ArmyBengal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 We will use this thread to discuss who the Bengals drafted in the 1st Round...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Had to put this in there(Commish walks up to the podium with card in hand)With the 24th pick in the draft, the Cincinnati Bengals select............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 waiting patiently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Does Marvin overlook Winston Justice's character issues? And if so, is Willie history?EDIT: This should have been in the other thread. My badGood pick. No Ko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Johnathan Joseph!Good pick, nice value at the CB position.Let's get him signed nice and early! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Jonathan Joseph, CB.Like Marvin cares, but I approve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Antonio Bengal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Joseph! I like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Marvin likes teamates. Can anyone say KO in round 2? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/scoutingr...thanjoseph.htmlStrengths:Has excellent timed and recovery speed...Has pretty good size...Productive and led the team in interceptions in '05...Reliable tackler who will support the run...Has fluid hips and good feet...Looks very natural in coverage with the ability to play man-to-man...Still has a lot of upside and could really develop in the pros. Weaknesses:Does not have a lot of experience...Still raw and needs to work on refining his technique and mastering the nuances of the game...Somewhat of a risky pick in that you are largely basing his selection on potential...Durability might be a concern after missed pretty much the entire 2004 season with a broken foot. Notes:Played at Coffeyville (KS) Junior College after high school...Missed all but two games of his first season with the Gamecocks so 2005 was essentially his only year against major competition...A good player already who hasn't yet begun to reach his full potential...Was overshadowed by Ko Simpson but could see his stock soar once teams go back and look at the tape and see him in workouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Interesting to pick a sophomore over a fifth-year senior (Kelly Jennings). I think Dexter cost Ko his stripes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 The Joseph pick (which I think was a good one) ends the Bengals string of 3 consecutive Prime Time "P" name players. I definitely think they'll go for a tight end in rounds 2 or 3! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I am up for KO rnd 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 29, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I like the pick as it's a defensive one in a position of need and God knows a CB that can run a freakin 4.31 and is d*mn near 6 foot is good by me...On another note, BengalBoomer can now put away that red-hot spoon since we didn't take a TE !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/joseph_johnathan Prospect Profiles Johnathan Joseph Height: 5-11Weight: 19240 Speed: 4.33* Position: CornerbackCollege: South CarolinaFinal Grade: I 6.2 GM JR Scouting LLC Grading Scale/Key SUMMARY Joseph is a junior who came out early for the 2006 NFL Draft, and while he is no doubt good enough to play in the NFL, he could have helped his draft positioning by staying for another season. He has good size (average height/weight for an NFL cornerback) and long arms for the position, and when he uses hands aggressively, he can slow the receiver's release and can re-route him with physical play. He has shown the hips to turn and run without losing a step on deep routes, can stay right on the receiver's hip and has shown ability to ride and squeeze the receiver to the sideline surprisingly well. The big thing that holds Joseph back is that he uses a side-pedal primarily and gets upright and on his heels too often, which hinders his ability to stay with the receiver out of cuts consistently, allowing slower receivers to catch too many passes against him. Overall, Joseph has the size and physical talent to be a very good starting cornerback who can make big hits and tackles, break up passes and make tough interceptions. However, he is raw and it going to need time to develop his skills to become the consistent cornerback he is capable of -- in time, he will improve his footwork and technique to become that good. CRITICAL FACTORS Athletic Ability M/M Off M/M Tight Competes Play Speed Instincts 6.5 5.5 6.0 6.0 6.5 6.0 STRONG POINTS Joseph is a very good athlete with the foot quickness, agility and explosive burst to plant, drive and close quickly to make plays on the ball and can break up passes or make tough interception's. He can jolt the receiver with a hard punch to slow the release, can re-route the receiver and can squeeze him to the sideline well. He has the hips to turn and run without losing a step and the playing speed to stay with receivers deep down the field. Does a very good job reading the wide receiver screen, closes fast and consistently makes the hard hit/tackle right after catch behind the line of scrimmage. He shows a real willingness to come up and tackle big ball carriers in run support. WEAKNESSES Joseph is going to have to become more efficient in his backpedal (will have to really learn a true backpedal) by bending his knees and staying over his feet in order be more consistent staying on the receiver's hip out of cuts. He got turned around too often in off coverage and will need to become much more consistent. He is not consistent using his hands to punch the receiver in press coverage, and when he doesn't, he allows an easy inside release and cannot get back into position to make a play on the ball and allows the catch. POSITIONAL FACTORS Grade Category Comments/Description 6.0 Read & React He has the ability to read and react very fast, but will need to become polished in a true backpedal to show it. 5.5 M/M Off Goes into the side-pedal right at the snap and can be turned around by good moves and cannot always recover. 6.0 M/M Tight Very good when he is aggressive with hands, but gets beaten inside too easily when he gets lazy with his hands. 6.0 Zone Coverage He does a good job of reading the pass, breakinig on the ball and closing fast. He can break up or make a play on the ball well. 6.0 Break & Close He has the ability to be very good, but must use the backpedal and play over his feet to be very good all the time. 6.5 Hips/Turn Ability He has very good hips/flexibility and can turn and run without losing a step. 6.0 Tackling He has the size, strength and athleticism to be a good tackler and can be a strong and physical hitter. 6.5 Hands - Interception Joseph has very good hands to make tough interceptions when he gets the chance. 6.0 Hands - Fight Blocker He competes hard to fight through the block to make tackles -- very good at doing so to make the tackle on a quick wide receiver screen. 6.0 Deep Speed He has the playing speed to stay right on the receiver's hip deep down the field. 