Kazkal Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 1st I was a total ngata pimp (I still am but just no realistic chance we get himThen I became A pope pimp but got alot hate for it I still am hes the 1# offense player I want out of the draft with lewisnow I am a Cromartie pimp the kid just looks like he has so much upside and in right system will become a great player he is probbley now my #1 realistic pick,He has great character the reason why he entered the draft after missing almost all of 2005 was so he could help his mother who has breast cancer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 As long as your pimping defense, you get a from me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 As long as your pimping defense, you get a from meYa but soon as ngata and Crom are both off the board I'm going back too pimping lewis and pope,really hope crom lasts till 24 then we choose him seems pretty even in mock drafts going either too Chargers,chiefs,bucs then us which sucks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Yeah, I just heard Mayock on the NFL network spewing about how well Cromartie fits what Herm Edwards is looking for in a DB and he said either Cromartie or Lawson for the Chiefs. He also said Johnathan Joseph has an immaturity streak that might make some teams back off but added that some scouts are extremely high on Joseph.I'm all for Cromartie and hoping the couple question marks about him keep him there until #24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I saw chiefs talking about him they said herms selected 5 db's in last 2 years for jets but doesnt seem go for 1st rnders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Cromartie is a very unproven college quantity. I don`t see management taking such a risk with the gauranteed money that pick will receive. Also, I found it notable that Marvin mentioned all offensive players first in his press conference as draft picks... then later added DL after WR. Makes me think DL is where he is really going to push. He said, in order, TE, OL, RB, QB, WR, DL, T, LB, S, C.Or it could be thought that C was said last so he may be thinking Cromartie or Jimmy Williams. I would take either. I still hope for Whitner or a DT over and CBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I just don't see why so many people here like Cromartie over Tye Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I just don't see why so many people here like Cromartie over Tye Hill.Tye Hill. Please give me a reason he will be better than selecting a DT or S/CB hybrid like Whitner of OSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I put Whitner at about the same level as Tye Hill. I would be just as happy with either of them. I'll take Hill's speed and experience over Cromartie anyday, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I put Whitner at about the same level as Tye Hill. I would be just as happy with either of them. I'll take Hill's speed and experience over Cromartie anyday, though.Cromartie isen't slow either he ran what a 4.38? I'd be more then happy with hill but out of the 2 I'd take cromartie because of his size....size doesn't always matter but we alrdy have a short speedy corner in oneal why not take big speedy corner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Cromartie has essentially not played football in two years, that scares me as a first round selection, there is no doubt about his ability and that he would have been a top 15 pick if he had had a strong junior campaign. I just like my first round picks to be less risky, then again I've never been much of a gambler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Cromartie is a BIG and FAST cornerback with a 42 inch vertical. How many WR's are going to just blow by him OR out jump him for a ball ?? It might happen, but I don't think it would be an everyday occurance either. We brought Deltha back from his problems in Denver and got him back to the probowl. You don't think our coaches could coach this rookie up the same way with his youth and upside ?? He wouldn't be called upon to come in a start and would have ample time to learn behind two probowlers !!! I would love taking a shot at Cromartie, LOVE IT !!! If not him, Whitner would also be my pick in the defensive backfield after reading up more on him. VERSATILE and WOW are good words to describe Whitner...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Whitner is a solid 1st round pickHe has experience, athleticism, speed, decent (but not great) size, versatility, instincts, tackling ability, smarts, leadership....the complete package. If this guy was 3 inches taller and weighed 225, he'd be a top 10 pick.With Cromartie, you have the injury histoy and the lack of experience. Either would be a red flag for me, but since he has BOTH, he's not even a consideration on my "draft board" until 55 or later, and of course he won't last that long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 One factor in favor of Cromartie or even Joseph, Richard Marshall or Ashton Youboty over Hill for the Bengals is the position involved. It's the weakside CB who is often on an island versus the run. The bigger bodied CB should get more consideration. The advantage of Cromartie over the others is that he should also be able to play the slot, be it quick WRs or bigger TEs. But Hill is the best shut down, man CB in the draft IMO, which is why he should vanish from the board despite his lack of height.No doubt, though, Whitner would be a perfect fit for the Bengals with the only question whether or not he could convert to CB if needed. The need for that though is less as long as Madieu is healthy because he is the 2nd best CB on the team and the best in the slot. Whitner should be able to handle either safety spot well right away. At #24, he'd be a