Rumors from Lances' Blog... even though he is never right

[GROIIIDayton]

if V Davis is available at 15 and they move up to get him giving up a 3rd this year and next you would be f*cking retarded not to want this. This would make that offense, well to good to imagine.

[Wraith]

To ensure getting either One of the two DTs (Ngata or Bunkley) you would have to trade up to 12 (ahead of both Cleveland and Baltimore) and the side effect there would be depriving a division rival of the stub young DT they would otherwise have drafted.

I would trade up for Bunkley, Ngata, Huff, Mario Williams, Hawk,or Davis i believe that these players are all head and shoulder above the other players at their positions. If you believe (like I do) that the top fifteen will include at least one OT (Brick), 2 RBs (likely Bush and DeAngelo Williams), 3 QBs (Leinart, Young, and Cutler), and one WR (Likely Chad Jackson) in the top 15 to be assured of getting one to the aforementioned players (Huff, Davis, Mario Williams, Hawk, Ngata, Bunkley) the Bengals would have to trade up to 13 (Baltimore) but since that is not likely then you would have to trade up with Saint Louis (11, since Cleveland is likely not going to trade with us either) and to get Saint Louis out of their spot you would likely have to trade 24, 55 and next years one, a hefty price to pay.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

if V Davis is available at 15 and they move up to get him giving up a 3rd this year and next you would be f*cking retarded not to want this. This would make that offense, well to good to imagine.

Vernon Davis for a first round pick, and the two other guys who are likely to be just as good as say Chris Henry and Landon Johnson?

You're not retarded for thinking Vernon Davis isn't worth that trade, you're retarded if you think Vernon Davis is the equivalent of a Chris Henry, Landon Johnson, and insert your favorite second best TE in the draft be it Fasano, Pope, Klopfenstein, Thomas, or Byrd.

Vernon Davis is not THAT much better than these guys, particularly when you remember that we don't use our tight ends much.

***EDIT*** Looking at who the 15th pick is from, I would, however, be willing to see us trade Kelley Washington, a 3rd round pick next year, and our #1 for the move up..... ***EDIT***

[ArmyBengal]

Don't get me wrong, I still believe the best pick in the first is a defensive one and like already stated, the ability to move up and take a pick away from one of our division rivals that is a NEED of theirs would be big in my mind !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Spain]

Dont hate the Postons guys, they saved us a s**t load on Adams!

[kingwilly]

***EDIT*** Looking at who the 15th pick is from, I would, however, be willing to see us trade Kelley Washington, a 3rd round pick next year, and our #1 for the move up..... ***EDIT***

...now that is a good idea! Throw in our extra r7 pick this year and I bet we get some takers

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Yeah I don't think anyone's saying to sell the farm for Davis, but I'm telling you that guy is one of the most gifted over-all receivers I've ever seen. He may be only 6'3", but he's built like a brick shi^house on racing wheels, with better hands than most WR's, and has speed to boot. He's a FREAK, I love freaks, as long as they stay healthy. I can only imagine Palmer throwing to him and CJ and TJ and Henry the next 5 years. Wow. Completely and totally unstoppable.

I think he may be the best impact player in the entire draft.

It's all just opinion at this point, but, that's my opinion.

Adding another so-so D-lineman or DE late in the 1st, does this team no good. You might as well just keep Justin Smith and Geathers and Thornton and Sean Smith.

It's why I think they'll ultimately take a CB, Center or TE with the 1st pick.

[BengalChamps]

Also......I'm told this morning the Benglas have tried to get in on trade talks with Atlanta for QB Matt Schauwb.

I think that this is most likely a ruse to gain leverage with Jamie Martin or with Detroit for Harrington.

There is no way that this is going to happen!

[Whur CHad At?]

Also......I'm told this morning the Benglas have tried to get in on trade talks with Atlanta for QB Matt Schauwb.

I think that this is most likely a ruse to gain leverage with Jamie Martin or with Detroit for Harrington.

There is no way that this is going to happen!

Exactly !!

[wookie]

if V Davis is available at 15 and they move up to get him giving up a 3rd this year and next you would be f*cking retarded not to want this. This would make that offense, well to good to imagine.

Vernon Davis for a first round pick, and the two other guys who are likely to be just as good as say Chris Henry and Landon Johnson?

You're not retarded for thinking Vernon Davis isn't worth that trade, you're retarded if you think Vernon Davis is the equivalent of a Chris Henry, Landon Johnson, and insert your favorite second best TE in the draft be it Fasano, Pope, Klopfenstein, Thomas, or Byrd.

