Whats the latest on Palmer?

[WillisXPress]

Is there any news as to how his rehab is going, and how the surgery went... last I heard the intial reaction was that it was bad, but the surgery went well....

is he out of the surgical wrap yet?.... did they have him working on Range of motion at all?

Oh, and Go Seahawks.

[Whur CHad At?]

Chad said today on NFL Live that he spoke to Carson two days ago and he is doing fine. He said Carson said he will be ready for some training camp, but he thinks he might miss some games in September. But this is all according to Chad

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Well he'll be able to walk around normally and throw on the side and in non-contact passing drills during training camp most likely (which is probably what he means), but playing in the preseason is a stretch at this point I would think.

Certainly if he can open the season it'll be a wonderful thing for all of us after the last two months.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Oh, and Go Seahawks.

Damn straight Willis. Go Seahawks!

[bengalindian]

Chad picked the Steelers to win today on SC. But he was pretty funny on things he said about the game.

I think Carson will miss two games in the regular season, but will be in full swing by week 6, and hopefully, it'll be like he never missed a beat.

[HoosierCat]

Hobson:

Palmer rehab update

February 1, 2006

Posted: 4 p.m.

Bengals QB Carson Palmer underwent an examination Tuesday in Houston for evaluation of his progress since his Jan. 10 knee surgery. The exam was conducted by Dr. Lonnie E. Paulos of Houston’s Methodist Sports Institute, who performed the January surgery on Palmer.

“Dr. Paulos has told us that Carson is progressing just as we hoped he would,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis. “Carson still has much rehab work ahead, obviously, but at this point he is on schedule for our goal of having him ready to open the 2006 season. This is encouraging news for everyone in our organization.”

Palmer has returned to Los Angeles, where he has been doing rehabilitation work at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic. The Bengals medical and training staffs are overseeing his rehabilitation, and plans are for Palmer to shift his rehab base to Cincinnati at a date yet to be determined.

Palmer suffered two torn left knee ligaments (ACL and MCL) on the second Bengals offensive snap of the Jan. 8 Wild Card playoff game against the Pittsburgh Steelers at Paul Brown Stadium

[derekshank]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

[WillisXPress]

Are you not gonna buy tickets if he's not ready for the opener though?

Good to hear that he's on schedule... nobody likes to see a young star go down like that.....unless his name is Roethlisburger.... bwahahahahaha!

[walzav29]

I agree with Boomer though. The Bengals can't mortgage the future by rushing Palmer back. 9 months is a long time though. I think he'll play by the 4th week. I hope they have the easy one's early.

[HairOnFire]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

It's way too early for anyone to project when Palmer might return, but the positive update is a good sign that there were no complications suffered by doing the surgery before the swelling had gone down. Some sources still claim that this poses a greater risk of infection, but others discount that because the knee always blows up as a result of the medical procedure. Regardless, the trend now is to do the surgery as early as possible in an attempt to get a head start on rehab, which is exactly what happened with Palmer. So at the risk of making too much out of too little news, the positive update implies that there were no early complications and the best case scenario regarding a return by the start of the season is still possible.

[derekshank]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

It's way too early for anyone to project when Palmer might return, but the positive update is a good sign that there were no complications suffered by doing the surgery before the swelling had gone down. Some sources still claim that this poses a greater risk of infection, but others discount that because the knee always blows up as a result of the medical procedure. Regardless, the trend now is to do the surgery as early as possible in an attempt to get a head start on rehab, which is exactly what happened with Palmer. So at the risk of making too much out of too little news, the positive update implies that there were no early complications and the best case scenario regarding a return by the start of the season is still possible.

I agree... I wasn't saying this was a false report. I'm just wondering if we're going to hear a lot of negative reports about his progress. When people are considering buying tickets, and have the option of taking a week 2 game and a week 6 game, they might pick the game they think Palmer would be more likely to play in. Hearing anything negative about his rehab jsut reinforces that thought... and therefore costs Mikey boy money. My guess is that we will hear mostly positive stuff this off-season.

[Jet23]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

Believe me, all the reports will be positive regardless. The article said that the Bengals have imposed a 'gag order' on Carson. He is not allowed to discuss the injury. Does that bother anyone else? If everything is mai-tai's and yatzee, why is he not allowed to talk?

[HoosierCat]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

Believe me, all the reports will be positive regardless. The article said that the Bengals have imposed a 'gag order' on Carson. He is not allowed to discuss the injury. Does that bother anyone else? If everything is mai-tai's and yatzee, why is he not allowed to talk?

