It's Marvin's Fault Thread

[Spain]

I knew we were game planned, It apears Marvin and the boys didnt count on seeing that 4 in cover. They obviously game planned to pass. Palmer is good but he is not that good yet. Did this give them the wake up call that they had better be drawing up some running plays. I hate to say but if you play cover with four Palmer is going to make mistakes still. If you run Rudi you hit their vulnerability. I as a fan can see that people were going to run the same game plan as cleveland did against us and the coaches were unprepared! Come on we got out coached.

[bengalindian]

Fire him.

[Spain]

No but he better know next time tams are going to make us beat them with the run!

[BengalBax]

I agree fire the loser. Go make the Cardinals a winner if you are a real coach you d@mn dime store hack!

[cincy9275]

spain you know nothing do you think that teams have not played cover four on us before? this team was caught napping players and coaches admit they took the bills for granted and thats why they lost . thats it nothing more that is like i said in other post on this game there youth showed up yesterday lesson learned move on.

[UK Bengal]

oh look another post by the moronic spain and the first appearance for a while of the non bengal fan pretending to be a bengal fan bax.

why dont you 2 boyfriends get a room and fookoff and join the colts bandwagon because you obviously dont have anything inteligent to post here

[NJ29]

It's a revelation! The Bills are geniuses! Who would ever think of running a cover 4 against a great passing offense? There is no way Marvin would gameplan for a cover 4!

Marvin did expect a cover 4, because we've been seeing one all year. That's the primary prevent coverage at the end of games. Nice try though spain.

[Whur CHad At?]

We should do this to Marivn....

[NJ29]

We should do this to Marivn....

We should do that to spain.

[turnip]

I blame it on McGee

[Stripes]

Well isn't this a humorous thread. Obviously, most of it is sarcasm. I'll join the fun.

Step down Marvin! Give control of this team back to Mike Brown where it belongs!

[AMC]

Well isn't this a humorous thread. Obviously, most of it is sarcasm. I'll join the fun.

Step down Marvin! Give control of this team back to Mike Brown where it belongs!

It's even more funny when you say it out loud!

[Spain]

Seriously when Deltha went down , we were in trouble. Are secondary is thin now. that aint good.

[Stripes]

Seriously when Deltha went down , we were in trouble. Are secondary is thin now. that aint good.

I agree, the defense did noticably struggle while Deltha was hurt, but he still went back into the game relatively soon after his injury. I would worry about the secondary right now, aside from the obvious (Olahete... He is damned lucky he won't have to see Antonio Gates in the playoffs).

As far as the Bengals being outcoached, I would agree with this statement. I wouldn't place the blame squarely on Marvin for that, but rather on the entire staff. It is Bratkowski's job to make sure Rudi gets an ample number of carries to be effective, and Palmer's to audible accordingly. They are at fault for Rudi only getting 18 carries when he'd averaged like 25 for the four previous games. Marvin should have stepped in when this became an issue, but I can't really fault him for having faith in his coordinator.

[NJ29]

Yeah, some blame has to fall on the coaching staff. Some on Marvin, for not having them ready and focused. Some on Brat for not getting Rudi the ball against a horrible run defense, and some on Chucky for having Ohalete in the game.

[HairOnFire]

As far as the Bengals being outcoached, I would agree with this statement. I wouldn't place the blame squarely on Marvin for that, but rather on the entire staff.

Agreed. Special teams were outplayed all game long and the offensive attack seemed to surrender balance without being forced to do so. And I doubt I have to repeat my feelings about recent changes in the defensive scheme.

As for Marvin, he seemed unusually unhappy after the blowout against Detroit and just from reading between the lines I think his displeasure goes well beyond the way his players are performing.

[jungleman]

listen marvin has yet to prove to me that he is the coach everyone thinks he is. this team has been playing down to the opponents all season. listen he was a defensive genious but what is killing this team the defense not stopping anyone on 3rd downs. This season we will be able to tell exactly how good of a coach we have. I expect to get to the afc title game this season. I fear though an overconfident team that will go out in the first round to pukeburgh and cowher and his chin smiling to the bank.

[HoosierCat]

I don't think the Bengals have been playing down (or up) to the level of their opponents all season. They have in a couple of games, but compared with years past that habit has been much, much rarer this season.

As for Marvin and the defense, coaching is only part of the equation. You also need playmakers, and we have a shortage of those on defense, esp. up front. Don't forget that when Marvin cemented his defensive credentials, he did so with guys like Ray Lewis, Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa.

Next season, I think, holds more promise. Get Madieu back. Odell has a year under his belt. Hopefully Pollack blossoms at OLB. Maybe we spend for a good safety in FA and grab a DT in the first round or two. At that point Marvin might have enough talent to make some noise on defense.

[BengalByTheBay]

I expect to get to the afc title game this season.

You have to ask yourself if that is a reasonable expectation. If you see anything short of that result as meaning that we have a bad HC, I disagree. I see the main reason that this team is so much better than last season is that we do not play down to the competition. Anybody who expected this defense to be a whole lot better than last season is ignoring the personnel weakness we have on the d line and the inexperience (still) at LB. It's too early to start writing the epitaph for this season, but after all is said and done, if you can't see the huge improvement in attitude and results this season ....

[jungleman]

i can see improvements thats why i expect to play for the conference title this season. listen how many years must we give to play for a title. this team needs to step up now. my expectation is very reasonable.

