raabeye Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I cant believe how many marvin supporters there are. iIf you support this guy then I guess you all also live average lives, with average wives, and have an average job making an average wage. This city and its fans are very disappointing for accepting 8-8 every year as if thats great. I think its about time someone took Marvin to task. Folks hes an OK coach, who has done a good job of getting this team out of the gutter. But he will never lead us to the super bowl, so long as he is minus Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Marvin has road the coattails of the offense- an offense that was already in place when he got here- while failing to put together any type of defense to complement the offense. Its about time to demand perfection and accountability from this team. Marvin needs to go. He did a good job being a defensive coordinator for the Ravens, but lets face it, that job was as easy as being the offensive coordinator for the 07 Patriots. So here are my reasons why Marvin should quit (Mike Brown will never fire him, so lets stop that talk right now)- feel free to add to this list:-Marvin has proven time and time again he is not capable of making sound decisions. -He has lost the locker room. -He treats us fans and the media like dogs (remember the "we have nothing at stake with the franchise comment)-His drafts are a disgrace. -He has been unable to draw any top tier free agents. (Sam Adams?)-Remember all those arrests?All too often the image of a city nationally and internationally is crafted by the performace of its sports teams. I know this first hand because of my job- I travel 200 days a year. And right now were the laughingstock of sports towns. And the sad part is Cincinnati is a great city- it really has everything a big city has, but with a small town feel. The whole region is going through a great revitalization that we may not see for another 100 years, which is why it bothers me deeply that we are considered a second class city by much of the country. Its time the world gets a positive view of our city- the first step is to get rid of this idiot coach and get some winning sports teams to help increase Cincinnatis exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I'm not sure where you're coming from on this...you wrote "us fans" and "we demand perfection" so I'm assuming you are counting yourself as a fan....so...are you dissapointed with yourself?At least you have an above average life with an above average wife and an above average job making an above average wage!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 IMHO Cincinnati is an above average town with way above average fans. We're just stuck with a below average owner making less than the best decisions for the franchise he owns. Do we need to insult the good fans because of this? We/they're not happy right now either I promise you, but short of boycotting games, (which will never happen by the majority of season ticket holders) what real options are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I am guessing you all live average lives, with average wives, and have an average job making an average wage. That about sums me up. Oh thank you raabeye, your words of wisdom have finally pulled the blinders off. I've led a life of quiet desperation until now. But your piercing insights have saved me. I'll divorce my average wife, quit my average job, then make a gazillion dollars and marry a supermodel porn star so I can then... uh... what was it exactly I was supposed to do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 Nice to see the same argument with the same person is being had in two different threads... I'm about to sound the TROLL alert on this one !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I don't necessarily agree with the dialog in the post but it's a valid point that Cincinnati settles for mediocrity. I don't think that it's a shock that the mediocre mindset has taken over our sports teams. I don't think that it's impossible to get back to the days of the Big Red Machine and the late 80's for the Bengals but this town has been so starved for winning for so long we're more accepting of 8-8 for example.I'm a native Cincinnatian and I love this town but you don't have to go any further to the recent "Banks" project to see that Cincinnati can't get out of the way of itself....meanwhile Newport has thrived for several years taking advantage of the riverbank scene. Ever been to another town and noticed how alive other cities are at night? There are people walking around, going to clubs and resturants, not afraid of crime. When was the last time you went downtown to hang out? Meanwhile other cities like Indianapolis, Louisville, Lexington, and Columbus are thriving and growing. Not us, not Cincinnati.When Cincinnati was growing as a city (1800's) along with commerce and trade past the Appalachian Mountains the city made a conscious decision to concentrate on utilizing the river as a means of logistical transport. The other means? The railroad. Chicago cashed in on that concept, look where they are today. There is that Mark Twain quote saying "If the world is ending I'm going to Cincinnati. They are always 20 years behind the times." That quote is from circa 1890. Yes, 1890.How do we demand better? Stop showing up? Don't but merchandise? I don't know. I think the fanbase is one of the most loyal and solid you will find. Whatever we do as fans we can't keep with the status quo and act as blind homers. We do that and Mike Brown won't do anything to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I'm not concerned with winning another game this season after watching NEw England and Dallas slaughter their opponents yesterday... There isn't any better teams in the league then those two, which WILL go to the Super Bowl... BTW, If you don't like the town then all you have to do is leave. I'll stay here and support my team like I always do. I trust that they'll get it turned around and start to head in the right direction. I acutally want a top pick next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I love Cincinnati. Cincinnati is a GREAT town and is my home. The problem with Cincinnati is it is not proactive to change because it is extremely conservative. The town could be so much better than it is. Go visit other places. You'll see what I mean. That doesn't mean I don't love Cincinnati. I'm just being a realist. Positive criticism is not a bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I love Cincinnati. Cincinnati is a GREAT town and is my home. The problem with Cincinnati is it is not proactive to change because it is extremely conservative. The town could be so much better than it is. Go visit other places. You'll see what I mean. That doesn't mean I don't love Cincinnati. I'm just being a realist. Positive criticism is not a bad thing.GOTDAMN SON_OF_A_BITCH!!! I can't believe what I just heard. EXTREMEMLY CONSERVATIVE is 1,000,000% correct. I've said it probably a hundred times on this board but never seen anyone else say the same. This town is way too conservative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The PatternMaster Posted November 19, 2007 Report Share Posted November 19, 2007 I cant believe how many marvin supporters there are. iIf you support this guy then I guess you all also live average lives, with average wives, and have an average job making an average wage. This city and its fans are very disappointing for accepting 8-8 every year as if thats great. I think its about time someone took Marvin to task. Folks hes an OK coach, who has done a good job of getting this team out of the gutter. But he will never lead us to the super bowl, so long as he is minus Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Marvin has road the coattails of the offense- an offense that was already in place when he got here- while failing to put together any type of defense to complement the offense. Its about time to demand perfection and accountability from this team. Marvin needs to go. He did a good job being a defensive coordinator for the Ravens, but lets face it, that job was as easy as being the offensive coordinator for the 07 Patriots. So here are my reasons why Marvin should quit (Mike Brown will never fire him, so lets stop that talk right now)- feel free to add to this list:-Marvin has proven time and time again he is not capable of making sound decisions. -He has lost the locker room. -He treats us fans and the media like dogs (remember the "we have nothing at stake with the franchise comment)-His drafts are a disgrace. -He has been unable to draw any top tier free agents. (Sam Adams?)-Remember all those arrests?All too often the image of a city nationally and internationally is crafted by the performace of its sports teams. I know this first hand because of my job- I travel 200 days a year. And right now were the laughingstock of sports towns. And the sad part is Cincinnati is a great city- it really has everything a big city has, but with a small town feel. The whole region is going through a great revitalization that we may not see for another 100 years, which is why it bothers me deeply that we are considered a second class city by much of the country. Its time the world gets a positive view of our city- the first step is to get rid of this idiot coach and get some winning sports teams to help increase Cincinnatis exposure.Does this guy realize how ridiculous he sounds, who are you Donald Trump?I really hope you choose another team to support because the only idiot around here is you. Mr. Above Average..you probably live in your mom's basement.Before you go ranting and this and that you should atleast get your facts straight. All of the problems you named existed before Marvin came here, maybe your too stupid to realize that or just too busy living your above average life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 After spending the majority of my life in the Military, I have traveled around the world and back again and have come up with one certainty... Cincinnati is BY FAR the most conservative city I've been to or lived in. Another correct statement is to look across to Newport... That could have VERY easily been Cincinnati, but NO, Cincinnati is more than happy with the status quo. I hate that, because