bengals steelers in december

[kayaker0678]

ok what if we have everything clinched and we are a lock for 1st seed. ALL HYPOTHETICAL how long do we play the starters. i say we dont even play them. i would be afraid of the steelers purposely hurting our stars-

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

ok what if we have everything clinched and we are a lock for 1st seed. ALL HYPOTHETICAL how long do we play the starters. i say we dont even play them. i would be afraid of the steelers purposely hurting our stars-

Wait - do the piss-stains get in as a wild card if we let them win?

[duus]

The only way the starters would even be considered is if there was something on the line for the Steelers ... and then that still miight not do it.

You know, related, I recently had some thoughts around how big that game could be. You see, given that the Steelers have already lost to what will more than likely be two other playoff teams (Jags and Bengals), winning that game for the Steelers may very likely be important for either a wildcard or division title. Although it may be somewhat unlikely, it is at least possible that such a game could be as important as the difference between one team going to the playoffs and the other not. In fact, in could also be a game that gives one team homefield throughout the playoffs and the other a number 5 seed (or even 6 should the Ravens be involved as a tiebreaker as well for the loser). If the game came down to the difference between homefield throughout and a #5/6 seed, obviously the starters will be there.

Man, what fun that would be!!!

[duus]

Heck, mathematically you can even come up with scenarios where the winner of that game gets homefield throughout and the loser doesn't even make the playoffs. Wouldn't that be funny? Many ways to make that happen, but if you assume the East and West only have division winners, then the 3 and 4 seeds would go to them. The number 1 and 2 seeds would come from the North and South, as well as the wildcards. This would provide a scenario where the loser of that single game on the last day becomes the odd-team out at the end, and the winner ends up winning the North and could get the #1 seed overall. This all assumes the Ravens keep rolling ... we'll see.

Example:

AFC East and West get #2 and 3 seeds.

AFC South - Colts and Jags with 12-4 record, but Colts win division on tiebreaker

AFC North - Ravens sit with 12-4 record, but lose tiebreaker to both Bengals and Steelers for division crown; Bengals and Steelers sit with 11-4 records each, both with tiebreaker advantage over Colts and Ravens.

The winner of that last game between the Bengals and Steelers would put them at 12-4 and the #1 seed due to tiebreakers. The loser would be at 11-5 and one game behind the other teams. One scenario of many ... it's very early ... but fun to look at.

Wow, now that would be pressure!

[Kazkal]

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I am so utterly sick of hearing about, and talking about, the freakin' Stoolers that I could not give a damn about the 2nd matchup with them at this point.

Worried about the Pats, Ravens and Panthers actually.

[membengal]

I am so utterly sick of hearing about, and talking about, the freakin' Stoolers that I could not give a damn about the 2nd matchup with them at this point.

Worried about the Pats, Ravens and Panthers actually.

Word.

Let it go people. We won. Time to move on.

Pats, Panthers, Falcons and Ravens are plenty to occupy our time at this point...

[SteelerFan87]

ok what if we have everything clinched and we are a lock for 1st seed. ALL HYPOTHETICAL how long do we play the starters. i say we dont even play them. i would be afraid of the steelers purposely hurting our stars-

See, this post is 1 of the reasons I joined this site.

How the hell can you say the Steelers would "purposely hurt" your players? I mean, come on! You can think you're the better team, I understand that because you're a fan. But to say something like this? WTF is wrong with you? The Steelers are a classy organization, ask ANYONE in the league. There's no way intentionally trying to injure opponents' players would be tolerated. Is this because of the hit on Palmer? Good God, get over it already! Get your head out of your ass and see that Kimo didn't hurt him on purpose! You have to be completely blinded by hate to not see Kimo look over, see Palmer on the ground, pound his fist into his hand in an "oh s**t, I hurt somebody" gesture, go over to him and see if he was ok, and wave medical personnell over. That's not the way a guy who just intentionally hurt somebody acts. Ask anyone who knows Kimo, and they will all tell you how much it was killing him to know he had injured Palmer. But no, it's much easier for you to ignore all the facts, and just call it intentional, because it makes it easier for you to accept the outcome of that game.

Anyway, ignorant comments aside, I'll refute the premise of your post too. Will you have the division clinched? No. Saying that you will is just not giving enough credit to the Steelers, who, yeah, have started off bad, but anyone with a brain knows there's too much talent on this team for them to not at least challenge for a playoff spot. Actually, if you look at the schedule, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati will most likely be tied at 5-2 by week 8. And if you look at the rest of the schedule, you see that the Bengals have to go to Indianapolis and Denver before that last game against the Steelers, so it's actually more likely that we will be tied, or at least very close to each other, at that point, and that game will be crucial for each team. That's not a Steelers fan talking, it's someone who can recognize a close division race.

[duus]

ok what if we have everything clinched and we are a lock for 1st seed. ALL HYPOTHETICAL how long do we play the starters. i say we dont even play them. i would be afraid of the steelers purposely hurting our stars-

See, this post is 1 of the reasons I joined this site.

