scott91575 Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Have you guys seen the Lion's first round recievers? Charles Rogers was injured almost every game his 1st two seasons. Then he was suspended for MJ most of his 3rd and in the dog house when not suspended. Mike Williams is overweight and not much of a WR in his 1st year. Roy Williams has been good, but often injured. Most of the time Joey was throwing to bottom of the barrell guys, and the Lions topped the league in dropped passed. Also, the OL is terrible and the offensive scheme was equally as bad.Joey is not the second coming, but should be a good backup. I'd take him over Jamie Martin.BTW, what I am hearing is Joey likes Miami better, but the Fins can only offer a 7th rounder (wouldn't you like a team that has a starter with a worse injury coming off his worst season ever?). So, if the Bengals offer a 6th rounder then they are in the lead. The negative is Joey may oinly sign a 1 year deal for $3 million with the Bengals. Looks like he wants the Fins deal of 2 years at about $2 million per and take his chances behind Culpepper. Plenty of cap, but next year the Bengals will be in the same situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 It's a big decision, as it'll directly relate to if they win or lose next season early on. This defense isn't going to bail out a team that can't throw the ball or score points, or get 1st downs. Obviously the coaches know which guy best fits their system. I do know that Harrington can throw a deep ball, and has a stronger arm, and is more gifted than Martin. So why wouldn't you want him starting games for you if Palmer isn't there? (over Martin) Harrington's got enough NFL exp at this point.Neither option is ideal compared to Palmer, but when you're looking at what might be your starting QB for the first two months, splitting hairs is some times necessary I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bengalbob Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I know PFT can be a sketchy source, so take this for what it is . . ."DUNN USING BENGALS AS LEVERAGEAlthough agent David Dunn supposedly has debunked a report that Lions quarterback Joey Harrington prefers the Dolphins to the Bengals as his next destination, word around the league is that Dunn has no intention of sending Harrington to Cincinnati, where another Dunn client, Carson Palmer, is the current starter.But unless the Dolphins think that Harrington has a legitimate alternative elsewhere, Dunn has no leverage in his discussions with Miami.The weird twist here is that the Bengals are genuinely interested in Harrington, since Jon Kitna has left for Detroit and Carson Palmer is rehabbing a torn ACL. But Dunn, we hear, is concerned that Palmer might not be at 100 percent at any point in 2006, putting Dunn in the awkward position of representing the two principals in a four-month quarterback merry-go-'round."http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 The latest gossip....Dolphins | Team takes a break from Harrington talks; just for a dayMon, 3 Apr 2006 19:51:39 -0700Armando Salguero and Jason Cole, of the Miami Herald, report the Miami Dolphins and Detroit Lions took a pause from the QB Joey Harrington trade negotiations Monday, April 3, but the teams are expected to resume talks Tuesday, April 4. The Dolphins and Harrington's agent "seem to be in the same ballpark," on a contract, according to a source close to the negotiations. The holdup still seems to be the trade compensation. The Lions want a sixth-round pick or better, but the Dolphins seem willing to give one of their three seventh-round picks. It is unclear if the sides could agree to compensation involving multiple seventh-round picks this year or a pick in the 2007 NFL Draft. Bengals | Team may be closer to reaching a contract agreement with HarringtonMon, 3 Apr 2006 19:49:19 -0700Armando Salguero and Jason Cole, of the Miami Herald, report the Cincinnati Bengals appear to be moving closer to a contract agreement with Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington. The Bengals remain a strong contender to land Harrington because they have their full complement of draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Rather have Arrington than Harrington if the Bengals are willing to fork out $3 mill for Mr. Happy Feet.Make the defense less like a sieve and put Carson's backup in a position where lighting up the scoreboard is less pressing. The likelihood of Harrington or any other QB left leading the Bengals to the playoffs is dim if Carson can't take over in time. Might be smarter to take a QB in about the 5th round of the draft and hope he can produce a few Ryan Fitzpatrick type performances right out of the chute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Rather have Arrington than Harrington if the Bengals are willing to fork out $3 mill for Mr. Happy Feet.What's bugging me is this: OK, the Bengals are apparently willing to shell out several million dollars for a top-tier backup. In fact, they appear to now be willing to give Joey twice what they were willing to give Kitna. Plus a 6th round pick to the Lions on top of that. And they want him for more than one year.Add all that up, and what I see is a real lack of confidence that Carson will be back. And not just in 2006. This looks to me like a team starting to build options at QB for a bit longer than just the first four or six weeks of '06. If that was all they wanted, a proven temp like Martin would make more sense.Probably, they're just being prudent, planning for a worst-case scenario. Still...there it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalskyspy Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Ok, call me a nut, a Buckeye that is, but I believe Krenzel is the