6.0 Return Ability In games that were graded, he did not return, but he has the hands, athleticism and toughness to be good. 6.0 Errors Nothing glaring, but his use of the side-pedal and tendency to stay high hinders his ability to cover consistently. ATHLETIC ABILITY Section Grade: 6.5 Joseph is a very good athlete and it has helped him to be a productive cornerback at South Carolina despite some bad technique. He has very quick feet, which help him to accelerate to full speed in a flash and combine with his smooth and fluid hips so that he can turn and run without losing a step in tight man-to-man. His very good agility and balance combine with his quick feet so that he can transition out of the backpedal to close fast on the receiver/pass despite using a side pedal and often getting turned around. He is a naturally explosive athlete and it really shows in his explosive closing ability on quick hitting passes in front of him, especially to make the hard hit right after the receiver catches the screen pass behind the line of scrimmage. He has the body control and coordination to consistently make plays on the ball in pass coverage and can either reach in front to break up the pass without committing the penalty or can cut in front of the receiver to make the tough interception. Q.A.B. Quick Feet C.O.D. Flexibility Coordination 6.5 6.5 6.5 6.0 6.5 COMPETITIVENESS Section Grade: 6.0 He has definitely shown toughness coming up and making hard hits and tackles, both in run support and on passes in front of him. While his production on important downs is similar to his overall production, he has shown the ability to crank up his intensity and to make big hits or pass breakups/interceptions more often in key spots. His overall production has been good, but it could be better with more consistent footwork and hand-use. Despite physical tools, he has a tendency to allow receivers to get a step of separation out of cuts and has to rely upon his closing burst to get back into good position to break up the pass. They get separation mostly because he uses a side-pedal instead of a true backpedal and tends to get up a little high and back on his heels when he pedals. He has consistently shown a willingness to make strong and physical tackles at or near the line of scrimmage vs. the run and the pass. He is a competitive team player who gives a better effort as a tackler than most cornerbacks and never quits hustling and chasing to get back into position when he does lose a step in coverage. Toughness Clutch Play Production Consistency Team Player Pride/Quit 6.0 6.5 6.0 6.0 6.0 6.0 MENTAL ALERTNESS Section Grade: 6.0 Joseph is a very smart young man who learns football well -- his technique to jolt and slow the receiver in press coverage, front-arm technique to break up passes without committing the penalty and use of his body to cut off and squeeze the receiver between himself and the sideline on deep routes show his smarts. (From film, it looks as though they coach their corners to use the side-pedal so the use of it is not a sign of non-learning ability.) He has good instincts, which help him to react quickly when he is pedaling with his knees bent and in good body position, but when he gets a little upright and back in his pedal, he does not consistently react as quickly as he is capable. While he does not always stay in good pedal position, he generally maintains good focus/concentration, which is what allows him to stay close to most receivers despite using the side-pedal and to consistently be willing to make hard and physical tackles. Learn/Retain Instincts/Reactions Concentration 6.5 6.0 6.0 STRENGTH/EXPLOSION Section Grade: 6.0 Joseph has good size for an NFL cornerback -- at basically 5-foot-11 and 190 pounds, he has the average height and weight of an NFL corner. With his natural athleticism, flexibility, size and competitiveness, I am confident that Joseph can be a durable NFL cornerback. He is naturally a very explosive athlete that can plant, drive and close on plays explosively when he is playing over his feet and using good technique. For a cornerback, he has shown an explosive hitting/tackling ability that is uncommon. He has good natural strength, but does not always play up to it in coverage -- he seems to get hesitant to play physical vs. big receivers and they are able to push him around and get separation too easily when he does not use his hands aggressively. Body Type Durability Explosion Play Strength 6.0 6.0 6.5 5.5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Very happy with the pick I hope Ko,Lewis or pope fall to us in rnd 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnip Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I like this, Joseph can become a very good corner and, given the current roster, he'll be given time to develop into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 if Ko is on the board before dallas mybe bengals can see about trading up to snag himI like this, Joseph can become a very good corner and, given the current roster, he'll be given time to develop into one.Yup thats why wanted crom any DB we select this year won't be rushed and has time (inless freak injury early ) /crys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 i like it out of who was left. should be given some time to grow. and spead like that is always nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 I was on the JWilliams train, but we addressed the position anyway, and from what I have read should turn into a very good player... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Interesting that Pittsburgh traded up to right behind usEditPittsburgh gave up a TON to move up to take the top WR - Santonio Holmes - in the draftThey got 1st round, No. 25 Santonio Holmes, WR, Ohio StateThey gave up 1st round, No. 32 3rd round, No. 96 4th round, No. 129LOVE IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Only thing i diden't like about jwilliams I heard his man 2 man was subpar he was more zoneInteresting that Pittsburgh traded up to right behind usthank god they diden't take lendale white though,when i thought they might rather face holmes then white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedOne Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 So uh....I SOOOOO called this pick almost 2 months ago!!!!!And I was crazy.....I think I deserve a little props. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Combine results for Jonathan Joseph.5'11" 193 lbs.40 yard- 4.3160 yard- 11.23(They didn't have anything else listed) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 mccargo in rnd 1 after all? wowSo uh....I SOOOOO called this pick almost 2 months ago!!!!!And I was crazy.....I think I deserve a little props./claps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 Only thing i diden't like about jwilliams I heard his man 2 man was subpar he was more zoneInteresting that Pittsburgh traded up to right behind usthank god they diden't take lendale white though,when i thought they might rather face holmes then whiteI think the Squeelers will target Michael Bush next year. That guy is the next Bettis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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