How the hell can you say the Steelers would "purposely hurt" your players? I mean, come on! You can think you're the better team, I understand that because you're a fan. But to say something like this? WTF is wrong with you? The Steelers are a classy organization, ask ANYONE in the league. There's no way intentionally trying to injure opponents' players would be tolerated. Is this because of the hit on Palmer? Good God, get over it already! Get your head out of your ass and see that Kimo didn't hurt him on purpose! You have to be completely blinded by hate to not see Kimo look over, see Palmer on the ground, pound his fist into his hand in an "oh s**t, I hurt somebody" gesture, go over to him and see if he was ok, and wave medical personnell over. That's not the way a guy who just intentionally hurt somebody acts. Ask anyone who knows Kimo, and they will all tell you how much it was killing him to know he had injured Palmer. But no, it's much easier for you to ignore all the facts, and just call it intentional, because it makes it easier for you to accept the outcome of that game.

Anyway, ignorant comments aside, I'll refute the premise of your post too. Will you have the division clinched? No. Saying that you will is just not giving enough credit to the Steelers, who, yeah, have started off bad, but anyone with a brain knows there's too much talent on this team for them to not at least challenge for a playoff spot. Actually, if you look at the schedule, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati will most likely be tied at 5-2 by week 8. And if you look at the rest of the schedule, you see that the Bengals have to go to Indianapolis and Denver before that last game against the Steelers, so it's actually more likely that we will be tied, or at least very close to each other, at that point, and that game will be crucial for each team. That's not a Steelers fan talking, it's someone who can recognize a close division race.

I'm surely not going to defend comments like suggesting a team would purposefully hurt another. I have not subscribed to that, nor will I. BUT ... I think at least part of this sentiment (not mine ... others) stems from your very own QB starting the nonsense with his quote when his was hit last year in early December by Odell. He is the one that first suggested another teams players were purposefully hurting the other. I just think fans have subsequently stooped to the same low level stupidity as your Benji. Just to set the record straight where this all started.

[SteelerFan87]

Well, while I don't support Ben for saying that (sometimes a player just needs to shut up, whether what he's saying is true or not), there is a difference between Odell's hit and Kimo's. Kimo fell down, and landed on Palmer's leg, then got up and was clearly concerned. Odell purposefully hit Ben. Was he trying to hurt him? No, I doubt that. But he was trying to hit him, not just falling on him. And it's also alot easier to call a guy like Odell Thruman, who gets into so much trouble off the field, dirty, than it is to call a good guy like Kimo von Olehoffen dirty.

Again, I'm not supporting Ben's comments, and in hindsight, they really look bad. And I'm not saying Odell was trying to hurt Ben, I'm just saying that that hit looked worse than Kimo's, just the result wasn't as bad.

[derekshank]

Well, while I don't support Ben for saying that (sometimes a player just needs to shut up, whether what he's saying is true or not), there is a difference between Odell's hit and Kimo's. Kimo fell down, and landed on Palmer's leg, then got up and was clearly concerned. Odell purposefully hit Ben. Was he trying to hurt him? No, I doubt that. But he was trying to hit him, not just falling on him. And it's also alot easier to call a guy like Odell Thruman, who gets into so much trouble off the field, dirty, than it is to call a good guy like Kimo von Olehoffen dirty.

Again, I'm not supporting Ben's comments, and in hindsight, they really look bad. And I'm not saying Odell was trying to hurt Ben, I'm just saying that that hit looked worse than Kimo's, just the result wasn't as bad.

You've got to be kidding!

He accidently fell into his knee... right. Wrapping his arm around his leg, and planting his shoulder accidentally?

You can argue it wasn't dirty... but you can't argue that it was accidental. That is absurd. He did everything in his power to hit Palmer.

[SteelerFan87]

He didn't plant his shoulder, that was caused by the fact that he was rolling. Did he wrap his arm around Carson's leg? Yeah. Should he have just put his arm out on the ground to stop his fall? Probably. But in that situation, you see an apendage with the other team's colors on it, you're going to grab it just to make sure he doesn't start running away. From Kimo's position, he can't see that the ball isn't in Palmer's hand, so if he had let him go, and it turned out Palmer hadn't thrown yet, Kimo could be responsible for giving up a big play. At that point, it's just instinct, and any defensive player will instinctively grab on in that situation. Anyway, it's pretty obvious Kimo regretted that decision, by how pissed he was at himself when he got up and saw Palmer laying there in pain.

[duus]

I'm sick of this. Why folks go out of their way to defend these guys on either side is just silly. Either they were both dirty, aggressive, accidental, or something else. To try to separate the two into some fictional categorization of breaking it down into such ridiculous elements is nonsense.

