reliable players since he was put into the starting lineup. He has only missed one game prior to this year and that was the last game of the season last year after we had everything locked up.