great pick, but will he be there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'd love to have Cromartie as a Bengal!!! The game in which Cromartie really impressed me was last year against West Virginia with Chris Henry. It was very enjoyable watching two very talented players go against each other -- and to think we could have BOTH. When healthy, Cromartie is a special playerI, personally, prefer Jason Allen -- an even higher risk pick. But Cromartie is my second choice at 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'd love to have Cromartie as a Bengal!!! The game in which Cromartie really impressed me was last year against West Virginia with Chris Henry. It was very enjoyable watching two very talented players go against each other -- and to think we could have BOTH. When healthy, Cromartie is a special playerI, personally, prefer Jason Allen -- an even higher risk pick. But Cromartie is my second choice at 24. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Henry play for us last year and Cromartie not play at all ??? I know what you are saying, the year before, just one of those I find amusing !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'd love to have Cromartie as a Bengal!!! The game in which Cromartie really impressed me was last year against West Virginia with Chris Henry. It was very enjoyable watching two very talented players go against each other -- and to think we could have BOTH. When healthy, Cromartie is a special playerI, personally, prefer Jason Allen -- an even higher risk pick. But Cromartie is my second choice at 24. Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Henry play for us last year and Cromartie not play at all ??? I know what you are saying, the year before, just one of those I find amusing !!!WHODEY !!!Yes -- you are right it was two years ago!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted April 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Whitner is a solid 1st round pickHe has experience, athleticism, speed, decent (but not great) size, versatility, instincts, tackling ability, smarts, leadership....the complete package. If this guy was 3 inches taller and weighed 225, he'd be a top 10 pick.With Cromartie, you have the injury histoy and the lack of experience. Either would be a red flag for me, but since he has BOTH, he's not even a consideration on my "draft board" until 55 or later, and of course he won't last that longhasen't he only had 1 injury? thats not too much of a history people get hurt its a rough sport Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 Can you say Mike Mamula.I like the FSU kid but we're talking about a guy that's started 1 game in his entire college career, and is a major injury risk. Personally, i will laugh if anyone picks this guy in the first round, even if he does pan out. You gotta have either a ton of balls or a lack of brains to take a first round flyer on a guy like Cromaratie, especially with the gauranteed money a first rounder gets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 It's the first round bit that gets me. I don't have a problem with taking a flier on a Chris Henry in the third or a Dennis Weathersby in the fourth because well, if they fail they don't ruin your entire draft and send the team in a downward spiral. First round on the other hand?I'd feel more comfortable with a Danieal Manning in the third, a Pat Watkins in the fourth or even a Richard Marshall in the second, guys with equivalent physical ability but have more proven track records. My list of Corners in the draft I'd be willing to take at #24 begins and ends with Tye Hill (given that Huff will be long gone), sorry Youbody fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 27, 2006 Report Share Posted April 27, 2006 I'm a Cromartie supporter. I think he's done all that he can do to show NFL scouts that his knee is back to 100%, by running sub 4.4 40s and impressing everyone with drills. I think he's the best cornerbacking option out there, aside from perhaps Hill (but I doubt he'll be there at 24), even with the inexperience. Get him a solid group of coaches, and I think he'll be a star.Whitner would also be lovely. He's a lot like Madieu in a versatility sense. He could help at corner in case of injury, and as a safety, he'd be starting over Jackson by midseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 28, 2006 Report Share Posted April 28, 2006 It's the first round bit that gets me. I don't have a problem with taking a flier on a Chris Henry in the third or a Dennis Weathersby in the fourth because well, if they fail they don't ruin your entire draft and send the team in a downward spiral. First round on the other hand?I'd feel more comfortable with a Danieal Manning in the third, a Pat Watkins in the fourth or even a Richard Marshall in the second, guys with equivalent physical ability but have more proven track records. My list of Corners in the draft I'd be willing to take at #24 begins and ends with Tye Hill (given that Huff will be long gone), sorry Youbody fans.I do like Watkins a lot and in the 3rd or 4th, he'd be ideal.I am on the Tye Hill train, or the Whitner mobile. Hill has a 41" vert so his 5'10" size isn't as much of a concern - he needs to put on some muscle though for the NFL and this defense. But he's a willing run stopper when asked - like that. Hill and Oneal could become two of the best cover corners in the game. Hill or Whitner would be fine with me.You can get a comparable DT or DE in the 2nd or 3rd rounds, to one that you can find where the Bengals' will pick in the 1st. Not so at CB or OL.Mangold, despite what people who overrate the Bengals' o-line situation think, would also be a good one. Not sure he'll make it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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