HoosierCat Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Props to Robb, who takes the chair as official Bengalszone Draft Guru this year! http://www.bengalszone.com/article.php?sid=390 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Is Robb Hoff Scweinhart? Because it's almost the exact same draft, but I don't know how you get schweinhart out of Robb Hoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 I really like Cromartie and would be happy to have him on the Bengals -- IF his knee checks out okay!Otherwise, I like Ko Simpson for the Bengals at 24. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Cromartie? Hell no! You all got on my ass last year about Crowder becuase he had injury probelms...so why would even think about drafting a guy coming off an injury like this. We will take Ko Simpson or Darnell Bing with the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Those injury concerns HAVE to be a huge concern for any team considering Cromartie in the 1st. I believe many of us have made the comment after Carson went down about, the ACL, MCL aren't a bad injury for a QB to come back from, but the CB position is another story. Add to that the injured hamstring as well and there's no way this pick wouldn't bother you in the 1st. We shall see. Crowder on the other hand had an even worse injury history, so I don't think you can compare the two at this point... (I don't think you were though)WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted February 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Well, we should get a look at him...NCAA | Cromartie will participate in Combine?Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:41:07 -0800During his NFL Combine interview, Florida State CB Antonio Cromartie (knee, hamstring) measured a height of 6-2 1/2 and a weight of 208 pounds. He has been working out in Atlanta with Infinity Sports and his trainer Malcolm Williams. His agent is Jason Fletcher. He has been medically cleared to participate in the entire workout after tearing his MCL, ACL, and hamstring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Those injury concerns HAVE to be a huge concern for any team considering Cromartie in the 1st. I believe many of us have made the comment after Carson went down about, the ACL, MCL aren't a bad injury for a QB to come back from, but the CB position is another story. Add to that the injured hamstring as well and there's no way this pick wouldn't bother you in the 1st. We shall see. Crowder on the other hand had an even worse injury history, so I don't think you can compare the two at this point... (I don't think you were though)WHODEY !!!Crowder did have a more extensive injury history (like 7 knee surgeries) but he has definitely proven his naysayers wrong with his play for the Dolphins...so far. But even then, knee injuries for a LB sure do seem like they can be better overcome than the same for a CB. There might not be a starting CB in the league right now who has had this kind of extensive knee repair. It'll be interesting to see how he sizes up at the combine on Tuesday. And if he fares well and shows little or no signs of being less than he was, at least 1 major area of concern will have been addressed to a limited degree in front of scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 CrowderC-C-C-Crow-der! C-C-C-Crowder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 CrowderC-C-C-Crow-der! C-C-C-Crowder! ((Squawk)) Channing Crowder. ((Squawk)) ((Peep)) Antonio Cromartie. ((Peep)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 CrowderC-C-C-Crow-der! C-C-C-Crowder! ((Squawk)) Channing Crowder. ((Squawk)) ((Peep)) Antonio Cromartie. ((Peep))Crowder is a freak of an athlete, if any of you guys watched a dolphins game this year you would know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted February 27, 2006 Report Share Posted February 27, 2006 Crowder is a freak of an athlete, if any of you guys watched a dolphins game this year you would know. I did watch one Dolphin game last season. Against the Browns. The Dolphins completely rolled over after about half a quarter had been played. BTW, I've mentioned this before but I loved the squawking Channing Crowder stuff simply because it's funny. No kidding, I couldn't care less who was right or wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WretchedOne Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 NO WAY we pass on Hali if he were to drop to us.Absolutely NO WAY.I'd take Marshall or Joseph over Cromartie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 Hali looks limited position wise. He'll be a LDE in a 4-3 up against RTs because he's not quick enough to make a dent against more athletic LTs the way even a lower Day 1 pick like Eric Henderson would. In a 3-4 scheme, Hali looks like he's got a better shot at bulking up to DE than OLB because, again, he's not going to have the type of quickness to react in open field...All probably played a big part in why he was a combine no-show. Gotta like Hali for the effort he gives and the shape he's in, but his limitations should define him in this draft.Cromartie is going to have to run a sub-4.4 40 to get the buzz going on him among the coaches there. Plus, he'll have to show his cuts and backpedal are up to NFL speed. But a recovered Cromartie? There's no comparison between him and the rest of the entire CB class. Cromartie is a freak of the Vernon Davis, Mike Huff, and Mario Williams order at his position if he can come back from such a massive injury, which he has already shown he has to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted February 28, 2006 Report Share Posted February 28, 2006 I pimped this guy in another thread, but Manny Lawson (NC State) is shooting up the boards after the combine...