Odell Arrested/1 year suspension official

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know it's not hating, but you're missing the disease,

Alcoholic. Addict. Whatever it is. He's gettin drunk while he's supposedly in a rehab program. Can't stay off the stuff even when his whole career -- fame, money, women, everything -- is on the line.

Yeah, he's got a problem. And he needs to make a choice: does he want to party or does he want to play football? If the former, I guarantee you he will party himself straight into an early grave. If the latter, well, then he needs to check his a$$ into a serious rehab program and get his head screwed on sraight.

I honestly don't think he's an alcoholic/addict. I'd say he's more a victim of his own success, a man who is enjoying (possibly a bit heavily) the nicer things in life that he never even dreamed of before. Hmmm. That sounds more likely to me. In my youth they called it "Young, Dumb, And Full Of C*m." Pretty darn descriptive of him I would say.

Sure, Thurman's got some growing up to do. There's going to be some bumps along the way. This one just happened to knock out the alignment, and trash a shock absorber or two. That's cool. Marvin Lewis has shown he's a good mechanic. He fixed the s**t out of that heap of junk Chris Henry enough to get a couple TD catches out of him yesterday

[HoosierCat]

I honestly don't think he's an alcoholic/addict.

I honestly think he honestly thinks the same thing. Unfortunately, the warning signs are all over the place.

If you're right, well, then, no big thing giving up the booze and whatever else, right? And that's what he has to do now, if he wants to continue playing football. That's the hole he's dug himself into.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I honestly don't think he's an alcoholic/addict.

If you're right, well, then, no big thing giving up the booze and whatever else, right? And that's what he has to do now, if he wants to continue playing football. That's the hole he's dug himself into.

I think all he has to stop putting himself into situations where there is any risk of further confrontation with legal authorities by either have someone else chauffeur him around in his Escalade, (which I'm sure he can well afford to do) or just stay home with a few friends, keep it all low key, and hoist a cocktail or two in toast to another Cincinnati win!

[HoosierCat]

I think all he has to stop putting himself into situations where there is any risk of further confrontation with legal authorities by either have someone else chauffeur him around in his Escalade, (which I'm sure he can well afford to do) or just stay home with a few friends, keep it all low key, and hoist a cocktail or two in toast to another Cincinnati win!

I think that would certainly be a good idea. But I think that falls into the category of "effect." By which I mean, as I said before, Odell has a decision to make: partier or player? If he dedicates himself to being a football player, the scenario you describe will naturally flow from that decision. I think that using your scenario as the "action" he's going to take is exactly the wrong thing to do. That he's just going to kind of hide it, sweep it under the rug, party on the down low, whatever you want to call it, that's treating the symptom, not the problem.

And the problem, IMHO, is that Odell has demonstrated a magnificent talent for self-destruction, and he really needs to ask himself why he seems to be so intent on ruining his own life.

For the record, I think Henry is pretty much in this same boat, too.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I think all he has to stop putting himself into situations where there is any risk of further confrontation with legal authorities by either have someone else chauffeur him around in his Escalade, (which I'm sure he can well afford to do) or just stay home with a few friends, keep it all low key, and hoist a cocktail or two in toast to another Cincinnati win!

I think that would certainly be a good idea. But I think that falls into the category of "effect." By which I mean, as I said before, Odell has a decision to make: partier or player? If he dedicates himself to being a football player, the scenario you describe will naturally flow from that decision. I think that using your scenario as the "action" he's going to take is exactly the wrong thing to do. That he's just going to kind of hide it, sweep it under the rug, party on the down low, whatever you want to call it, that's treating the symptom, not the problem.

And the problem, IMHO, is that Odell has demonstrated a magnificent talent for self-destruction, and he really needs to ask himself why he seems to be so intent on ruining his own life.

For the record, I think Henry is pretty much in this same boat, too.

I'm sure I don't know nearly enough about how he actually lives his personal life to comment on exactly what his habits are. They may be as you say they are, they may not be. Marvin would be in a far better position to know these details than we are, therefore in Marvin I will trust totally in this matter. If he kicks Thurman to the curb, so be it. If he keeps him around, there must be a damn good reason for doing so. We shall see...

[HoosierCat]

Marvin would be in a far better position to know these details than we are, therefore in Marvin I will trust totally in this matter. If he kicks Thurman to the curb, so be it. If he keeps him around, there must be a damn good reason for doing so. We shall see...

I agree...with the caveat that it isn't Marvin kicking Odell to the curb. Odell's kicking Odell to the curb. If he can prove to Marvin that he's done doing that...I think he'll get one last chance.

For the record again, I'm rooting for Odell. I hope he makes it back into stripes.

[aaronburr]

So much to address....

1. Odell is an idiot. He's also an a-hole for what he's doing to his team. There's nothing to defend there. All character and legal questions aside, he should have known better.

