dchyde Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 NEW YORK (AP) -- The Oakland Raiders and San Francisco 49ers will flip a coin to determine who gets the sixth pick in the NFL draft and who gets the seventh. The complete order for the April 29-30 draft was announced Monday, with Houston at No. 1, presumably with the rights to Reggie Bush, the Southern California running back who is expected to declare his eligibility after Wednesday's Rose Bowl. The Texans (2-14) officially fired coach Dom Capers on Monday as New Orleans (3-13), which will have the second pick, did with Jim Haslett. After the Saints come a group of 4-12 teams: Tennessee, the New York Jets and Green Bay, followed by Oakland and San Francisco. The Packers also fired their coach, Mike Sherman The NFL originally announced that the coin flip had been held. However, a later announcement said it will not be held until after the Super Bowl. After the seventh spot, the rest of the order among non-playoff teams is Buffalo, Detroit, Arizona, St. Louis, Cleveland, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Miami, Minnesota, Dallas, San Diego, and Kansas City. The order among the playoff teams is subject to change, depending on how teams do in the postseason, although no team can fall below other teams with the same regular-season record unless it advances to the Super Bowl. The winner of that game would have the 32nd and last pick, the loser would pick 31st. Thus New England and Washington (both 10-6) are Nos. 21 and 22. If the Patriots advance and the Redskins don't, Washington would move up one spot, but New England could not fall below 22nd. The order among the 11-5 teams starts with Carolina at No. 23, followed by Tampa Bay, Chicago, Cincinnati, the New York Giants and Pittsburgh. Jacksonville, the only 12-4 team, is 29th, followed by Seattle and Denver (13-3) and Indianapolis (14-2). The draft order is determined by weakness of schedule in the case of ties in the standings, and head-to-head games have no bearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mule99 Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Unless we make the super bowl. Then we'll be #31 or #32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 Sounds like a perfect slot to be picking up a good safety. Get it done! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schroomytunes Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 I agree in that position we could stay and get a good solid player, either a Safety,TE,or DT. Those players are usually the ones that drop in the draft. IMO we should drop out of the 1st round and gain an extra pick, I truly believe we can find value in the 3rd-5th rounds. We should upgrade our DL through free agency, I think that we should look at guys like Kendrick Clancy(NYG) and Chris Hovan(TAM) as upgrades o the DL. They are both solid against the run, and should fit easily in our cap plans. As far as roster moves I would:1)Cut John Thornton-free up some cash, he's too small up front.2)Cut Kim Herring-injuries have limited his production3)Offer Kelly Washington a 1.3million salary as a RFA see if we can trade him for a 3rd rounder. Houston may offer a 3rd rounder for him.4)Dont overpay for Kitna as a backup,he simply showed he cannot lead this team w/o palmer.5)keep only Matt Schoebel as backup TE, let Kelly and Stewart go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Why do you want to pay K-dub and then cut Kitna? We are stacked at recievers and unless he is going to play TE why keep him?K Walter is a solid 4 reciever and our first 3 are set. Krenzel would be a backup without Kitna, and college success does not translate to the NFL (please do not talk about Chicago, we could never win with the way he played).In my opinion, Kelly is the TE to keep. He is a solid backer, plays some FB, a mediocre reciever.I do not want a TE in an offensive gameplan where he is never used, so Kelly works for me. I agree with our draft position though, although I think we should draft in the 1st round. This year looks like a pretty good draft and I'd rather see us take a 1st rounder than try and field a team with 3rd to 5th rounders who will take time to develop. We are a year, maybe 2 from the Super Bowl and if we can get an impact player through the draft this is the route I would take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 alll I want us to do is get adam arhuleta in FA, and cut Kim Herring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Why do you want to pay K-dub and then cut Kitna? We are stacked at recievers and unless he is going to play TE why keep him?K Walter is a solid 4 reciever and our first 3 are set. Krenzel would be a backup without Kitna, and college success does not translate to the NFL (please do not talk about Chicago, we could never win with the way he played).In my opinion, Kelly is the TE to keep. He is a solid backer, plays some FB, a mediocre reciever.I do not want a TE in an offensive gameplan where he is never used, so Kelly works for me. I agree with our draft position though, although I think we should draft in the 1st round. This year looks like a pretty good draft and I'd rather see us take a 1st rounder than try and field a team with 3rd to 5th rounders who will take time to develop. We are a year, maybe 2 from the Super Bowl and if we can get an impact player through the draft this is the route I would take.He probbley just ment that thing where if someone picks up K-dub you get a 3rd rnd pick if not you get solid back up / depth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Darnell Bing, Bobby Carpenter, Mercedes Lewis, this ND Zbikowski guy (stud), or Nate Salley. Them, or a Rod Wright or Ngata (if he drops).Oh yeah, O-H!