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 Lawson made some major money with his measurables. How good would it be to have a 6-5 DE who can stand jump 40 inches off the ground, plus in his spare time use the quickness of his 4.4 speed to get around the edge? The only downside to him as a 4-3 DE is his weight, but he's improved that since he was a junior and probably isn't so skin tight he couldn't add another 10-15 pounds. Definitely a consideration for the Bengals at #24. He should be able to pass rush at end just like he did at NC State and has a high ceiling. No question about the impact a speed rush DE can bring, so long as it's more like Dwight Freeney and less like Reinhard Wilson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 You have to look at everyone but I would hesitate to use a R1 pick on Cromartie. R1 pick cannot be a crapshoot. Too much risk with Cromartie's knee to use R1 pick IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 I'm going to agree with the hesitation about using #24 on Cromartie for a few reasons.1. Immediate impact: There are players who will be there at #24 who will take as much guesswork out of the draft selection process as possible. If the Bengals opt not to draft to strength or take the best available, then immediate impact at the least productive position should be their course, provided there is some other aspect of added value brought to the field by the player beyond a one-dimensional position need.2. Injury exposure: I think Cromartie's knee is healed. But the main concern I see with his medical issue is that his style of play actually lends itself to exposed risk of major injury -- much like another recent #24.3. Experience: If Cromartie could step in for James by opening game, I'd be inclined to say use #24 on him. But there's just not enough track record with him to make that less of a crapshoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 1, 2006 Report Share Posted March 1, 2006 You have to look at everyone but I would hesitate to use a R1 pick on Cromartie. R1 pick cannot be a crapshoot. Too much risk with Cromartie's knee to use R1 pick IMO.I disagree... I think if a player has enough upside, then sometimes you have to take the chance when it presents itself... A la the Bills going with McGahee a few years ago. He seems to be fine, I wouldn't object to the pick at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I'm not so much worried about the injury, that will heal up. I like the idea of taking him, since he could be a versatile guy who can shift over and step in at safety...I think one drawback would be his overall lack of experience, mostly due to injury. In the end, I think there are better, more impactful players at the spots where we draft: 24, 55, 91, 122, etc.r1 -24 - is too big a risk, considering who else will be there...Bullocks, Kiwi, Pope, Watson, Allen...r2 -55 - he'll probably be gone and the CB's who will be there are also very very good...Jennings(both), Marshall, Martin, Webb.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 2, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 Updated & second round added: http://www.bengalszone.com/article.php?sid=393Robb's choices:1: DB Donte Whitner, Ohio State2: DT John McCargo, North Carolina State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 McCargo ?? Not to question his ability, but most don't have him in the top 10 of DT's in the draft and haven't seen him go any earlier than the 3rd. Not to say he's not a 2nd round talent, but I can't see taking him as the 4th DT taken off the board... This would probably piss me off pretty good. WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROIIIDayton Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 this mock draft isn't that good. I really doubt us taking a Saftey in the first round unless Jimmy Williams falls. I think we will take a CB, TE, or OL. We will take Bunkley if he is there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't see how any mock draft can be called good or bad... It is all speculation, it is a guessing game after about the first 5 picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 I don't see how any mock draft can be called good or bad... It is all speculation, it is a guessing game after about the first 5 picks.what he said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GROIIIDayton Posted March 2, 2006 Report Share Posted March 2, 2006 When you guess that some teams are going to take players that will be third round at best in the second round that isn't a very good guess. If the first five are so predictable then lets hear them. I will bet you $500 that you can't even get the first five right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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