2. Odell can't be suspended by the league until he is found guilty. He should plead guilty ASAP so he can begin his suspension ASAP. His punishment by the league will far outweigh his punishment by the local court. If he's lucky he'll be able to play Week 5, 2007. If he continues to ride the bench this year and take a plea in the off-season, he'll miss the entire 2007 season.

3. Marvin doesn't need a conviction to bench a player.

4. Marvin won't cut Odell since he didn't cut Henry.

5. Unless Henry's post-conviction terms are different from his pre-conviction terms, he's not supposed to be drinking and he's not supposed to drive a car without an ignition interlock device. That may be why he wasn't driving. But if he was seen puking (and therefore drinking) he could be doing jail time soon.

6. Alcohol abuse is substance abuse. This will be counted as a league violation, just like Henry's DUI was counted as a league violation.

7. Odell's previous violations were missed tests...according to Odell. It's easy to confess the truth when you know that nobody else is allowed to talk about it. And why exactly would a player miss a test? Two reasons: (a) he wants to be suspended, (b ) he knows he won't pass.

8. agreen has an office? I was so hoping you were a loud-mouth teenager who didn't know better.

9. Breathalizer tests aren't given without the suspect showing probable cause. If you don't think a guy with a .17 BAC exhibits probable cause, then you've never been around somebody who's been drunk.

10. Questioning the constitutionality of DUI checkpoints won't make Odell a reasonably intelligent, mature teammate.

11. IMHO, it would benefit both the team and Odell for him to remove himself from the vicinity for the rest of the year. Go back to Georgia, OT and figure your s**t out.

[Kazkal]

I blaime the nfl a player should still be able to train with his team what do you expect guy do when he has sit at home for 5 weeks

he won't miss anytime in 2007 because of this if he gets a year its for this year only.

[aaronburr]

he won't miss anytime in 2007 because of this if he gets a year its for this year only.

It's a calendar year, so unless they make it retroactive to Week 1 (before the 2nd violation even occurred) he'll miss at least 4 games next year. Assuming he gets the 1 year suspension in the next week or so.

[Kazkal]

No his current 4 game will be turned in to a 1year. not 4games + 1 year.

Actually i don't know screw it "waits and just sees what happens"

(crosses fingers for odell)

[EyeoftheTiger]

It,s frustrating when this stuff with OT goes on when we have such a great shot at major success.

Got to put it behind us now and hope we can stay healthy now we are a man down.

[rwalling]

The REAL problem is that they somehow keep getting caught! For SOME reason, the cops are always there when a Bengal is doin something against the law...

It's A LOT easier to get caught when you're blowing 0.18 and the most sober person in the vehicle.

Marvin would be in a far better position to know these details than we are, therefore in Marvin I will trust totally in this matter. If he kicks Thurman to the curb, so be it. If he keeps him around, there must be a damn good reason for doing so. We shall see...

I agree...with the caveat that it isn't Marvin kicking Odell to the curb. Odell's kicking Odell to the curb. If he can prove to Marvin that he's done doing that...I think he'll get one last chance.

For the record again, I'm rooting for Odell. I hope he makes it back into stripes.

Great post!

I don't think Marvin would love anything better than a truly repentant OT ready to get his life back together and work as hard as he did last year. I see a lot of tough love in ML's words and actions regarding Odell in the last several months.

[agreen_112]

I swear some of you guys on this board are the biggest bunch of bitches. someone said "He's showing all the warning signs of being an alcoholic/addict" Do you know what he does on his free time? If I can recall I think he missed a test, which is the same as testing positive. He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

I understand that the NFL holds their players to a higher standard, mostly b/c it's the most popular, but if they suspend Odell for a year then I won't only be surprised but I'll be very pissed off. I also think that it's bulls**t that Marvin has already said he suspects the NFL will suspend him for 1 year, he shouldn't have jumped to conclusions like that. It would only make it easier for the NFL to do so, knowing that Marv's already prepared for the worse.

[derekshank]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

half the pro's smoke it huh? Care to substantiate that claim with any type of evidence? Guys we know who smoke it? Odell Thurman, Ricky Williams, Onterrio Smith... oh, and you and Spain... and given the types of posts we get from you and Spain, it makes me that much happier I stay away from the stuff.

[Tasher]

Need to look at the Koren Robinson example here. He was arrested in training camp and the league has not addressed it yet either.

My sense is that the same rules will apply here: until a plea of guilty or a conviction, there will be no discipline by the league or the Bengals (other than sitting/not starting/playing).

That may take the rest of the season before this is resolved.

Calm down, relax. He is a 23 yr old making typical mistakes. He will learn, especially if he really wants to be the very best as he states he does. There is always more to the story than meets the eye, so give the system a chance to do what it is that it is suposed to do.

up, it is Patriots week!

[agreen_112]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

half the pro's smoke it huh? Care to substantiate that claim with any type of evidence? Guys we know who smoke it? Odell Thurman, Ricky Williams, Onterrio Smith... oh, and you and Spain... and given the types of posts we get from you and Spain, it makes me that much happier I stay away from the stuff.