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 There will be a very talented DT, DE, TE, or S (and I am not suggesting this as an order of preference) when our time comes to pick.It wouldn't be a bad thing if the talented player we pick is a OL or a CB, either. Getting some age at those positions.No worries about the 26th pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 With how ngata played in the bowl he could drop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 I need some college football watchers to tell me who the best DT's, DE's, Safeties, and TE's are. I think that is what needed in order of importance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Archuelta and Hovan, draft a DE and TE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 We don't have the cap space after the Carson Palmer signing to get Hovan OR Archuelta yet alone both AND pay our Olinemen. Lets face it, we saw what happens if our starters aren't in there, and it isn't pretty.Oh, and our pick isn't decided until the playoffs are over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 The key is, and Marvin has been great at this is cutting a guy while you already have groomed a replacement. I'll guarantee that Guicec or Wilkerson will be our starting center in the next 2 years. That's the key to being a dynasty. It's not keeping the guys together like the Bucs did. It's grooming guys and keeping your main guys, like Palmer. It's the Patriot model. This morning they were saying that the Colts are going to lose Reggie Wayne. They have not groomed anyone behind him, but they extended the deal for over 30 receiver Marvin Harrison. That was a mistake, that Marvin will not do. If Henry can sober up, I could see CJ being let go if he was going to be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob_justdmb Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 We can get a good ass Tight End at 26. I've always been a proponent of our Tight Ends, until Sunday. I like Schobel, but he's sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 We can get a good ass Tight End at 26. I've always been a proponent of our Tight Ends, until Sunday. I like Schobel, but he's sorry.Hello, welcome to the Bengals organization. Perhaps you haven't noticed, but WE ARE NOT EVER GOING TO DRAFT A TIGHT END IN THE FIRST FREAKING ROUND. WE ARE NEVER EVER EVER EVER GOING TO USE ONE LIKE A TONY GONZALEZ or even an Alge Crumpler. We just don't use them that way. Get used to it. Schobel is as good as it's going to get for us at tight end. We use them to lengthen our line, protect the QB, and block for the RB. We use TJ for the middle patterns. That's not going to change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 your right about that big Thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Watch the USC/Texas game on Wednesday... Darnell Bing is going to be the man who completes us to give us the be the best secondary in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 your right about that big Thing.Yet people keep expecting us to draft a Supastah Tight End. They just don't get it.Watch the USC/Texas game on Wednesday... Darnell Bing is going to be the man who completes us to give us the be the best secondary in the NFL.I refuse to even watch the combine this year, or to pay attention to any player at all. Every season, Tobin's scouting and Marvin and Mike's drafting leaves me going HUH?! I thought I knew something about projecting talent from college to the NFL. Ever season, Marvin, Mike, and the whole scouting department finds people I would never look at twice and says this guy, yeah, the guy with the funny name, uh huh him. He's gonna be good! I see their name and say who the hell is this guy? Never heard of him!In other words, while I like Bing, and even Blue out of Georgia, I fully expect to see some guy I've barely heard of or have never heard of get picked long before I would have thought his combine scores were worth taking him. Then I expect him to blow me away with his performance.The one exception to this has been Odell Thurman. I KNEW he was going to be dominant. I just thought he would have more problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 your right about that big Thing.Yet people keep expecting us to draft a Supastah Tight End. They just don't get it.I don't know if people really think they will, or just wish they would. The pass catching TE has become the new sexy offensive weapon, and for a team full of sexy offensive weapons, it gives the Bengal fan a wet dream to consider the potency if we added yet another...But we should all understand that the offense is working fine as it is... and even if Brat did like using pass-catching TE's (which it seems pretty obvious that he doesn't) we still have much greater needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 i think we need to pick quality dt some where depending on who we can get as f/A's will determine how we will draft . but man if we could get bobby carpenter that would be real nice . Marvin does a good job with the drafts so we will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 If he comes out....LARON.FREAKIN.LANDRY.He will eat Roethlisberger's head for breakfast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Watch the USC/Texas game on Wednesday... Darnell Bing is going to be the man who completes us to give us the be the best secondary in the NFL. Bing. Bang. Boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Guys on my list, whether they'll be there or notJimmy Williams Micheal HuffBobby CarpenterRod WrightNgataElvis Dumervile I'm sure there's more, that's just first rounder off the top of my head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 The more I see how much solid talent there is in this draft, but how little premier talent, the more I think perhaps we should trade to trade down a few slots to gain more picks. I think I might rather have a couple in the second and third than a first.Is there any dead weight on the roster that we could get any sort of high round (2-4) pick for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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