long-term back-up for Carson, and just might win the start this year as Carson's back-up. QB is large part cerebral, and this kid has one hell of a cerebellum. He also knows how to win. We shouldnt judge his rookie year performance with the Bears. They were and are a horrible offense, and, even our beloved Carson would not have been successful there. Save this post and rub my Buckeye nose in it if he gets cut, for I shall do the same if my prediction turns out to be a premonition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I'm going with what I've been saying all along and that is I don't really want to give up draft picks at all. However, at this point in time I have to think the Bengals know the situation better than any of us and will make the move that gives them the best chances of winning, assuming Carson is out for more than pre-season. I'm also of the belief that Krentzel presents a viable option in that he won't cost the team anymore money or a draft pick. I know he had Bear's defense to help him out in Chicago, but he's more than vaguely familiar with the offense and I think at a minimum, has to be considered.I just want Carson back, because this just sucks !!! WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Add all that up, and what I see is a real lack of confidence that Carson will be back. And not just in 2006. This looks to me like a team starting to build options at QB for a bit longer than just the first four or six weeks of '06. If that was all they wanted, a proven temp like Martin would make more sense.Probably, they're just being prudent, planning for a worst-case scenario. Still...there it is. Joisey, grab hold of your butt with both hands...'cause this latest nugget from Lance is going to push you over the edge. "Also......I'm told this morning the Benglas have tried to get in on trade talks with Atlanta for QB Matt Schauwb. Problem.....Minnesota has interest and has more to offer. Bengals are leery of trading picks that could hinder a possible deal to move up for a "top 15" pick they like. (Who would we trade up for? TE?)The Bengals believe he is, "A Carson protoype at 6-5, 237....live arm.....great pocket presence. His ability to read defenses is impressive. His poise is impressive. He never gets rattled."He will be a restricted free agent in 2007." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Joisey, grab hold of your butt with both hands...'cause this latest nugget from Lance is going to push you over the edge.Yeah, I saw that one in the other thread. I'm not quite jumping yet...but if Lance is right (and that's a big if) then I would have to say this is starting to look a lot less like a search for a good backup and a lot more like a search for a potential new starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wookie Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Joisey, grab hold of your butt with both hands...'cause this latest nugget from Lance is going to push you over the edge.Yeah, I saw that one in the other thread. I'm not quite jumping yet...but if Lance is right (and that's a big if) then I would have to say this is starting to look a lot less like a search for a good backup and a lot more like a search for a potential new starter. Bite your tongue!!!!!! We are looking for a back-up, but ANY team would be trying to cover all bases. IF Palmer is not able to come back you don't want to be left scrambling, so you look into guys that might be able to take over...just as a precaution. This sport is also a business and the businessmen will be looking to try and cover all scenarios.Anyway, lets throw another log into the fire for a minute. How many of you have seen this??NASHVILLE, Tenn. (April 4, 2006) -- The Tennessee Titans told quarterback Steve McNair they don't want him working out in their building, a move that signals his 11-year tenure with the team might be nearing an end.McNair in Stripes?? I know he's been around, and it always seems like he has some type of injury, but he's a Pro Bowl caliber, Super Bowl veteran, type of playe who was able to start and win a lot of games even when he wasn't able to practice due to injuries. He'd be a lot better than Harrington, and who knows about Martin?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott91575 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I haven't heard any rumors, but I see McNair a Raider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 I think McNair'll be a Raven, bringing a sad end to the Kyle Boller era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Oh my gawd, somebody else is finally interested in Jamie Martin....and of course it's the Dolphins!!! Dolphins | Team checking into J. MartinTue, 4 Apr 2006 18:50:19 -0700Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Miami Dolphins are now reportedly checking into free agent QB Jamie Martin (Rams). It now looks like Martin could land in Miami or Cincinnati, whichever team does not land Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington. If neither team lands Martin, then Martin might have even more bargaining power. Lions | Harrington not heading to Cincinnati or Miami?Tue, 4 Apr 2006 18:48:24 -0700Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports a Detroit Lions official emailed Tuesday, April 4, that he would not be surprised if Lions QB Joey Harrington wound up somewhere other than Miami or Cincinnati. "There are strong indications of other teams getting interested as we get closer to the draft," said the email from the Lions. Dolphins | Source claims Harrington prefers MiamiTue, 4 Apr 2006 09:23:34 -0700Harvey Fialkov, of the Sun-Sentinel, reports a source claims Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington prefers the Miami Dolphins over the Cincinnati Bengals because he feels he will have more of an opportunity to display his skills while Dolphins QB Daunte Culpepper (knee) recovers from knee surgery. Both Harrington and Culpepper are entering a new system, while Bengals QB Carson Palmer has three years of experience in the Bengals system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Seems to me Harrington has no interest in being a Bengal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 Seems to me Harrington has no interest in being a Bengal And God smiled upon the Bengals !