Vernon Davis is not THAT much better than these guys, particularly when you remember that we don't use our tight ends much.

***EDIT*** Looking at who the 15th pick is from, I would, however, be willing to see us trade Kelley Washington, a 3rd round pick next year, and our #1 for the move up..... ***EDIT***

Vernon Davis is probably the 2nd best all 'round athlete in the draft this year. Second only cause a guy named Bush is as much of a physical freak but with a tad more football talent.

To say there isn't much of a drop off in talent between Davis and the other TEs, well thats just living in denial since we're probably going to end up with one of those other TEs. You'd be turning a blind eye to a guy who has a lineman's strength, WR's hands, and more speed than most CB's and Safties already in the NFL. He has all the potential to be a game-changing player at the next level.

Also, could it be that the Bengals didn't use the TE that much only because they didn't have a TE at the Heap, Gonzales, or Gates level?? And that they did have Johnson, Housh, and Henry?? I'm betting that Brat would love nothing more than to blow the dust off some of his old plays involving the TE. Plus, imagine what having that threat would mean. Cover 2 or 3 WRs and leave who to cover a TE who can run just as fast.

[joseph]

The only players projected to go in that range that the Bengals might be considering trading up for is Michael Huff and Vernon Davis. Davis I wouldn't be too hot on, but he does bring a unique talent set to the table for the TE position. Michael Huff would be fregin awesome! Exactly the type of safety this team needs to propel themselves to the elite category imo. He's a good tackler, he's good in coverage and he's a good blitzer. Plus a good character guy. With Huff and Williams at safety this team would instantaneously seem like they changed overnight. It opens up so many options as a defensive cordinator when you have a safety who can get after the QB on the blitz or matchup 1on1 with receivers while other players blitz. Plus his versatility and ability to play corner makes it less imperative to find a CB to replace James.

This is exactly the type of safety the Bengals are looking for and there is probably the one you'd feel most comfortable blitzing or leaving 1on1.

[wookie]

The only players projected to go in that range that the Bengals might be considering trading up for is Michael Huff and Vernon Davis. Davis I wouldn't be too hot on, but he does bring a unique talent set to the table for the TE position. Michael Huff would be fregin awesome! Exactly the type of safety this team needs to propel themselves to the elite category imo. He's a good tackler, he's good in coverage and he's a good blitzer. Plus a good character guy. With Huff and Williams at safety this team would instantaneously seem like they changed overnight. It opens up so many options as a defensive cordinator when you have a safety who can get after the QB on the blitz or matchup 1on1 with receivers while other players blitz. Plus his versatility and ability to play corner makes it less imperative to find a CB to replace James.

This is exactly the type of safety the Bengals are looking for and there is probably the one you'd feel most comfortable blitzing or leaving 1on1.

I guess you mean Huff and Williams a few years down the road. Or did you happen to forget the Bengals spent some money on getting a pretty damn good Saftey in Dexter Jackson??

If you want a DB, go for Cromartie from FSU, he's impressive and has the size and speed the Bengals crave. Or, go for Bullocks who will be ready to be an impact player when Jackson is ready to hang up the cleats or move on.

[Kazkal]

I wanna see Schaub start for a team....imo they should trade vick

[Spor_tees]

I could see this draft pick rumor to be true, IF we sign Arrington, or Harrington, or give some BIG money to another Free Agent. I only say that because if we only have to sign say three draft picks, that would free up about 2 Million in Cap Space.

Say:

1. We signed Arrington

2. We traded Our first, second, Fifth, Sixth, and Late Seventh Round picks for a top 10 pick, that would leave us with a Top 10 pick, Third Round pick, and Seventh Round pick.

If we then got Vernon Davis, Claude Wroten, and Ingle Martin. (or Mike Hass somewhere in the third or later), I could live with that. I think Marvin sees an already young team with a boat load of talent and wants to add the vetern mix to have them win THIS year.

Drafting Wroten only makes since...Chris Henry needs a new Toking partner since Duane Clemons got cut!

[ArmyBengal]

I didn't list Huff as a possible player that we might trade up for due to the fact we got Jackson, Madieu will be back, and Safties are WAY deep in the draft. Huff, in my mind is not an option to consider moving up for. Pay attention now, I'm not saying Huff isn't a good player, I'm looking at the big picture of the draft.

Again, I'm still in the camp of making our 1st rounder a defensive pick !!!

WHODEY !!!

[TJJackson]

DE Mario Williams or TE Vernon Davis would be the two I'd willingly trade up to get.

No others.

[wookie]

DE Mario Williams or TE Vernon Davis would be the two I'd willingly trade up to get.

