Frostee the Slowman - done for 2006

[Dadraftnick]

Picking up Frazier is a bad move.

If the Steelers pick him back up at the end of the year you can bet that they pick his brains on our schemes.

Picking up Frazier means that we now have 3 DE's on the roster and 700 linebackers and WR's.

I cannot understand why they did not pick up Eric Henderson who looked like a real stud in the preason.

Picking up Frazier also means that they still only have one C,with Brahm to be out for a while with a broken bone,wouldnt it make much more sense to pick up Ben Wilkerson,if for no other reason than to keep another team from getting him?

I understand they want to have Frazier for special teams but, they have covered special with the guys that they have now and as far as I could tell they didnt even use McNeal last week,they could have used another DE this week.

[GapControl]

Picking up Frazier is a bad move.

If the Steelers pick him back up at the end of the year you can bet that they pick his brains on our schemes.

Picking up Frazier means that we now have 3 DE's on the roster and 700 linebackers and WR's.

I cannot understand why they did not pick up Eric Henderson who looked like a real stud in the preason.

Picking up Frazier also means that they still only have one C,with Brahm to be out for a while with a broken bone,wouldnt it make much more sense to pick up Ben Wilkerson,if for no other reason than to keep another team from getting him?

I understand they want to have Frazier for special teams but, they have covered special with the guys that they have now and as far as I could tell they didnt even use McNeal last week,they could have used another DE this week.

Frazier seems to be the best answer to losing Tab Perry. They are hoping he can come in and replace him on ST. I would think once Perry is reactivated, McNeal goes down, Fanene comes up to take Rucker's spot or Henderson fills in to take Rucker's spot.

Who is to say Rucker is truly suffering from an injury? Maybe we have too many DEs and not enough LBs now.

[HoosierCat]

Frazier seems to be the best answer to losing Tab Perry. They are hoping he can come in and replace him on ST. I would think once Perry is reactivated, McNeal goes down, Fanene comes up to take Rucker's spot or Henderson fills in to take Rucker's spot.

Who is to say Rucker is truly suffering from an injury? Maybe we have too many DEs and not enough LBs now.

A-yup. Bringing in another LB, particularly on the strong side, was a necessity. Even with Frazier, they are only carrying 8 LBs, the same number they began the season with. However, while they have plenty of guys who can play WLB and MLB, Pollack and Jeanty were their only true SLBs. Pollack's down for the count and Jeanty's banged up. So in comes SLB Frazier. I'm sure they don't want to have to stick him out there right away -- beyond special teams -- but if they can squeak through the Pats games they'll have a couple more weeks to bring him up to speed. Bottom line is it's a long season and Jeanty is gonna need a backup.

[TJJackson]

I'm not particularly worried about having "true" SSLBs, as we have a few players (Caleb and Landon) who can man the spot at need, and I am certain they are grooming Ahmad Brooks to play there and the ILB position on the strongside in the occasional 3-4 alignment

would still like to see Henderson in there, particularly if Fanene is not 100%, but i think they would have made this move already if they were going to at all.

[HoosierCat]

I'm not particularly worried about having "true" SSLBs, as we have a few players (Caleb and Landon) who can man the spot at need, and I am certain they are grooming Ahmad Brooks to play there and the ILB position on the strongside in the occasional 3-4 alignment

I'm certain they are grooming Ahmad for the middle.

[TJJackson]

on second thought, yeah. B Simmons is on his way out, so I guess it's Brooks backed up by Nicholson in 2007

[WretchedOne]

I'm going to admit my suprise here and now that they chose not to elevate a certain practice squad DE I hold in high regard to the active roster, and instead went outside the organization to pull a guy in, but I am guessing this has a lot to do with Fanene returning soon.....and frazier will be almost certainly gone when Fanene comes off PUP, barring another injury at DE or LB

Ahhh...someone else who feels the screw job on Eric was highly unjustified. Don't get much of that from Bengals fans.

IMO, and as stupid as it sounds, Eric got gyped by draft politics and being injured. The kid just can't catch a break anywhere, he's had to struggle and earn everything he's ever tried to fight for. And after the life he's already had, you'd think he might have finally caught a break here in Cincy.

When I saw that Robinson had been moved to DE, it was a sign that Eric's chance's were pretty much slim to none wich is ashame. I really think there is no "competing for roster spots" in the NFL after watching what what happened with Eric.

Eric gets put on PS while Frostee is now on IR (and facing criminal charges) and Fanene is on PUP.

I will never be convinced that Rucker is better than Henderson...cause it just ain't true.

