Who can the Bengals cut to take the CJ hit?

[walzav29]

I heard Rudi would be 3 million, there has to be some more guys to get it done. I believe they will trade him, but who would have to go? I think Henry could fill in for him if they plan to run the ball more. A run 1st mentality would make TJ, Henry, Chatman and a draft pick plenty good enough.

[ArmyBengal]

That's actually a good question that I have no idea as to the answer... I still think he will be a Bengal...

WHODEY !!!

[skyline]

So now we're not just letting Chad dictate his own way out of town, but his selfish "me first" attitude is going to cause another player to be cut as well? Let's hope that doesn't happen.

Hopefully Marvin was serious in his interview. Chad can play in Cincy or he can not play at all.

[ArmyBengal]

Agree Skyline, but we all know the "getting rid of Chad" thing translates into "getting rid of others" to pay for "getting rid of Chad"...

WHODEY !!!

[walzav29]

No matter what anyone says there is no way that this isn't going to be a huge distraction. Remember Dillon pouting while the Bengals were still fighting for the playoffs? I just don't want to deal with it. He's gotta go.

[HoosierCat]

They don't have to cut anyone.

Chad already counts $6 million versus the cap. It would cost an additional $2 million to trade him. They have more than that much space still free.

[walzav29]

Marv has lied to us a million times. He's just trying to get more for him in a trade.

[agreen_112]

Marv has lied to us a million times. He's just trying to get more for him in a trade.

Are you serious... Jeez man, just stop the nonsense. Chad isn't going anywhere but the bench if he decides not to play... Marvin isn't lying this time!

[bengalsfansince68]

A run 1st mentality would make TJ, Henry, Chatman and a draft pick plenty good enough.

I have made the same point a hundred times and it has been ignored on this board every time.

Few here understand the importance of the rushing game any more than phucking Bratkowski.

I'm telling you guys, establishing a strong ground game changes everything.

Walz, your point is cogent and incisive. Too bad no one recognizes it for the truth that it is.

[kingwilly]

A run 1st mentality would make TJ, Henry, Chatman and a draft pick plenty good enough.

I have made the same point a hundred times and it has been ignored on this board every time.

Few here understand the importance of the rushing game any more than phucking Bratkowski.

I'm telling you guys, establishing a strong ground game changes everything.

Walz, your point is cogent and incisive. Too bad no one recognizes it for the truth that it is.

Yes. Exactly.

Adding Utecht helps with maintaining effectivenss if CJ goes away, combine that with an improved running game, now w're cooking with gas.

The x factor here is Brat. "phucking" is right. getting him to incorporate a TE is a bigger stretch than expecting him to go bang in the running game. Brat will be as sour as a spoiled kid who's had his favorite toy taken away should CJ go buh-bye.

getting back on topic, cutting Thornton is a start. Other casualties could be Willie and Rudi, both have some question marks...especially in light of ML's comment about Stacey going to start "somewhere" on the line....let's see...Levi, Whit, Williams and Willie...who is the odd man out in this scenario?

[Oldcat]

I don't see the utility of cutting a lot of players who might contribute so that we can pay for cutting another player who might become a distraction.

At some point we have to field an actual NFL team, not get even with Chad and his mouth.

[GregCook]

I don't see the utility of cutting a lot of players who might contribute so that we can pay for cutting another player who might become a distraction.

At some point we have to field an actual NFL team, not get even with Chad and his mouth.

Yeah that is the trick, add by subtraction. If it comes to that. Too many possibilities to really know if this will be necessary. Could be that that extra 2 mill that Hair keeps mentioning can be absorbed in other ways without dropping other people. One thing I know, with Carson Palmer throwing, someone will get well over 1000 yeads receiving and another will get real close. Throw in a fresh stud RB and the world will be fine with or without Chad Johnson. If I were making the calls, I'd be looking hard at a deal in the draft to get another pick in round 2 for our wayward son.

[HairOnFire]

Could be that that extra 2 mill that Hair keeps mentioning can be absorbed in other ways without dropping other people.

Sorry, but I'm not the guy who keeps claiming we're only talking about 2 million bucks, nobody needs to be cut, etc.

I think you're confusing me with HoosierOnFire.

One thing I know, with Carson Palmer throwing, someone will get well over 1000 yeads receiving and another will get real close. Throw in a fresh stud RB and the world will be fine with or without Chad Johnson.

I don't know how fine the world will be, but I agree that if Chad Johnson has to remain a Bengal this season the team shouldn't attempt to punish him by sitting him needlessly or freezing him out of the offense. All I would want to see the Bengals do are the very same things I hoped to see before Chad melted down yet again. Specifically, fewer forced throws made in his direction and an emphasis placed on spreading the ball around to other options, including checkdowns. But if Chad's open I'm fine with him getting the ball.

In short, you don't punish Chad by denying him the football. Instead, you let Bengal fans settle the score in whatever manner they feel is appropriate.

[chrishcovga]

Well not to cut somebody because of Chad's tantrums, but to free up some necessary cap space ....

I'd cut John Thornton. - I just can't see how we pay this guy 3.5 million a year ??