No others.

We'd have to trade up VERY high to get Mario Williams. I think he has the potential to go in the top 5, or at the least #6. Davis would be more likely to trade up for, but there are a couple of other players who might be worthy of a trade.

[TJJackson]

Agreed....but they remain the answers (for me) to the question of who to trade up to get

I'll add that if I had to pick a third, it'd be Hawk

[bengalboomer7]

WWWWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why, with one of the worst defense in the league is everyone so high on a first round tight end. Now, we're trading up for one It doesn't matter if you can score 38 when you give up 45 (INDY)

I just don't see the infatuation with a tight end so high

I'm screwed Army, I'll get the spoon and some rubbing alcohol

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

WWWWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why, with one of the worst defense in the league is everyone so high on a first round tight end. Now, we're trading up for one It doesn't matter if you can score 38 when you give up 45 (INDY)

I just don't see the infatuation with a tight end so high

BINGO!

EXACTLY!

YOU GOT IT!

[wookie]

WWWWHHHHHHHYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!

Why, with one of the worst defense in the league is everyone so high on a first round tight end. Now, we're trading up for one It doesn't matter if you can score 38 when you give up 45 (INDY)

I just don't see the infatuation with a tight end so high

BINGO!

EXACTLY!

YOU GOT IT!

After signing Jackson and Adams the DE position and CB position are the 2 other spots that I think the Bengals have a need for. If you don't have the quality player you want for either of those positions at #24, then a trade up for a guy like Cromartie would be great. However, there is still a need for TE and a player like Davis doesn't come along every year. Why wouldn't you wat to give our young, and not so mobile, QB 1 more outlet to throw the ball to???

It may not have to be in the 1st Rd, but I think a lot of the guys on here just like what players like Gates, and Heap, and Gonzales, and even going back to Shannon Sharpe, have done for their teams and think that Davis might be able to do the same.

Not saying that Pope wouldn't, but you'd probably still have to take him at #24, after that I'd want Klopfenstein and he'll probably be there in the 2nd rd.

[ArmyBengal]

I'm screwed Army, I'll get the spoon and some rubbing alcohol

Don't worry about it, let me know when and I'll be there for ya !!! I'll bring the sterilizer !!!

Anyway, I don't think there is anyway we move up to take a TE when there will be something MORE than productive later on. The question then becomes, what position is not deep enough that if we were truly targeting it, we would move up to get ?? Also if we WERE trading up, the position mentioned was #15, so get the Super Mario and Hawk thoughts out of your heads, because there is no way they fall that far !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Stripes]

We won't trade up for a tight end, not even if Davis falls to #20. I doubt we'd do that for SuperMario either.

We've addressed temporarily our two greatest needs on defense in free agency. When the 24th pick rolls around, we will go with the best player available. That may very well end up being Leonard Pope, a tight end. There will also be plenty of defense to be grabbed, either with that same pick, or with our picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. We'll cover our needs as necessary, just not in the order some might expect/hope.

[HairOnFire]

I won't waste many keystrokes on this rant due to my strong belief that anything that begins with Lance as a source is hopelessly fugtarded from the start, but here's my short list.

Vernon Davis - I'm not thrilled with the idea of burning the two highest draft picks on any offensive player, especially in a deep draft for TE's, but Davis would give the Bengals a truly unique and elite TE prospect who brings a skill set unlike any other prospect in the draft. And as unlikely as it might be that he'd be available as late as needed...the fact remains that he's a true blue chippper who may fall into the 11-15 range due to playing a devalued position in a draft that has depth at TE.

Winston Justice - If negotiations to extend their own offensive lineman are going badly then this one has to be considered. Justice is projected to go exactly where the rumor points to, and he's played left and right tackle at a very high level.

Brodrick Bunkley - The only DT in this draft, besides Claude Wroten, who brings his own juice as a pass rusher, and unlike Wroten he doesn't bring character related baggage. Rare athletic ability.

That's it.

BTW, I agree that the Bengals will probably stay put and draft at #24. Where I disagree strongly is the idea that Leonard Pope deserves to be considered at that spot. In fact, I don't think I want Pope at all.

[Stripes]

I didn't list Huff as a possible player that we might trade up for due to the fact we got Jackson, Madieu will be back, and Safties are WAY deep in the draft. Huff, in my mind is not an option to consider moving up for. Pay attention now, I'm not saying Huff isn't a good player, I'm looking at the big picture of the draft.

Again, I'm still in the camp of making our 1st rounder a defensive pick !!!

WHODEY !!!

I agree. I just said his name for the crap of it. I don't want to trade up for anyone.