Do you remember the uproar after his doctor shot off his mouth to the press? I'm sure all parties concerned have been told that all comments regarding Palmer's injury go through the Bengals organization.

I'm not concerned because, frankly, I don't expect him back in '06. I think he'll be cleared for light workouts, non-contact stuff, throwing, etc. by training camp/preseason, but won't be at 100% until late in the season at best.

[Jet23]

I'm wondering if we're going to get nay negative reports about Palmer's knee all off-season. It seems to me that the Bengals would want the fans to think he's going to be ready for the season, so that we still buy tickets.

Believe me, all the reports will be positive regardless. The article said that the Bengals have imposed a 'gag order' on Carson. He is not allowed to discuss the injury. Does that bother anyone else? If everything is mai-tai's and yatzee, why is he not allowed to talk?

Do you remember the uproar after his doctor shot off his mouth to the press? I'm sure all parties concerned have been told that all comments regarding Palmer's injury go through the Bengals organization.

I'm not concerned because, frankly, I don't expect him back in '06. I think he'll be cleared for light workouts, non-contact stuff, throwing, etc. by training camp/preseason, but won't be at 100% until late in the season at best.

To be honest, I would rather they error on the side of caution, rather than risk a P-dub type situation. I tend to agree with you that this may be on the bad side of the spectrum. The only way we will know what the Bengals really think about the injury is by who they bring in to keep Carson's seat warm.

Here's to hoping the defense can improve by leaps and bounds...

[HoosierCat]

To be honest, I would rather they error on the side of caution, rather than risk a P-dub type situation. I tend to agree with you that this may be on the bad side of the spectrum. The only way we will know what the Bengals really think about the injury is by who they bring in to keep Carson's seat warm.

Here's to hoping the defense can improve by leaps and bounds...

Yeah, no doubt.

For the record, I don't think Palmer's injury is any better/worse than the "typical" ACL/MCL tear...but even "standard" cases have a 9-12 month recovery window...and on top of that if you look at comments made about other guys who've had similar injuries, it really takes upwards of 18 months before you're back at 100%. And like you I would rather have 100% of Carson in September of '07 then 80% in November of '06. Ain't worth the risk. IMHO, of course.

[HairOnFire]

I wasn't saying this was a false report. I'm just wondering if we're going to hear a lot of negative reports about his progress. When people are considering buying tickets, and have the option of taking a week 2 game and a week 6 game, they might pick the game they think Palmer would be more likely to play in. Hearing anything negative about his rehab jsut reinforces that thought... and therefore costs Mikey boy money. My guess is that we will hear mostly positive stuff this off-season.

(((Shrug)))

If I were betting I'd put my money on more sold out home games....regardless of what is reported about Palmer's injury. But I've got my doubts that there's much to report this early in his rehab. I be very surprised if they're doing very much to stress the knee at this point, and if there are no signs of infection then everything is probably on schedule....which the hand wringers will be quick to mention guarantees nothing.

And in this case I'd agree, as the real tests of how the rehab is going will come much later.

[derekshank]

To be honest, I would rather they error on the side of caution, rather than risk a P-dub type situation. I tend to agree with you that this may be on the bad side of the spectrum. The only way we will know what the Bengals really think about the injury is by who they bring in to keep Carson's seat warm.

Here's to hoping the defense can improve by leaps and bounds...

Yeah, no doubt.

For the record, I don't think Palmer's injury is any better/worse than the "typical" ACL/MCL tear...but even "standard" cases have a 9-12 month recovery window...and on top of that if you look at comments made about other guys who've had similar injuries, it really takes upwards of 18 months before you're back at 100%. And like you I would rather have 100% of Carson in September of '07 then 80% in November of '06. Ain't worth the risk. IMHO, of course.

I agree, and I don't. I definetly don't want the long-term success of this franchise to be risked by rushing him back before he's ready...

...at the same time, who knows how long our window will be open with this current team. Our offense is lights out... but this O-line is getting older (at least Willie), and isn't signed long term. The defense is almost there, with a few key additions. I just don't want to see us miss the playoffs in a year that could have been our superbowl year.

We all saw the Chargers miss the playoffs this year, despite some believing they were the best team... we all saw the Steelers barely sqeak in, and are now favored in the super bowl. The margin for error is slim.

If we can succeed just enough without him early in the season, mayhaps he'll be healthy enough to lead this team to a championship... but my guess is our success will be limited in his absense, and I just don't want another year thinking about what could have been. It's been bad enough the past few weeks... but it probably can't be helped.