Whatever dude you dont' have to believe me, but trust me son, it's going on. Half may be a bit high, but a lot, and I mean a lot smoke weed. So for anyone to call him an addict is rediculous, b/c their favorite pro quite possibly might smoke it too, you never know?

[GapControl]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

I seriously doubt you are smoking the gonja that often, dude. You are a real quick trigger person If I have ever met one, which I have often. Most guys or gals smoking the bud aren't going to get on the message board and start cussing people who are members of their own fan base. How about taking it easy on here? I don't think people on this board are a bunch of bitches just because they may disagree with you about OT.

Let's all light up a J for Odell! LOL

Seriously, man... try to relax and stick to your more reasonable posts instead of throwing smack at your own fellow fans.

Can't we get some love? Who Dey!

[agreen_112]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

I seriously doubt you are smoking the gonja that often, dude. You are a real quick trigger person If I have ever met one, which I have often. Most guys or gals smoking the bud aren't going to get on the message board and start cussing people who are members of their own fan base. How about taking it easy on here? I don't think people on this board are a bunch of bitches just because they may disagree with you about OT.

Let's all light up a J for Odell! LOL

Seriously, man... try to relax and stick to your more reasonable posts instead of throwing smack at your own fellow fans.

Can't we get some love? Who Dey!

I never said that I smoke that often, actually very often will I smoke weed. There's nothing wrong with that. If I want to smoke a little bit of weed on a sunday afternoon to relax before the long week ahead, I don't see it as being any different that drinking beer.

Sorry for cursing the members of the fan base and not showing any "love". But I dont' have love for any of the idiots basically calling Odell a scrub and a waste of life. My "love" is for the Bengals and Odell, not you. And for some momma's boy, who probably was handed everthing on a silver platter, to point the finger at Odell pisses me off. This is a guy who came from the ghetto, to the NFL. That is a pretty amazing acomplishment and for that I respect the hell outta O-dawg. He's human and made one mistake in my eyes. He'll get it straightened out, even if he has to sit a year!

[GapControl]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

I seriously doubt you are smoking the gonja that often, dude. You are a real quick trigger person If I have ever met one, which I have often. Most guys or gals smoking the bud aren't going to get on the message board and start cussing people who are members of their own fan base. How about taking it easy on here? I don't think people on this board are a bunch of bitches just because they may disagree with you about OT.

Let's all light up a J for Odell! LOL

Seriously, man... try to relax and stick to your more reasonable posts instead of throwing smack at your own fellow fans.

Can't we get some love? Who Dey!

I never said that I smoke that often, actually very often will I smoke weed. There's nothing wrong with that. If I want to smoke a little bit of weed on a sunday afternoon to relax before the long week ahead, I don't see it as being any different that drinking beer.

Sorry for cursing the members of the fan base and not showing any "love". But I dont' have love for any of the idiots basically calling Odell a scrub and a waste of life. My "love" is for the Bengals and Odell, not you. And for some momma's boy, who probably was handed everthing on a silver platter, to point the finger at Odell pisses me off. This is a guy who came from the ghetto, to the NFL. That is a pretty amazing acomplishment and for that I respect the hell outta O-dawg. He's human and made one mistake in my eyes. He'll get it straightened out, even if he has to sit a year!

Good. I am glad we are all getting along now. We are 3-0 Baby!!!! And the weakened Pats are coming to town next Sunday! We won't have Odell so let's win one for him!

[Tasher]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

half the pro's smoke it huh? Care to substantiate that claim with any type of evidence? Guys we know who smoke it? Odell Thurman, Ricky Williams, Onterrio Smith... oh, and you and Spain... and given the types of posts we get from you and Spain, it makes me that much happier I stay away from the stuff.

Whatever dude you dont' have to believe me, but trust me son, it's going on. Half may be a bit high, but a lot, and I mean a lot smoke weed. So for anyone to call him an addict is rediculous, b/c their favorite pro quite possibly might smoke it too, you never know?

Do you have a reference for the statement that Odell tested positive for marijuana? Or to substantiate the rest of your statements?

If you want to express your opinion, that is fine, state it as such, as an opinion, not as fact without reference to evidence, please.

[agreen_112]

your taking me out of context, i was speaking of another posters reference to him failing a drug test. I said that he missed the test.

[TJJackson]

...and why did he miss the test, knowing how important (salary, carrer development, responsibility to his team) it was to be take it and get a positive result?

Because he knew he'd fail.....

[agreen_112]

that's bulls**t, you don't know that. Read his statement in the interview. He had some kind of conflict in his scheduling, and didn't know that if he missed it he would automatically be considered guilty. Call him what you want comy!

[membengal]

I call him disingenuous, at best.

[agreen_112]

I call him disingenuous, at best.

Yeah i'd agree with that, I would say that he was uninformed too!