We're confident that we'll end up with at least 3 - 4 compensation picks. A few mock drafts have already penciled them in, as the 3rd, that we're all expecting,

2 sixth round picks and a 7th.

So with 10 picks let's say....

1 - Defensive End

2 - Defensive tackles

2 - linebackers (one - inside) & (one - outside)

1 - Center

1 - Guard/Tackle

1 - Cornerback

1 - Safety

1 - Wide receiver/ return specialist

With two solid defensive tackles via the draft, we pretty much rid ourselves of a very underachieving overpaid defensive tackle in John Thornton.

[Thurmanation]

Could be that that extra 2 mill that Hair keeps mentioning can be absorbed in other ways without dropping other people.

I think you're confusing me with HoosierOnFire.

hahaha. Its funny because i confused you 2 when i first joined the board haha.

[GregCook]

Could be that that extra 2 mill that Hair keeps mentioning can be absorbed in other ways without dropping other people.

I think you're confusing me with HoosierOnFire.

hahaha. Its funny because i confused you 2 when i first joined the board haha.

Hmmm, anyone else OnFire?

Hey its true, one day in Franklin Ohio, my arm hair caught on fire...still have some scars from that! Anyone else been on fire? Maybe I should change my handle to ArmOnFire?

[fattyjay]

Could be that that extra 2 mill that Hair keeps mentioning can be absorbed in other ways without dropping other people.

I think you're confusing me with HoosierOnFire.

hahaha. Its funny because i confused you 2 when i first joined the board haha.

Hmmm, anyone else OnFire?

Hey its true, one day in Franklin Ohio, my arm hair caught on fire...still have some scars from that! Anyone else been on fire? Maybe I should change my handle to ArmOnFire?

More like BoobsOnFire!

[NJ29]

I'd like to see Chad gone, but I don't see it happening. I think the receiving corps now, even without him, is an above average one in the NFL. Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather see a greater commitment to the running game. It all really depends on Rudi. If he performs well, they can use Dorsey and Watson as interesting changes of pace.

[Oldcat]

I'd like to see Chad gone, but I don't see it happening. I think the receiving corps now, even without him, is an above average one in the NFL. Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather see a greater commitment to the running game. It all really depends on Rudi. If he performs well, they can use Dorsey and Watson as interesting changes of pace.

Sorry, we already cut Rudi so we could cut Chad.

[HoosierCat]

I'd like to see Chad gone, but I don't see it happening. I think the receiving corps now, even without him, is an above average one in the NFL. Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather see a greater commitment to the running game. It all really depends on Rudi. If he performs well, they can use Dorsey and Watson as interesting changes of pace.

Sorry, we already cut Rudi so we could cut Chad.

Works for me!

[Oldcat]

I'd like to see Chad gone, but I don't see it happening. I think the receiving corps now, even without him, is an above average one in the NFL. Like others have said in this thread, I'd much rather see a greater commitment to the running game. It all really depends on Rudi. If he performs well, they can use Dorsey and Watson as interesting changes of pace.

Sorry, we already cut Rudi so we could cut Chad.

Works for me!

Sure, Chris Perry couldnt POSSIBLY be hurt 5 years in a row!

[Oldcat]

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[walzav29]

I know I said cutting Rudi would save 3 mill, but he is only 28. ( I read the article on Bengals site). Maybe last year was bad for him because of injury.

[COB]

Marv has lied to us a million times. He's just trying to get more for him in a trade.

If this is true, Marvin and Mike are taking the concept of playing hard to get to new levels. And unfortunately for them, Chad is doing a really good job of playing hard to want. I tend to take Marvin at his word on this one. Which puts the ball back in Chad's court. It is up to he and Red House to escalate this situation. He tried yesterday by badmouthing ownership, coaching, and his teammates on the defensive side of the ball. That wasn't enough. Metastasize, baby, metastasize.

[kingwilly]

I know I said cutting Rudi would save 3 mill, but he is only 28. ( I read the article on Bengals site). Maybe last year was bad for him because of injury.

hmmm...not sure if I buy that...

I preface this by saying I really have enjoyed watching Rudi over the past many years. He was the perfect antidote for Corey, who I also enjoyed watching. If Rudi is cut, he would do well to go to a team where he can tandem at RB (Chicago, Caroolina, Denver, AZ, Miami), stay fresh and extend the time he is a high-paid NFL player. I would wish him the best.

To me, watching Rudi last year, even when healthy, he has lost what little lateral first-cut ability he had. I think he now has one technique:

1. Get ball

2. slow down

3. shuffle feet and stand upright

4. indecisively run into O-lineman of choice

5. move laterally to outside/switch direction

6. be tackled for -3 yards.

I'd like to see the stat on how many runs Rudi had that went for a loss. That would be a telling statistic. The times when Rudi went for 6+ yards were when there was a hole that ANYONE could have run 6+ yards.

I do think they will approach the run game with renewed emphasis. The O-line has the talent and ability to move people, and if Rudi cannot show the vision and ability to make a cut and hit the hole hard everytime then he needs to go. There is no room for a $3M/yr RB who avg. 2.9 yards carry, age not-withstanding, previous injury not-withstanding