[BengalByTheBay]

That's circular reasoning -- you see improvement, which is why your expectations are so high (8-8 to AFC conference title = reasonable?), but they are not improving enough to meet the goal. I'm having trouble following you. I guess it comes down to what you think is achievable. Was your expectation at the beginning of the season that we would go to the title game? Mine wasn't -- I was hoping for 10-6. Or, has your expectation grown as the season went along? You gotta know there will be ups & downs over the course of a season. No doubt, you're disturbed to lose at home to a team that hasn't won on the road all year. Mark us all down for that one. However, there was plenty of failure to execute on every unit to look at in this game. Looks to be like a big letdown game after clinching a first division title since the earth cooled. Yeah that's easy to say and some blame can go to the coaches for that. But it's not an excuse to overlook where this team has gone and say the coach isn't getting it done.

[Humanzee 5000]

Happy Holidays everyone.

Haven't been on in a while but felt the need to come in on this one.

THIS IS ASSININE!!!!!!

A coach in his third season getting this team to where they are now. You should be happy that a defensive guru has done such incredible things with an offense. AND, whether it's enough for you or not, our defense is killing the league in takeaways. This has to be a bad joke.

Can you even begin to imagine what next year's draft under marvin will do to this team, cause I can't!

Tony Dungee has been building up the colts for years under peyton and they're FINALLY there. You think people are doubting in Tony we trust.

WOW!

[jungleman]

dungy walked into a stocked team with the colts manning and co were in place and successfull under mora had 1 bad season and mora didnt want to fire a coach. listen im happy with things but marvin needs to get us into the title game this season. look at the broncos last year we were a better team than them and look this year they overtook us and the second seed. we need to quit seeing excuses and win the games we should win. we showed no fire saturday and look unprepared out there.

[Kirkendall]

listen marvin has yet to prove to me that he is the coach everyone thinks he is. this team has been playing down to the opponents all season.

Bengals are 11-4.

listen he was a defensive genious but what is killing this team the defense not stopping anyone on 3rd downs.

Bengals are 11-4.

This season we will be able to tell exactly how good of a coach we have. I expect to get to the afc title game this season.

Bengals are 11-4.

The Bengals are 11-4, in a position to win it all. They won the AFC North, they earned a home playoff game.. what's not to trust? We're 7 games over .500 for the first time since '88. What's not to trust? The offense and defense are breaking records across the board. What's not to trust? The Bengals offense has scored 100 points more than the defense. What's not to trust? The Bengals lost four games this season, three to playoff teams. Only once did they lose to a "lesser" team. What's not to trust?

Hey, we all think this defense could end us in the playoffs this season, but hardly anyone predicted this much success this early into this era of Marvin Lewis' Bengals. Carson is having a pro-bowl year, because of Marvin's instance of sitting him a season with all the pressure in the world to play Palmer. Because of Marvin, Rudi is breaking records letting Dillon go and no one feels the after-affects of letting Spikes go. And let's be honest, this defense was falling apart well before Marvin got here. Now it's his time to reset the defense and he's done that with youth and drafts. Not splurging the money that's going to our offensive line.

If this is an over-reaction to a loss that should have never happened, then fine, I understand that and I too blast the defense. But if you're honest with everything you say, then go away. This team has earned every praise and every free pass including Marvin Lewis' historical turn-around to a team no one wanted to be apart of before his arrival. But if we see no improvements (further than the AFC North crown) by the end of Lewis' tenure then you may have merit. But damn, we just went to the playoffs for the first time in how many seasons? We haven't even played the game yet and you're whinning. Yes, whinning. I'm still fired up and trusting Marvin because we're not talking about draft picks yet which we usually do by week 10.

[AMC]

listen marvin has yet to prove to me that he is the coach everyone thinks he is. this team has been playing down to the opponents all season.

Bengals are 11-4.

listen he was a defensive genious but what is killing this team the defense not stopping anyone on 3rd downs.

Bengals are 11-4.

This season we will be able to tell exactly how good of a coach we have. I expect to get to the afc title game this season.

Bengals are 11-4.

The Bengals are 11-4, in a position to win it all. They won the AFC North, they earned a home playoff game.. what's not to trust? We're 7 games over .500 for the first time since '88. What's not to trust? The offense and defense are breaking records across the board. What's not to trust? The Bengals offense has scored 100 points more than the defense. What's not to trust? The Bengals lost four games this season, three to playoff teams. Only once did they lose to a "lesser" team. What's not to trust?

Hey, we all think this defense could end us in the playoffs this season, but hardly anyone predicted this much success this early into this era of Marvin Lewis' Bengals. Carson is having a pro-bowl year, because of Marvin's instance of sitting him a season with all the pressure in the world to play Palmer. Because of Marvin, Rudi is breaking records letting Dillon go and no one feels the after-affects of letting Spikes go. And let's be honest, this defense was falling apart well before Marvin got here. Now it's his time to reset the defense and he's done that with youth and drafts. Not splurging the money that's going to our offensive line.

If this is an over-reaction to a loss that should have never happened, then fine, I understand that and I too blast the defense. But if you're honest with everything you say, then go away. This team has earned every praise and every free pass including Marvin Lewis' historical turn-around to a team no one wanted to be apart of before his arrival. But if we see no improvements (further than the AFC North crown) by the end of Lewis' tenure then you may have merit. But damn, we just went to the playoffs for the first time in how many seasons? We haven't even played the game yet and you're whinning. Yes, whinning. I'm still fired up and trusting Marvin because we're not talking about draft picks yet which we usually do by week 10.

Its like you're reading my mind kirkendall....

To say Marvin and this team hasn't proven anything is short-sighted and, honestly a ridiculous idea....