[bengalskyspy]

I don't want to give this too much credibility, but I heard from someone who has a family member in the office where Carson's surgeon resides that the other Docs in the office believe that "it would be a miracle if Carson is able to come back from this."

That put a shiver through me. The other side of the story is I was talking directly to a local Doc, who also has a family member in that office and his comment was "no problem, he will be back."

So, even in the same family there is controversy. What is the truth?

[walzav29]

What was Jamal Andersons injury? I don't see QB's knocked out with knee injuries too often, but at this point who the hell knows?

[Riagogogoindanati]

HE WILL BE FINE.....GIVEN ENOUGH TIME. I WOULD BE MORE WORRIED IF IT WAS HIS SHOULDER...............OR HIS POOR LITTLE THUMBY WUMBY.

[Jet23]

To be honest, I would rather they error on the side of caution, rather than risk a P-dub type situation. I tend to agree with you that this may be on the bad side of the spectrum. The only way we will know what the Bengals really think about the injury is by who they bring in to keep Carson's seat warm.

Here's to hoping the defense can improve by leaps and bounds...

Yeah, no doubt.

For the record, I don't think Palmer's injury is any better/worse than the "typical" ACL/MCL tear...but even "standard" cases have a 9-12 month recovery window...and on top of that if you look at comments made about other guys who've had similar injuries, it really takes upwards of 18 months before you're back at 100%. And like you I would rather have 100% of Carson in September of '07 then 80% in November of '06. Ain't worth the risk. IMHO, of course.

I agree, and I don't. I definetly don't want the long-term success of this franchise to be risked by rushing him back before he's ready...

...at the same time, who knows how long our window will be open with this current team. Our offense is lights out... but this O-line is getting older (at least Willie), and isn't signed long term. The defense is almost there, with a few key additions. I just don't want to see us miss the playoffs in a year that could have been our superbowl year.

We all saw the Chargers miss the playoffs this year, despite some believing they were the best team... we all saw the Steelers barely sqeak in, and are now favored in the super bowl. The margin for error is slim.

If we can succeed just enough without him early in the season, mayhaps he'll be healthy enough to lead this team to a championship... but my guess is our success will be limited in his absense, and I just don't want another year thinking about what could have been. It's been bad enough the past few weeks... but it probably can't be helped.

I know what you are saying about the window of opportunity, but I am not really worried about the future of the OL. I really like what ML is doing as far as stockpiling young talent. Guys like Ghiaciuc, Wilkerson, Andrews & Kieft have a lot of upside. This team is going to get so much better when the young guys mature. This goes for both offense and defense. When was the last time the Bengals had so much potential from their young players? This goes for both offense and defense.

Let's face it, 2006 may be a tough year, given Carson's injury and the potential for a really tough schedule. But, if they are able to keep their core, 2007 could be one hell of a year.

[derekshank]

Here's a rough estimate of an ACL rehab timeline. It's obviously not an exact science... and Carson hurt his MCL too... but it gives you a decent idea of what to look for.

- 3-5 days: Initial physical therapy evaluation.

- 14 days: Achieve 90 degrees of flexion range of motion and full extension.

- 4 weeks: Achieve 120 degrees of flexion range of motion.

- 4-6 weeks: Achieve full flexion range of motion at 135 to 140 degrees.

- 10 weeks: Initiate straight plane running activities, no cutting.

- 12-16 weeks: Initiate early cutting activities and return to sport activities.

- 3-4 months: Completion of formal physical therapy intervention and initiation of maintenance program.

- 6-8 months: Full return to sports participation unrestricted.

Carson will be at the 4 week mark on Wednesday... which means even if things are going slightly ahead of schedule, there's still no story here. Talk to me around the beginning of April. If he's cleared to do cutting activities, it will be a good sign... and something the Bengals will definitely want publicized.

If we aren't hearing reports about him running and cutting in April... well, that will be a very bad sign. Until then, there's really nothing newsworthy to talk about.

[1 Winning Season in 15 Yrs]

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[membengal]

Mods, ban that f**k.

[derekshank]

To get back on topic... I imagine September 10th will be the first game of the season, and this is almost exactly 8 months to the day of his surgery.

The early reports were that it would take Palmer 8 to 9 months to be rehab. If it is 8, then he might be ready for the opener (not likely in my opinion). If it's 9, he will me 3 or 4 games. Roughly the same number that Roethlisberger missed this season. If he can make it back, and we can win even 1 or 2 in his absence, the season might not be lost.

As I mentioned before though... it's still way too early to tell. It is 100% speculation until we hear how his progress is going in April or May. But hey... if it weren't for speculation, this board wouldn't exist... right?