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The Official 2008 Bengals Draft Question...


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This has turned into a yearly event, so since we are out of the playoffs and it's January, I'll kick this off.

You can follow my format or just thrown some names out there. Do it by round or position or whatever...

I'm going to just hang with the 1st round for the time being and go from there. I have stated numerous times that the D-line should be the direction they go in with the first pick, but would accept a pick to reinforce the O-line as well:

If we go D-Line:

DT Sedrick Ellis - Noted as being fast, strong and the disruptive force in the middle we lack. Size could be an issue though.

DE Vernon Gholston - If he declares, his 6'4 270lb 4.6 speed would be hard to pass up considering the need for a pass rush.

If we go O-Line:

OT Ryan Clady - You have to figure Jake Long is WELL gone by #9 and at 6'6 317, he would be worth the consideration.

If I had to pick one of these 3 as the #1 player I would want, it would be Gholston if he declares. The speed he brings off the edge is amazing and the size is exactly what you are looking for from a DE. Also, God knows what kind of scheme the new defensive coordinator will bring, but Gholston could also VERY easily move to OLB in a 3-4, but that is for another thread...

Have fun !!!

WHODEY !!!

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This has turned into a yearly event, so since we are out of the playoffs and it's January, I'll kick this off.

You can follow my format or just thrown some names out there. Do it by round or position or whatever...

I'm going to just hang with the 1st round for the time being and go from there. I have stated numerous times that the D-line should be the direction they go in with the first pick, but would accept a pick to reinforce the O-line as well:

If we go D-Line:

DT Sedrick Ellis - Noted as being fast, strong and the disruptive force in the middle we lack. Size could be an issue though.

DE Vernon Gholston - If he declares, his 6'4 270lb 4.6 speed would be hard to pass up considering the need for a pass rush.

If we go O-Line:

OT Ryan Clady - You have to figure Jake Long is WELL gone by #9 and at 6'6 317, he would be worth the consideration.

If I had to pick one of these 3 as the #1 player I would want, it would be Gholston if he declares. The speed he brings off the edge is amazing and the size is exactly what you are looking for from a DE. Also, God knows what kind of scheme the new defensive coordinator will bring, but Gholston could also VERY easily move to OLB in a 3-4, but that is for another thread...

Have fun !!!

WHODEY !!!

How about Calais Campbell a 6-8 282 lb DE out of Miami? 6-8 sounds like a pretty good size to a DE.

I know he's a JR but he may go anyway.

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Priority for first pick

1a) DT - run stopper with quicks

only a slight preference - happy with either - for the DT over the DE (and only because I want to see Pollack and/or Henderson get a shot at DE in 2008)

1b) DE - plays the run on the way to the passer

Have I mentioned that DE Calais Campbell declared for the draft last night?

2) OLB - emphasis on tackling and speed

Not an undersized tweener DE that we'll convert......no.....a guy who played OLB in college. Please.

3) LT - will play LG at first.

Whitworth to RT, Andrews to bench as top backup or gone via FA.

Optimal scenario - we trade down to 15-20, picking up a mid-2 in the process, selecting the best front seven defender available and an extra first day DL (DT or DE) with the extra pick.

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Priority for first pick

1a) DT - run stopper with quicks

only a slight preference - happy with either - for the DT over the DE (and only because I want to see Pollack and/or Henderson get a shot at DE in 2008)

1b) DE - plays the run on the way to the passer

Have I mentioned that DE Calais Campbell declared for the draft last night?

2) OLB - emphasis on tackling and speed

Not an undersized tweener DE that we'll convert......no.....a guy who played OLB in college. Please.

3) LT - will play LG at first.

Whitworth to RT, Andrews to bench as top backup or gone via FA.

Optimal scenario - we trade down to 15-20, picking up a mid-2 in the process, selecting the best front seven defender available and an extra first day DL (DT or DE) with the extra pick.

I have no problems with any of these. I don't care if the DE is first or second and the DT is second or first. The only thing I want is that these guys can hit period.

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I'm holding out hope we can sign Terrell Suggs in FA to replace Justin.

Assuming that Sedrick Ellis would be my pick. He's likely to be available. Of the 8 picks ahead of us, two will be Jake Long and Darren McFadden. There will probably be two QBs picked in there too, Ryan and Brohm. Glenn Dorsey and Chris Long will probably be gone along with a CB and maybe another OT. Gholston might be available too. If we don't sign a FA DE, I'd still take Ellis and look for an undersized pass rushing maniac in the 3rd or 4th round. Jonal St Dic is the guy I'd favor.