Bottom line is that if Benji would have shut his mouth like Carson did, I think you would have much less being said out there. Class vs. Excuses. Move on.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

ok what if we have everything clinched and we are a lock for 1st seed. ALL HYPOTHETICAL how long do we play the starters. i say we dont even play them. i would be afraid of the steelers purposely hurting our stars-

See, this post is 1 of the reasons I joined this site.

How the hell can you say the Steelers would "purposely hurt" your players? I mean, come on! You can think you're the better team, I understand that because you're a fan. But to say something like this? WTF is wrong with you? The Steelers are a classy organization, ask ANYONE in the league. There's no way intentionally trying to injure opponents' players would be tolerated. Is this because of the hit on Palmer? Good God, get over it already! Get your head out of your ass and see that Kimo didn't hurt him on purpose! You have to be completely blinded by hate to not see Kimo look over, see Palmer on the ground, pound his fist into his hand in an "oh s**t, I hurt somebody" gesture, go over to him and see if he was ok, and wave medical personnell over. That's not the way a guy who just intentionally hurt somebody acts. Ask anyone who knows Kimo, and they will all tell you how much it was killing him to know he had injured Palmer. But no, it's much easier for you to ignore all the facts, and just call it intentional, because it makes it easier for you to accept the outcome of that game.

Anyway, ignorant comments aside, I'll refute the premise of your post too. Will you have the division clinched? No. Saying that you will is just not giving enough credit to the Steelers, who, yeah, have started off bad, but anyone with a brain knows there's too much talent on this team for them to not at least challenge for a playoff spot. Actually, if you look at the schedule, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati will most likely be tied at 5-2 by week 8. And if you look at the rest of the schedule, you see that the Bengals have to go to Indianapolis and Denver before that last game against the Steelers, so it's actually more likely that we will be tied, or at least very close to each other, at that point, and that game will be crucial for each team. That's not a Steelers fan talking, it's someone who can recognize a close division race.

I'd probably want to see a QB rating higher than 40 out of Roethlisberger before I started talking anything about making the playoffs. He keeps that up, you'll be playing for draft status on New Years' Eve. Christ, he's been making Kordell look like a genius lately. You sure he wasn't brain damaged by that Chrysler?

I'll grant you there's no evidence Kimo hurt Palmer on purpose. Personally, I don't even care anymore. However, that doesn't mean it's a good idea to leave your stars in a meaningless game, especially given how heated that game has become, and how much of a target some of our players (like Chad) are.

Obviously it's waaaay too early to say anything, so we'll see, huh?

[SteelerFan87]

Well I don't think you have to worry about any Steelers going after Chad. They all just think he's funny. Hell, Porter and Ward are friends with him.

And I also doubt that it would be a meaningless game.

As for the hits, I totally agree that Ben should have just shut the hell up, but I don't think you should call the Bengals' reaction classy either. Marvin Lewis taking a shot at Ben, saying "We aren't going to whine about it like their quarterback did" isn't exactly classy.

[duus]

Well I don't think you have to worry about any Steelers going after Chad. They all just think he's funny. Hell, Porter and Ward are friends with him.

And I also doubt that it would be a meaningless game.

As for the hits, I totally agree that Ben should have just shut the hell up, but I don't think you should call the Bengals' reaction classy either. Marvin Lewis taking a shot at Ben, saying "We aren't going to whine about it like their quarterback did" isn't exactly classy.

"classy vs. excuses" was intended for QB comparison. Just look how the two guys responded to the respective hits.

[bengalboomer7]

First off, Odell was tripped into Ben, even your center said that, and Ben made the comment anyways. Odel DID NOT purposesly hit him as you state.

Secondly, I'm sorry for saying this my bengal brothers, but give me a f**king break. Here we are in week four, and we're talking about week 17 and playoff homefield scenarios. This si absolutley ridiculous

[Oldcat]

I saw the Steelers nearly pull Ken Anderson's head off with a facemask in the 80s, so I know exactly how classy an organization they are.

[Stripes]

C'mon, I'm sure if we wanted we could find a gazillion plays in Bengals history in which a Bengals player did something questionable. The idea that one organization is anymore dirty than any other is just stupid.

[johnstownsteel]

C'mon, I'm sure if we wanted we could find a gazillion plays in Bengals history in which a Bengals player did something questionable. The idea that one organization is anymore dirty than any other is just stupid.

Yea..I agree. I'm sure every team in the league has it's moments that they are not particularly proud of.

[BengalszoneBilly]

C'mon, I'm sure if we wanted we could find a gazillion plays in Bengals history in which a Bengals player did something questionable. The idea that one organization is anymore dirty than any other is just stupid.

Yea..I agree. I'm sure every team in the league has it's moments that they are not particularly proud of.

How about the fact the neither the Steelers or the Bengals have won in their home parks versus the other team since way back on October 3, 2004 in Pittsburgh! Five consecutive games (I believe) between these two clubs with the road team coming away the winner. It's hard to be proud when you can't defend your home turf...

C'mon Bengals, end this streak on December 31st!