I always enjoyed going into downtown when I was younger and the funny thing about it is, not much has changed since I was 10 down there. Some may think that is the "cool" part of the city, but I think it blows !!! There is nothing to do, the bars and restaurants close early, and I'm sorry but changing Fountain Square isn't the answer. I like what they did, but what about the riverbank ?? Cincinnati is missing out...Oh yeah, with all that, I'm still coming back to Cincinnati when I retire, because I still call it home and it's where I want to be...Maybe if I had above average expectations I could live in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or wherever this troll is from !!!WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 After spending the majority of my life in the Military, I have traveled around the world and back again and have come up with one certainty... Cincinnati is BY FAR the most conservative city I've been to or lived in. Another correct statement is to look across to Newport... That could have VERY easily been Cincinnati, but NO, Cincinnati is more than happy with the status quo. I hate that, because I always enjoyed going into downtown when I was younger and the funny thing about it is, not much has changed since I was 10 down there. Some may think that is the "cool" part of the city, but I think it blows !!! There is nothing to do, the bars and restaurants close early, and I'm sorry but changing Fountain Square isn't the answer. I like what they did, but what about the riverbank ?? Cincinnati is missing out...Oh yeah, with all that, I'm still coming back to Cincinnati when I retire, because I still call it home and it's where I want to be...Maybe if I had above average expectations I could live in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or wherever this troll is from !!!WHODEY !!!Wow, Army! I have to respectfully disagree with you on this one. Cincinnati isn't perfect but they have done a great job in terms of city planning. In terms of being conservative - I take it you've never been to Singapore?Our fountain square is generally regarded as one of the best examples of well designed and properly used city square in North America! Architecture and City Planning students going to school on the other side of the country read about and study our fountain square.Our riverfront is actually a great example of how to create riverfront that is highly accessible, that everyone can use, and that actually get's used! There are TONS of examples of cities in North America that have totally underutilized the opportunity they have with municipal waterfront. No there are no bars and restaraunts on our side of the river but they are walking distance away and you have to ask yourself...do you really WANT all those bars on our side of the river? Furthermore, downtown has changed an aweful lot in the past 15 years - property values are up, hundreds of new condos are being built, businesses moving in. Cincinnati isn't moving at light speed but they are definitely moving in the right direction. Just ask Rochester, Buffalo, Syracuse, Lexington, Louisville, Richmond, Hartford, etc...I spent 8 years in the Navy and got to see a lot of cities around the world. You're right in that Cincinnati is more conservative than many of those cities - BUT - I wouldn't want to LIVE in any of those cities either!Cincinnati has got the Reds, Bengals, Kentucky Motor Speedway, River Downs, UC Basketball (and now football), XU Basketball, a world class Music Hall, Kings Island, and tons of character. I can think of a ton of similar sized towns that would kill for what Cincinnati has!- and don't forget Skyline Chili! - We have a totally dysfunctional city council but I've learned over the years that most cities do...By the way...I don't work for the city!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Since we already have a representative from the Army and Navy, I will be the official rep for the United States Air Force ( similar to Army & Navy only our basic training was much tougher:) ). I have spent a lot of time in cities such as Chicago, St. Louis, Detroit... I always thought Cincinnati was backwards in many ways. But guess what? This is where I returned. This is where I am raising my children. People wonder how I can support an organization when I have zero confidence in the ownership. The simple answer is that I am a fan of how a winning team galvanizes the community. I am fan of how my mom (who is not even a sports fan) went on our front porch to bang pots & pans when the Big Red Machine won the series in '75. I am a fan of how the entire city was captivated in 1981 with the Who Dey chant. I am a fan of when Cincinnatians finally returned to sports bars to watch the Bearcats in the year they made it back to the Final Four. I am a fan of going crazy at Fountain Square when Fulrock cradled the interception, in the endzone, against Buffalo. I am a fan of the Nasty Boys, a Xavier team that took down the Beast of the East, 4192, this one belongs to the reds and saying goodbye to Nuxy. In short, this is my home, this will always be my home, and I can't help it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 