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I am pimping:

r1

Option a - Sedrick Ellis, most probable

Option b - Clady, not really a reach but this means we don't get the defender we want and Willie and Andrews are history

Option c - Chris Long, if we get him at 9 means his combine is not what they wanted in slots 1-6.

Optin d - Ghoulston (I am warming up to him), kind of a reach but is better option than a CB or RB

Option e - Laurinitis, same deal as Ghoulston. little bit of a reach but better than taking McFadden or a CB.

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whoever is the top DL on the board, DE or DT. Second round I wouldnt mind a WR... I think one more year of nuttiness from our WRs and one will have to gotten rid of, hell it may just happen this year. After that with all the extra picks I would go after all special team return wizards and any Somoan type DTs I could find.

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D line must be addressed either in the draft or free agency. We need a tight end badly too (but would brat use him <_< ). It's a low priority, because JJ does fine, but the schmitt kid out of wvu would be a nice addition to the offense.

I don't know if it's brat's crappy schemes or a reflection of the talent level, but the offense would be a whole lot better if it utilized the FB and TE more. They are allowed to run and catch :huh:

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Option 1 (likely gone): Chris Long - Intelligent, Passionate about Football, great genetics, a leader for a defense that definately needs one.

Option 2: Sedric Ellis - Might be a better technique guy than Dorsey just doesn't have the same frame, he would anchor our D-Line for a decade.

Option 3: James Laurenaitis - *IF* HE TIMES OUT FAST ENOUGH TO PLAY THE POSITION!

I am really hoping for Ellis.

Second Round I REALLY want Shawn Crable. I think he can be a monster, again intelligent, leader, always in the play. My gut tells me that Marvin is going to go 3-4 next season or at least play some hybrid 3-4 and Crable would be a perfect 3-4 backer.

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games solo ast tt TFL-yards sacks - yards

2 Crable, Shawn 13 55 35 90 28.5-85 7.5-38

From the U of M official website LINK: http://www.mgoblue.com/football/article.aspx?id=103934

Now I don't know about you but 90 tackles and 28.5 tackles for loss doesn't indicate "bad tackler" to me but I didn't watch a single Michigan game all year now that I am in Nebraska.

If his tackling fell off in '07 I can only surmise that it was because of a lack of front line support. He was a great tackler in '06 (and I watched 6 or 7 michigan games in '06) when he had front line support, in '07 he may of had problems with getting engulfed by O-Linemen which was even a problem for Ray Lewis when he didn't have guys up front occuping blockers.

The guy is always around the play and I am a big fan of linebackers flying to the ball.

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a WR in second round? remember that chris henry IS back now, I dont think a position your already shelling out big money for is worth drafting in the second round, plus its not that uncommon to find talent at reciever in later rounds (TJ) I'd look to get a LB in the first round, we need more playmakers in the front 7 besides geathers and more consistant play geathers included, but i do agree that we need a return specialist

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1a) Vernon Dorsey

1b) Sedrick Ellis

1c) Trade down for Gholston or Calais

LB is like RB - Great ones are available in Round 2, too many fair-to-middlin' ones picked in Round 1.

We do not need to invest Round 1 $$$ in DB, OL, RB, WR, or QB

Round 2 - BDPA or OT or TE

Round 3 - DL (very deep this year)

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1a) Vernon Dorsey

1b) Sedrick Ellis

1c) Trade down for Gholston or Calais

LB is like RB - Great ones are available in Round 2, too many fair-to-middlin' ones picked in Round 1.

We do not need to invest Round 1 $$$ in DB, OL, RB, WR, or QB

Round 2 - BDPA or OT or TE

Round 3 - DL (very deep this year)

yeah......VERNON DORSEY sounds great.....like a Frankenstein-ish type DE/DT hybrid.

sign me up!

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a WR in second round? remember that chris henry IS back now, I dont think a position your already shelling out big money for is worth drafting in the second round, plus its not that uncommon to find talent at reciever in later rounds (TJ) I'd look to get a LB in the first round, we need more playmakers in the front 7 besides geathers and more consistant play geathers included, but i do agree that we need a return specialist

not saying they should only that I wouldnt be all nervous if they went after one that early. If I was Marvin I go DT one round, DE the next all they way thru the draft, some of those guys would be Somoans

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The more I read about Sedrick Ellis, the more I want him in stripes. Even if we have to trade up spot or two to get him. I'd rather have him than the player many rate above him, LSU's Dorsey.

I don't have a close second choice.

All things being equal, I'd prefer a DE, but we sure could use a real stud DT as well.

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