BengalChamps Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 I know we want go defense in the first round. But what offensive player would you take if they slide to our position in the draft? Pope,TE from Georgia would definately make me pause before taking a defensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 well yes if take any offensive position in the first round it will be t.e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Rookies are not counted on any more! They will be drafting towards the future. Im inclined to think the BPA will be Max Jean Gillis. He would rap our line up for years. Pope would be interesting also. He would bring an immediate impact. If we draft D the guy probably wouldnt start till the end of the year. So Im thinking they are going D in Fas. We need vets on D these guys are young enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Rookies are not counted on any more! They will be drafting towards the future.Where does this statement come from? You certainly can't be referring to Pollack, Odell, Chris Henry and Tab Perry. Or Madieu, Landon, Levi, and Steinbach, who all started as rookies. The future is now. Players are only signing 3-4 year contracts and the Bengals are too close to the promised land to be looking for any more 'projects'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Spain, we will not be drafting OL first round. We have bigger needs...you can just drop that idea all together. And your comments about rookies not being able to be counted on was just the dumbest thing I have ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 OK Palmer didnt play first year Perry didnt play first year Water Boy Didnt impact first year If we count on the draft to fill those D positions we are going no where. OK young guys have contributed, but to count on them to start I dont see happening. Thats the kind of thinking that kept us losing for so long. If were talking about the BPA, its Gillis. Doubt me. Who the the hell saw the Perry pick coming. While it is popular to draft for need its just not the way it is done. Marvin has a track record of bringing in FAs until they can be replaced by younger players. Marvin will draft the BPA and adjust his plans from there. IMHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLBurn Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Are you saying if D'Brickashaw falls to us that we pass on him? There is not one position that I wouldn't CONSIDER drafting in round 1.We ALL know that we need a SS, DT and probably a DE and TE too. If you look BEYOND the 2006 season, you will see that we have only Guy-check and Kieft signed to our OL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Are you saying if D'Brickashaw falls to us that we pass on him? There is not one position that I wouldn't CONSIDER drafting in round 1.We ALL know that we need a SS, DT and probably a DE and TE too. If you look BEYOND the 2006 season, you will see that we have only Guy-check and Kieft signed to our OL.I'd say no to some postions in the 1st =P QB(inless leinhart feel =P) but no RB would get me to say YES even bush because if he fell to us something was wrong....I wanna see us get SS or TE in 1st round inless ngata falls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Long time no see, No Kilburn we just have to keep getting better, Marvin said we are doing something about SS. Do you really want to count on a rookie to fill that? You must think for the future and fill imdiate holes with FAs. Its all about being a step ahead. Gillis will be there and he will be the BPA from my calculations. This is the best gaurd in college. If you put him with Bach your talking about the best gaurd tandem in football. I bet they look at Bernstein too, The guy is a monster on short yardage blocking. He hits the lead block which sometimes JJ doesnt. The guys a stud. I repeat in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 HELLO!?!?!??!?! TIGHT END INT HE FIRST DAY IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN IN BOBBY B's future, yet alone first round.Are you saying if D'Brickashaw falls to us that we pass on him? There is not one position that I wouldn't CONSIDER drafting in round 1.Dude, if Ferguson falls to us, not only do we take him, but we anonymously tip the league to start random drug testing on the owners and coaches of the teams that pick in the top 10 AND the middle 10.Then we draft him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Dude, if Ferguson falls to us, not only do we take him, but we anonymously tip the league to start random drug testing on the owners and coaches of the teams that pick in the top 10 AND the middle 10.Then we draft him.If that many teams were to pass on a top five prospect, there'd probably be a good reason for it. I'd assume we'd avoid him as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybren Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 OK Palmer didnt play first year Perry didnt play first year Water Boy Didnt impact first year If we count on the draft to fill those D positions we are going no where. OK young guys have contributed, but to count on them to start I dont see happening. Thats the kind of thinking that kept us losing for so long. If were talking about the BPA, its Gillis. Doubt me. Who the the hell saw the Perry pick coming. While it is popular to draft for need its just not the way it is done. Marvin has a track record of bringing in FAs until they can be replaced by younger players. Marvin will draft the BPA and adjust his plans from there. IMHONobody drafts players expecting them to start Week 1 and immediately turn a team around. Nobody. Arguing against a belief that nobody holds is just dumb. Even for you, Spain. Successful rookies contribute and get better as the season progresses. That's all teams expect. "While it is popular to draft for need its just not the way it is done." What the hell does that mean? It's like that Yogi Berra quote: "Nobody goes to that restaurant because it's too crowded". How can we possibly take you seriously?Marvin may have drafted the Best Player Available with Carson and Perry, but as he has had more time to turn the team around (and had fewer holes to fill), he has had more freedom to draft players that fill specific needs. Hence the drafting of 2 DBs and 2 LBs in 2004, and drafting 2 LBs and 2 o-linemen in 2005.The only way Marvin drafts a player he doesn't "need" is if somehow a top 10 player falls down to the 24th pick. Other than that remote possibility, Marvin will have enough latitude to choose the best player in the position(s) he wants to fill. As we drop lower in the draft order, the Best Player Available isn't going to be remarkably better than the 3rd or 4th Best Player Available, who also happens to play a position we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Its possible Pope could be there if teams wanting a TE choose Lewis and Davis first.... Dont know how many are looking for TE's ( Chicago comes to mind).....Is Pope a better prospect than Darnel Bing or Gabe Watson? Maybe..What does the team need?? defense...go for it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 