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 more joey bits...Bengals | Team balking at Lions' asking price?Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:36:40 -0700Greg A. Bedard, of the Palm Beach Post, reports the Cincinnati Bengals are offering Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington a one-year contract. The Bengals have balked at meeting the Lions' trade demands for Harrington. The Lions are letting it be known that they are prepared to wait until the summer to trade Harrington in order to get what they want. Dolphins | Lions asking price too much for Harrington?Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:35:59 -0700Greg A. Bedard, of the Palm Beach Post, reports the Miami Dolphins have agreed to the framework of a two-year contract with Detroit Lions QB Joey Harrington, but are having trouble meeting the Lions' asking price in a trade. According to a source, the Lions want the Dolphins' third- or fourth-round pick in the April 29 NFL Draft. The Dolphins have resisted because they have previously traded away their second-, fifth- and sixth- round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 3rd or 4th for Harrington ??How about a great big F*CK YOU to the Lions !!! WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 f**k them, they are hard balling us, did you guys see on PFT that Palmer might miss the 06 season. Its in the harrington article I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 There's no way we're giving up a 4 or 5 for Harrington (an unproven commodity) when Moulds ( a legit proven star) was had for a 5.Let the Dolphins (or some other team) pay that price. We'll sign Martin or Wright instead at the cost of zero picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 If you want to believe everything you read on PFT, then be my guest, (Probably where you got the idea of Arrington) but they are less than accurate the majority of the time...The Lions playing hardball in regards to holding on to Harrington is a joke at best. They can wait all they want, but sooner or later, they will HAVE to release him... If we truly want his monkeyass, I say we wait...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 The Lions can demand a 3rd or 4th round pick, but it's just bluster. All things considered I think I'd welcome the news that Miami had just signed Jamie Martin, leaving the Bengals as the last man standing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 If you want to believe everything you read on PFT, then be my guest, (Probably where you got the idea of Arrington) but they are less than accurate the majority of the time...The Lions playing hardball in regards to holding on to Harrington is a joke at best. They can wait all they want, but sooner or later, they will HAVE to release him... If we truly want his monkeyass, I say we wait...WHODEY !!!I disagree, they get it right more often than not, but it is a crapshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 The Lions playing hardball in regards to holding on to Harrington is a joke at best. They can wait all they want, but sooner or later, they will HAVE to release him... If we truly want his monkeyass, I say we wait...WHODEY !!!The Lions can demand a 3rd or 4th round pick, but it's just bluster. All things considered I think I'd welcome the news that Miami had just signed Jamie Martin, leaving the Bengals as the last man standing.In a sense, yes - the few bidders, the lower the priceBut in another sense, there is a problem in that the Bengals will want this new QB in minicamps, and before that, absorbing the new playbook as soon as possible. Each day that it goes without the 2 QB, we lose a day of preparing this fellow. So as each day passes, the price may indeed go down, but also the value of bringing the guy on goes downIt is also not clear that the Dolphin are the ONLY team interested in Harrington. There are rumblings that there are other teams quietly making inquiries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 5, 2006 Report Share Posted April 5, 2006 The Lions playing hardball in regards to holding on to Harrington is a joke at best. They can wait all they want, but sooner or later, they will HAVE to release him... If we truly want his monkeyass, I say we wait...WHODEY !!!The Lions can demand a 3rd or 4th round pick, but it's just bluster. All things considered I think I'd welcome the news that Miami had just signed Jamie Martin, leaving the Bengals as the last man standing.In a sense, yes - the few bidders, the lower the priceBut in another sense, there is a problem in that the Bengals will want this new QB in minicamps, and before that, absorbing the new playbook as soon as possible. Each day that it goes without the 2 QB, we lose a day of preparing this fellow. So as each day passes, the price may indeed go down, but also the value of bringing the guy on goes downIt is also not clear that the Dolphin are the ONLY team interested in Harrington. There are rumblings that there are other teams quietly making inquiries. Good point, I just think I have such a distaste for Harrington, it's hard to see any possible good at times...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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