After spending the majority of my life in the Military, I have traveled around the world and back again and have come up with one certainty... Cincinnati is BY FAR the most conservative city I've been to or lived in. Another correct statement is to look across to Newport... That could have VERY easily been Cincinnati, but NO, Cincinnati is more than happy with the status quo. I hate that, because I always enjoyed going into downtown when I was younger and the funny thing about it is, not much has changed since I was 10 down there. Some may think that is the "cool" part of the city, but I think it blows !!! There is nothing to do, the bars and restaurants close early, and I'm sorry but changing Fountain Square isn't the answer. I like what they did, but what about the riverbank ?? Cincinnati is missing out...Oh yeah, with all that, I'm still coming back to Cincinnati when I retire, because I still call it home and it's where I want to be...Maybe if I had above average expectations I could live in Pittsburgh, Cleveland, or wherever this troll is from !!!WHODEY !!!8 years in the Army here and I have to agree with ArmyBengal. No offense to the other comments but I'm not too worried about the lack of success in other cities. I'm only worried about the lack of success in Cincinnati. NOBODY would argue that Cincinnati is not a great city it is. BUT there is vast room for improvement and it goes well beyond the bars on the riverfront (which I wouldn't mind). It's a great city that CAN be better. Does it have the want and leadership to make itself better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Since we already have a representative from the Army and Navy, I will be the official rep for the United States Air Force ( similar to Army & Navy only our basic training was much tougher:) ). ...so I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 8 years in the Army here and I have to agree with ArmyBengal. No offense to the other comments but I'm not too worried about the lack of success in other cities. I'm only worried about the lack of success in Cincinnati. NOBODY would argue that Cincinnati is not a great city it is. BUT there is vast room for improvement and it goes well beyond the bars on the riverfront (which I wouldn't mind). It's a great city that CAN be better. Does it have the want and leadership to make itself better?Name for me a city where there isn't vast room for improvement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 8 years in the Army here and I have to agree with ArmyBengal. No offense to the other comments but I'm not too worried about the lack of success in other cities. I'm only worried about the lack of success in Cincinnati. NOBODY would argue that Cincinnati is not a great city it is. BUT there is vast room for improvement and it goes well beyond the bars on the riverfront (which I wouldn't mind). It's a great city that CAN be better. Does it have the want and leadership to make itself better?Name for me a city where there isn't vast room for improvement...Amsterdam.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Amsterdam.... ha ha!!! Unfortunately, hoping for Cincy to be more like Amsterdam is nothing but a pipe dream (thanks I'll be here all week!! don't forget to tip your waitresses!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Amsterdam.... ha ha!!! Unfortunately, hoping for Cincy to be more like Amsterdam is nothing but a pipe dream (thanks I'll be here all week!! don't forget to tip your waitresses!)I tipped more than waitresses when I lived there.... I kid of course....Maybe.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raabeye Posted November 20, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 I cant believe how many marvin supporters there are. iIf you support this guy then I guess you all also live average lives, with average wives, and have an average job making an average wage. This city and its fans are very disappointing for accepting 8-8 every year as if thats great. I think its about time someone took Marvin to task. Folks hes an OK coach, who has done a good job of getting this team out of the gutter. But he will never lead us to the super bowl, so long as he is minus Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Marvin has road the coattails of the offense- an offense that was already in place when he got here- while failing to put together any type of defense to complement the offense. Its about time to demand perfection and accountability from this team. Marvin needs to go. He did a good job being a defensive coordinator for the Ravens, but lets face it, that job was as easy as being the offensive coordinator for the 07 Patriots. So here are my reasons why Marvin should quit (Mike Brown will never fire him, so lets stop that talk right now)- feel free to add to this list:-Marvin has proven time and time again he is not capable of making sound decisions. -He has lost the locker room. -He treats us fans and the media like dogs (remember the "we have nothing at stake with the franchise comment)-His drafts are a disgrace. -He has been unable to draw any top tier free agents. (Sam Adams?)