[schweinhart]

It looks like Frazier is Pollack's replacement and McNeal is Tab's, even though Tab has not been IRed yet and may not be. Now that Odell is done this year, the Bengals only have to clear 2 or 3 spots for PUP players in Fanene, SUPERSTAR and Adam Kieft. If Fanene doesn't get IRed or cut, he'd be Rucker's replacement or else I would think Henderson would. Chris Perry would most likely send Quincy Wilson packing and I wouldn't be surprised to see Doug Johnson cut to make way for the 4th DE now that McNeal is on the roster and could be the 3rd QB. If Braham gets IRed, then we'd see Wilklerson or a street free agent.

[TJJackson]

If Fanene remains injured when he comes off PUP, I expect Henderson will get his best shot at a roster spot then. Putting a player on PUP is like saying "I will need you again starting week 6 or slightly beyond" so they are expecting to put him on the roster and waive another player. So if Fanene isn't ready, I'll bet a dollar Henderson will be called up then.

A serious injury to any one of - B Robinson, R Geathers, or J Smith - will almost assuredly also get him a roster spot. Not that I want any of these guys injured......it's just how it is.

[Kazkal]

cannot understand why they did not pick up Eric Henderson who looked like a real stud in the preason.

I must have missed part he looked like a stud because I thought he looked decent vs 3rd stringers

When I saw that Robinson had been moved to DE, it was a sign that Eric's chance's were pretty much slim to none wich is ashame. I really think there is no "competing for roster spots" in the NFL after watching what what happened with Eric.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA,you guys are crazy.

[princeton]

I was thinking that we might resign Hannibal Navies after Thurman's suspension. Or did somebody pick him up?

[HoosierCat]

When I saw that Robinson had been moved to DE, it was a sign that Eric's chance's were pretty much slim to none wich is ashame. I really think there is no "competing for roster spots" in the NFL after watching what what happened with Eric.

I don't think moving B-Rob to DE had anything to do with Henderson. Robinson is a stopgap -- and arguably a failed one, since he was brought in to shore up tackle, not end. But he actually cost slightly more to cut than to keep (in cap terms) this season, and was a decent end in Chicago, so the move made sense.

But he isnt even the best DE on the team, and the guy who is, Justin Smith, has fewer fans around here than Kimo Von Kneecapper. 2007 is the final year of his contract, when he'll be a 33-year-old DE with a $2.2 million cap hit, versus a net gain of about $1.45 million if he's let go.

Either B-Rob or Justin will almost certainly be gone after this season. Very possibly, both. But either way there will be room for Henderson -- assuming he proves he can play in he big leagues.

[Stripes]

When I saw that Robinson had been moved to DE, it was a sign that Eric's chance's were pretty much slim to none wich is ashame. I really think there is no "competing for roster spots" in the NFL after watching what what happened with Eric.

How about this for a thought?

The coaches gave Henderson his chances in the preseason, and he didn't cut it as compared to the other options that made the roster ahead of him. You pimped him more than anyone else during draft discussion, and I'm not surprised to see you say that.

[jditty47]

on second thought, yeah. B Simmons is on his way out, so I guess it's Brooks backed up by Nicholson in 2007

LOL how do you figure that? i have seen not one single sign that shows simmons is on the way out anytime soon. give me a *** damn break people.

PS 2000th post in the bengals forum alone.

[derekshank]

on second thought, yeah. B Simmons is on his way out, so I guess it's Brooks backed up by Nicholson in 2007

LOL how do you figure that? i have seen not one single sign that shows simmons is on the way out anytime soon. give me a *** damn break people.

Yeah... Simmons isn't on his way out just yet. He's playing great right now. I think the issue with Simmons is that he can't be viewed as a long term solution. This is his 9th year in the league. His contract ends in '08, so to re-sign him or extend him we'd be asking him to play for us in his 12th year. LB's don't generally last that long. I wouldn't be surprised at all if he plays out his contract, but the Bengals make no effort to extend him.

Of course, if we do that, it means more LB's in the draft. Since that seems to be Marvin's favorite position along with WR to draft, I don't think it's a problem.

[HairOnFire]

I'm right here. And I might just end up eating a big crow sandwich. Let's call it the "Draft formerly known as the worst draft ever"

Don't sweat it. It's not like you're such a screaming chithead that you started this thread OR hoped that Rucker would never play a down for the Bengals.

Seriously, you'd have to be a major fugtard to think that way.

I will never be convinced that Rucker is better than Henderson...cause it just ain't true.

Nope, it's true. Rucker is a badass.