It is certainly possible the Bengals will draft an OL if he is the top player on their board at that point, just as they drafted a RB when that wasn't their need at the time.I myself will be OK with a pick of an excellent TE, OT, or OG in round 1 if all the equal quality S's, DT's, and DE's are gone. However, I won't be happy with a WR, RB, QB, or C at that spot no matter how good they are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 All I can say is WOW.Everybody sure woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, huh? Everybody needs to chill...BTW, we will draft Darnell Bing in the first round, unless Michael Huff is passed over by all the smokin' owners, GMs and Coaches of everyother organization that drafts before us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 It is certainly possible the Bengals will draft an OL if he is the top player on their board at that point, just as they drafted a RB when that wasn't their need at the time.It wasn't a need when our only running backs were Rudi Johnson, who we had only a 1 year deal with, and Kenny Watson, who we pretty much knew couldn't take a full season of pounding? I'd say Perry was a HUGE need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Palmer sat to learn for a year (Good choice)Perry was hurt his whole rookie yearWho cares about what Walter did his rookie year (I didn't even know who he was then)If Pope is there when we pick, he HAS TO BE CONSIDERED... I still think there are other needs and other people being targeted, but Pope would be huge to this offense. If there is someone who is hellbent on us taking an o-lineman in the first, then come up with some wager and I will take it... We WON'T take O-line in the 1st. Don't give me this what if Ferguson drops to us horsecrap either... What if a winged dog flew up your dumba$$, what then ?? I'm with the line of thought of waiting until FA to figure out anything else...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 It is certainly possible the Bengals will draft an OL if he is the top player on their board at that point, just as they drafted a RB when that wasn't their need at the time.I myself will be OK with a pick of an excellent TE, OT, or OG in round 1 if all the equal quality S's, DT's, and DE's are gone. However, I won't be happy with a WR, RB, QB, or C at that spot no matter how good they are.What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 If Pope is there when we pick, he HAS TO BE CONSIDERED... I still think there are other needs and other people being targeted, but Pope would be huge to this offense.No, he really doesn't need to be considered. A tight end from the first round in our offense is a waste of a pick. Schobel was a "pass receiving" tight end. But he got so rusty because WE DO NOT USE OUR TIGHT END TO CATCH PASSES, that when he was called on, he had butterfingers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 NO OFFENSE IN FIRST ROUNDWE HAVE BIGGER NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And the thought of drafting an OL in the first rounds is stupid. We are fine for now, and Ben Wilkerson is going to be groomed into taking over for Bobbie Williams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 NO OFFENSE IN FIRST ROUNDWE HAVE BIGGER NEEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!And the thought of drafting an OL in the first rounds is stupid. We are fine for now, and Ben Wilkerson is going to be groomed into taking over for Bobbie Williamsyou're crazy.If one of the top tackles drops to us, or all the TE's and good D linemen are gone, look for us to take MAx jean Gilles, man is the next version of Larry allen.If winston Justice, or Fergason are there I'll beg the bengals to take them. we could extend Levi and have Willie play out his contract, we'd b set at tackle for the next 5years, and almost automatically have the best o line in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 All this speculating is fun,but we don't really know what the Bengals needs will be come draft day.Free agency will determine the needs.If the Bengals sign no one,there will be the obvious holes,DE,DT,SS,TE,and even corner.But what if they sign Archuleta and a DT before the draft?The choices then become easier.Another thing-there will be a player that is projected as a first round choice(at this very time)that will slide to the later rounds.Remember Channing Crowder and Hawthorne last year?For now,I'll just enjoy the mock drafts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 All this speculating is fun,but we don't really know what the Bengals needs will be come draft day.Free agency will determine the needs.If the Bengals sign no one,there will be the obvious holes,DE,DT,SS,TE,and even corner.But what if they sign Archuleta and a DT before the draft?The choices then become easier.Another thing-there will be a player that is projected as a first round choice(at this very time)that will slide to the later rounds.Remember Channing Crowder and Hawthorne last year?For now,I'll just enjoy the mock drafts.even better ernest shazor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sox Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 All this speculating is fun,but we don't really know what the Bengals needs will be come draft day.Free agency will determine the needs.If the Bengals sign no one,there will be the obvious holes,DE,DT,SS,TE,and even corner.But what if they sign Archuleta and a DT before the draft?The choices then become easier.Another thing-there will be a player that is projected as a first round choice(at this very time)that will slide to the later rounds.Remember Channing Crowder and Hawthorne last year?For now,I'll just enjoy the mock drafts.even better ernest shazor.Yep.There was a poster screaming when we passed him up in the second round...and then the third...and then the fourth... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 If Pope is there when we pick, he HAS TO BE CONSIDERED... I still think there are other needs and other people being targeted, but Pope would be huge to this offense.No, he really doesn't need to be considered. A tight end from the first round in our offense is a waste of a pick. Schobel was a "pass receiving" tight end. But he got so rusty because WE DO NOT USE OUR TIGHT END TO CATCH PASSES, that when he was called on, he had butterfingers. All players that may contribute to the overall success of this team HAVE TO BE CONSIDERED... I'll agree to disagree on that one, oh well. I don't think it's that we do not use our TE's to catch passes, I think it's more that we haven't used our TE's to catch passes and that can be attributed to a multitude of things and in my opinon that our TE's aren't worth a pot to piss in. Leonard Pope would change all of that !!! DON'T GET ME WRONG, I honestly believe our first pick will and SHOULD be a S or DT. I'm just saying that whole BPA thing has a funny way of popping up when least expected and all of this will be much clearer after FA gets going and we see what's out there.WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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