-Remember all those arrests?All too often the image of a city nationally and internationally is crafted by the performace of its sports teams. I know this first hand because of my job- I travel 200 days a year. And right now were the laughingstock of sports towns. And the sad part is Cincinnati is a great city- it really has everything a big city has, but with a small town feel. The whole region is going through a great revitalization that we may not see for another 100 years, which is why it bothers me deeply that we are considered a second class city by much of the country. Its time the world gets a positive view of our city- the first step is to get rid of this idiot coach and get some winning sports teams to help increase Cincinnatis exposure.Does this guy realize how ridiculous he sounds, who are you Donald Trump?I really hope you choose another team to support because the only idiot around here is you. Mr. Above Average..you probably live in your mom's basement.Before you go ranting and this and that you should atleast get your facts straight. All of the problems you named existed before Marvin came here, maybe your too stupid to realize that or just too busy living your above average life.Thank You! You pretty much summed up my argument- This problems have existed before Marvin got here, and they ARE STILL PROBLEMS! How can you seriously still vouch for Marvin? I am from Cincinnati. Born and raised. I live in Mt. Washington now. Just because I care enough to say the truth does not make me a bad fan. Folks quit hiding from the facts. We are in no better shape now than the Shula era. Maybe its not all Marvins fault, but fair or not someone has to take fault and they sure cant fire the whole team. Im hard pressed to belive many other football towns would put up with this mess. So why do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 Im hard pressed to belive many other football towns would put up with this mess. So why do we?A - No optionsB - Already paid for a hat, and there's no way to recoup that money.C - German heritage demands suffering and bloodshedD - HabitE - It costs alot of money to switch teams. (Registration fee, annual dues, new hat, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 F. Even in the losing, there is still value to having a team that far outweighs not having a team.G. Provides an outlet for people with emotionally stunted growth to have their tantrums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted November 20, 2007 Report Share Posted November 20, 2007 So the chips are down. Big effing deal. I refuse to deny reality - that injuries, suspensions, and failure of veteran leadership have doomed us to a crap year. Did you read Marvin's quote in today's paper, saying we have talented players, but some of them think they're better than they are? Goodbye useless vets who lose games for us and provide leadership that can only be called bad. This offseason will be a good one. Next season will be a good one.And raabeye, if you're tired of this average franchise and it's very obviously stupid fans, here's beauty for you: With the modern media and communications available to us all, you can be a fan of any team in any city. Here's a suggestion: Boston. The Red Sox win all the time, the Patriots are a juggernaut, and the people are a bunch of elitist snobs. Go find a Patriots board and join in the perpetual circle jerk I'm sure they've got going on over there. (EDITORIAL NOTE - I tried to paste a pic of a big "In Marvin We Trust" banner from PBS I found on another board. It was too big, and I'm too much of a backwater hayseed to figure out how to resize it. f**k it. I'm just going to head home, hammer down like half the skillet of hamburger helper, then pass out on the floor while my kids watch America's Funniest Home Videos.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damiancasey Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 Im hard pressed to belive many other football towns would put up with this mess. So why do we?Yes - you are correct - no other football towns would put up with a losing franchise...just Cincinnati.You really didn't think that one through very well did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 21, 2007 Report Share Posted November 21, 2007 8 years in the Army here and I have to agree with ArmyBengal. No offense to the other comments but I'm not too worried about the lack of success in other cities. I'm only worried about the lack of success in Cincinnati. NOBODY would argue that Cincinnati is not a great city it is. BUT there is vast room for improvement and it goes well beyond the bars on the riverfront (which I wouldn't mind). It's a great city that CAN be better. Does it have the want and leadership to make itself better?Name for me a city where there isn't vast room for improvement...I'm not concerned about other cities. I'm concerned about Cincinnati and it's improvement.Does that sound sort of like "there are plenty of other teams that go through bad stretches. We're not the worst in the league."?I see what you are saying, though. I'll say again, Cincinnati is a great city. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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