Meanwhile, Eric Henderson is a marginal talent that seems destined for folk status as the most misunderstood and underrated player on the planet. In fact, I'm betting that thousands of tears are shed daily over his deserved fate as a complete afterthought.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Bottom line...the Steelers game proved how much these injuries have hurt us in the area of run defense. Up until that time great improvement was shown. I was hoping all the injuries suffered during the Cleveland game wouldn't really matter, but I was wrong. This team needs to re-establish itself in it's defensive prowness. The backups must step up and play as well as the players they are filling in for. I know that's a tall order, but for the Bengals to remain where they are, (undefeated) that's exactly what it's going to take!

Carson can't do it all. Not all of the time anyway.

[TJJackson]

It's not like you're such a screaming chithead that you started this thread OR hoped that Rucker would never play a down for the Bengals.

Seriously, you'd have to be a major fugtard to think that way.

*laff*

[DontPushMe]

Its hard to even reply to a thread filled with so much ignorance, but here we go. Rucker in his only preseason game looked awesome, you'd have to be blind not to see that, and he WAS a high quality talent coming out of a very good school that produces NFL players consistantly. I will never understand how anyone got the idea that he was a reach. Ive been known to fly off the handle and call guys a reach, and i never thought he was one. If i remember correctly, the only pick I didnt like was McNeal, and to a lesser extent Whitworth. Happily wrong about Whitworth, I expect him to be starting at LG next year. And i dunno about McNeal, still not convinced that he was necessary.

As for Henderson, my confusion at how he was some sort of steal or great pickup is rivaled only by my confusion over how Rucker was a reach. If you were impressed with him, you obviously weren't watching his games closely. Lined up against 3rd and 4th string linemen, he was largely unimpressive. He got in the backfield a couple times, and those few plays were probly enough to confirm the opinion you already had that he was great, but it obviously wasnt enough for Marvin Lewis, or 31 other NFL teams. Face it, if he was any good, someone would of claimed him. I figured when he cleared waivers the strange obsession with him would be over.. oh well. Maybe you guys know something NFL coaches dont know!

TJ, what are you going to do when Rucker comes in and starts making sacks next year and looking impressive just like Peko? Make another retarded "my bad i was wrong" post? I guess by then you will have a new draft pick to hate on.

Oh, and they went outside of the organization to pick up a guy to fill Ruckers roster spot, because the "certain practice squad DE that you hold in high regaurd" sucks, just like the player in your av.

[Stripes]

DPM, I agree 100%. Great post.

[Kazkal]

"groans" so many 1st day lbs we've taken o_O + we alrdy took one in the 3rd rnd next year really =P

As for Henderson, my confusion at how he was some sort of steal or great pickup is rivaled only by my confusion over how Rucker was a reach. If you were impressed with him, you obviously weren't watching his games closely. Lined up against 3rd and 4th string linemen, he was largely unimpressive. He got in the backfield a couple times, and those few plays were probly enough to confirm the opinion you already had that he was great, but it obviously wasnt enough for Marvin Lewis, or 31 other NFL teams. Face it, if he was any good, someone would of claimed him. I figured when he cleared waivers the strange obsession with him would be over.. oh well. Maybe you guys know something NFL coaches dont know!

"remembers when people said henderson would beat out peko for a roster spot"

Hahahahahahahahhaha =) I don't agree with dpm much but henderson diden't show much for talent he was going vs ya he was sack artist in college but he dident show that vs guys who arent on nfl teams right now.

[Spain]

The Pollak , Odell , draft might be the worst of Marvins. Pollak might never play again, Odell, might never play again. Why cont you guys lay off Frostee , the guys injjured. All its the same num nuts that hated on perry.

[Kazkal]

Funny how last year looked t o be one of best drafts ever o_O now its looking best case a meh

[walshfan]

Some Frazier chatter...

http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/410889

http://www.fftoolbox.com/nfl_draft/profile...?Prospect_ID=70

http://steelers.scout.com/2/423171.html

http://cincinnati.scout.com/2/503613.html

Nice quotes on Frazier.... BTW did you read what fftoolbox said about Brooks? OMG they'rer declaring him a future Ray Lewis only bigger and faster...

[TJJackson]

I am confident Henderson will get his chance, albeit I will grant you it might not come til next year.

The reason he did not fare as well is that they played him extensively at DT rather than DE, ie he was played out of position.

I remain hopeful that Frosteee the Slowman is gone for good. As for those who are deluding themselves into thinking he was "dominant" in the 1st preseason game - lordie, I was unaware that the definition of dominant was 1 tackle and 3 assists (http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/live/NFL_20060813_WAS@CIN). I guess we have a lot more dominant defenders on our team than I was aware of previously.