LABengalsFan09 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 According to Hobson, Marvin is looking to go in a different direction and Leslie will not be offered a contract for this upcoming season. Ouch.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 That different direction is apparently UP. Frazier had a tough early season this year with the injuries, but I think that ML saw the handwriting on the wall when he decided to start making some of the defense play calls (vs. Cle I think). This should not be that much of a surprise. And at least ML does it the right way by giving him the entire offseason to look for another spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Proly an upgrade w/ Bresnahan ready if they go the deal squared away.Curnutte has got Zampese headed to OC for Lovie in Chi Town. Safe to say Brat won't be going anywhere though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 According to Hobson, Marvin is looking to go in a different direction and Leslie will not be offered a contract for this upcoming season. Ouch.... Pretty stunning after ML saying a few days ago they would all be back. If this is about accountability, I am all for it. D was better, but not enough better. Even factoring in injuries. Very interesting indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 THANK GOD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Pretty stunning after ML saying a few days ago they would all be back. I agree. Maybe he just wanted to discuss it with Mikey, or not spring it on Frazier in the media...? Odd, tho, he's been very supportive of Leslie all year, even using the game where he called the plays instead of Frazier as an example that, it wasn't the guy calling the plays that was the problem.Guess we don't have to worry about Corey Simon anymore, tho... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 So who's in line for the job and what improvements will/should they bring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 That's a bit of a surprise. I guess some folks on this board are finally getting what they wanted. I think there was a philosphical difference between the two however. I think Lewis' teams have always been big on just rushing four and getting ample pressure with them. I think Frazier's background with Philly was to have multiple fronts and blitz more often.I will give Marvin credit for putting the team first and going with what he knows will work. Unlike LeBeau that wouldn't meddle with Duffner's defense when he became HC. He should have been more forceful in using the same things that were successful in Pittsburgh and have proven successful again there this year. The trickle-down now begins. I wonder which of the position coaches will be gone and obviously which players will be released next. Perhaps Marvin will call the D next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 This has been coming ever since they hired Bresnahan. Doubt this causes shock to anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I for one am shocked, especially since Marvin said already that everyone would have been back. I would have preferred to see Bratkowski go myself, but if this is what Marvin thinks is the best thing for the team then I'm all for it. Looks like Bresnahan will be the DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 That's a bit of a surprise. I guess some folks on this board are finally getting what they wanted. Well I certainly was one of those folks early in the year, but as the season progressed, I totally changed my stance on him. NOW they decide to dump him!?! I thought he had a definite job next season! That'll teach me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 1. I for one am shocked, especially since Marvin said already that everyone would have been back. 2. I would have preferred to see Bratkowski go myself, but if this is what Marvin thinks is the best thing for the team then I'm all for it. 3. Looks like Bresnahan will be the DC. 1. perhaps Frazier didn't want a new contract. we don't know what personalty / philisophical differnces there were between the two (as someone has already touched upon). Marvin doesn't wash his dirty laundry in public so I guess we may never know.2. Well, there's certainly been a warning shot across the bows for all players/coaches sinces Marvins been in. I don't think however that now is the right time to bring in another offensive scheme that a new OC may bring, when Palmer is still in early development. 3. I like the idea of promtion from within, especially with a bunch of 1st year players and some (probably) high picks from the draft. It's better to have someone who knows what the current personnel can do and play to their strengths rather than a complete new face coming in at this present time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 wow that shocked the hell out of me. bresnehan better get that D playing a ton better, otherwise he better fix the problems that we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 I agree Scottishbengal, but I hate Brat's cookie cutter offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 The AP's release. In BOLD is the AP's speculation that there was a "rift". Not sure if it's a rift with the two, rather the loud calls for Frazier's dismissal earlier in the season promoting Lewis' need to call a few defensive plays. CINCINNATI - The Bengals fired defensive coordinator Leslie Frazier on Wednesday, the first change to coach Marvin Lewis' staff since their 8-8 finish.Frazier was defensive coordinator in Lewis' first two seasons, when the defense's inability to stop the run was a glaring problem. Lewis said Monday that he expected all of his coordinators back next season.However, Lewis announced Wednesday that he had decided not to offer Frazier a contract extension."I credit Leslie for his part in leading the defense to where it is today," Lewis said in a statement. "But I see this as the time to move to another stage in our team's evolution."Lewis declined further comment.Lewis came to Cincinnati with a reputation for defense — he coordinated the unit that helped Baltimore win the Super Bowl in the 2000 season — but the Bengals have struggled to stop opponents in his two seasons as head coach. They finished 28th in defense in 2003, and were 19th last season.A rift between Lewis and Frazier surfaced during a 34-17 loss to Cleveland that left the Bengals 1-4. Lewis started calling some defensive plays during the game because of the poor performance. Lewis went back to letting Frazier run the unit after that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Scottishbengal...I agree wholeheartedly about it being good to promote from within in this instance. In the past, we needed someone to come in from the outside and give us a breath of fresh air, but in this situation, I think promoting Chuck would be a good move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Odd, tho, he's been very supportive of Leslie all year, even using the game where he called the plays instead of Frazier as an example that, it wasn't the guy calling the plays that was the problem. That's just an example of Marvin being a class coach. He doesn't hang his guy out in the middle of the season or jump on him in the media. I agree that they brough Bresnahan in in anticipation of this possibility and that the decision was made a couple of months ago, but they didn't want to disrupt the team in the meantime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Zampese is the greater loss. Him gone could be a substantial loss of continuity where it's needed most. Plus he proly should've been considered for Bengals OC w/ Brat getting bounced.Kenny Anderson, Turk Schonert, Sam Wyche anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Now's the time to promote Zampese and not offer a contract to Brat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Sox,Zampese is gone to the Bears to be OC, according to Curnutte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 congrats to zampese...we'll be fine without him. carson had 2 yrs with him and they'll get someone else to help him out even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Whoops.Read it again and Curnutte says Zampese is expected to be a candidate, not that he's definitely gone yet. Sounds like his ties w/ Lovie w/ the Rams would put him on the short list, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 NOOOOOOOO!!!! I've been planning Zampese to replae Brat for months now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 As long as these guys don't go to our division rivals, then i am sure we'll be fine.It is also refreshing to see guys being held to some level of accountability for the performance of their units. No Al Roberts' around here anymore! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Hey jjakg27, I seen you were on the ball the other day, you had the first Question in Marvin's enquierer chat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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