Bengals Pro-Bowl players

[Indycat]

It's possible that Rudi could lead the AFC in rushing and miss the Pro Bowl.

The Colts will probably rest Edgerrin and Larry Johnson is facing the Chargers who only allowed 24 yards rushing against the Colts.

Meanwhile, Rudi faces the Bills (32nd against the run) and the Chiefs who allowed Barber to run for 220 yards.

[Stripes]

It's possible that Rudi could lead the AFC in rushing and miss the Pro Bowl.

It is also very possible that he finishes 2nd or 3rd in rushing touchdowns (it is doubtful he can catch up with Tomlinson). He certainly has Pro Bowl caliber numbers, but it is hard to argue against the guys that made it in ahead of him. If he does this again next year and consistently after that, then he'll certainly get picked to his fair share of Pro Bowls.

[DontPushMe]

3rd leading rusher in the AFC, 5th over-all, and tied for fifth over-all in TD's (any position). This despite numerous games this year with under 20 carries. He doesn't fumble, and he never gets seriously hurt. (knock on wood)

I said this last year - Rudi IS a top 5 running back in the NFL and he proved it once again.

The talk of Perry replacing him or Rudi only being average-to-good are nonsensical at this point.

Like his style or not - he is what he is - an underrated RB.

Of course TJ is the other guy who got dissed. Levi, not so much.

What a joke. Top 5 my ass. Hes played better this year then he did last year, but if you think hes better than LT, LJ, Alexander, Edge, or Barber you are a fool. There are others that are better than him, but Ive just listed 5 obvious ones.

Hes not underrated at all, hes undermentioned by media because he does nothing to stand out, and overrated by bengal fans because they want so bad for him to be better than dillon. In reality, hes a solid player who usually wont have a really bad game or a crutial fumble to blow a game, but he also wont win one for you either. Hes kinda like one of those qb's that are just there to not screw up and let the D win games. With Rudi hes just there to keep the defense honest to keep them from selling out to our passing game, which is what our offense is designed for. Hes not going to carry a team, and hes not going to take a game over, like a RB like LT can. Rudi is also useless on 3rd downs; when a 250 pound FB gets the nod as a 3rd down back ahead of you, you know you are one dimensional. He also got run down from behind by a 345 pound DT against the lions.

Hes had a good season, from what ive observed, he runs hard, and seems to give 100% on almost every play, in my opinion hes better than he was last season, ive attempted to lighten up on being so critical of him considering our teams success this year, but when i see a post like this i have to say something. As a pure straight ahead 3 yards and a cloud of dust runner, hes great, maybe even top 5, but as an overall back, hes just average or above average. Because he brings nothing else to the table.

Oh, and TJ wasnt dissed at all, hes a #2 WR who has 850 yards receiving, please stop being such a homer. I love the guy and hes a great fit for our team as a compliment to chad, but there are a handful of WRs who are ahead of him.

[Stripes]

I have always pimped Rudi, and this season has given me even more reason to do so. Still, I'd agree that he isn't a top five running back in this league, there are just too many great players. I would say that he has solidified himself as a top ten back, however.

He is one dimensional, there is no doubt about that, but that is all he has to be. He is among the best in the league at what he does, and what he does is what we need in this division. I think that comparing him to a Kyle Orton type quarterback is unfair. He has carried his team on his back on many occassions. Most recently during the Browns game a couple of weeks ago. Sure, he was facing a defense keyed on stopping Palmer, but 169 yards is 169 yards.

[jjakq27]

3rd leading rusher in the AFC, 5th over-all, and tied for fifth over-all in TD's (any position). This despite numerous games this year with under 20 carries. He doesn't fumble, and he never gets seriously hurt. (knock on wood)

I said this last year - Rudi IS a top 5 running back in the NFL and he proved it once again.

The talk of Perry replacing him or Rudi only being average-to-good are nonsensical at this point.

Like his style or not - he is what he is - an underrated RB.

Of course TJ is the other guy who got dissed. Levi, not so much.

What a joke. Top 5 my ass. Hes played better this year then he did last year, but if you think hes better than LT, LJ, Alexander, Edge, or Barber you are a fool. There are others that are better than him, but Ive just listed 5 obvious ones.

Hes not underrated at all, hes undermentioned by media because he does nothing to stand out, and overrated by bengal fans because they want so bad for him to be better than dillon. In reality, hes a solid player who usually wont have a really bad game or a crutial fumble to blow a game, but he also wont win one for you either. Hes kinda like one of those qb's that are just there to not screw up and let the D win games. With Rudi hes just there to keep the defense honest to keep them from selling out to our passing game, which is what our offense is designed for. Hes not going to carry a team, and hes not going to take a game over, like a RB like LT can. Rudi is also useless on 3rd downs; when a 250 pound FB gets the nod as a 3rd down back ahead of you, you know you are one dimensional. He also got run down from behind by a 345 pound DT against the lions.

Hes had a good season, from what ive observed, he runs hard, and seems to give 100% on almost every play, in my opinion hes better than he was last season, ive attempted to lighten up on being so critical of him considering our teams success this year, but when i see a post like this i have to say something. As a pure straight ahead 3 yards and a cloud of dust runner, hes great, maybe even top 5, but as an overall back, hes just average or above average. Because he brings nothing else to the table.

Oh, and TJ wasnt dissed at all, hes a #2 WR who has 850 yards receiving, please stop being such a homer. I love the guy and hes a great fit for our team as a compliment to chad, but there are a handful of WRs who are ahead of him.

Please stop. We are tired of your BS.

[membengal]

3rd leading rusher in the AFC, 5th over-all, and tied for fifth over-all in TD's (any position). This despite numerous games this year with under 20 carries. He doesn't fumble, and he never gets seriously hurt. (knock on wood)

I said this last year - Rudi IS a top 5 running back in the NFL and he proved it once again.

The talk of Perry replacing him or Rudi only being average-to-good are nonsensical at this point.

Like his style or not - he is what he is - an underrated RB.

Of course TJ is the other guy who got dissed. Levi, not so much.

What a joke. Top 5 my ass. Hes played better this year then he did last year, but if you think hes better than LT, LJ, Alexander, Edge, or Barber you are a fool. There are others that are better than him, but Ive just listed 5 obvious ones.

Hes not underrated at all, hes undermentioned by media because he does nothing to stand out, and overrated by bengal fans because they want so bad for him to be better than dillon. In reality, hes a solid player who usually wont have a really bad game or a crutial fumble to blow a game, but he also wont win one for you either. Hes kinda like one of those qb's that are just there to not screw up and let the D win games. With Rudi hes just there to keep the defense honest to keep them from selling out to our passing game, which is what our offense is designed for. Hes not going to carry a team, and hes not going to take a game over, like a RB like LT can. Rudi is also useless on 3rd downs; when a 250 pound FB gets the nod as a 3rd down back ahead of you, you know you are one dimensional. He also got run down from behind by a 345 pound DT against the lions.

Hes had a good season, from what ive observed, he runs hard, and seems to give 100% on almost every play, in my opinion hes better than he was last season, ive attempted to lighten up on being so critical of him considering our teams success this year, but when i see a post like this i have to say something. As a pure straight ahead 3 yards and a cloud of dust runner, hes great, maybe even top 5, but as an overall back, hes just average or above average. Because he brings nothing else to the table.

Oh, and TJ wasnt dissed at all, hes a #2 WR who has 850 yards receiving, please stop being such a homer. I love the guy and hes a great fit for our team as a compliment to chad, but there are a handful of WRs who are ahead of him.

I will accept this for what it is:

DPM's retarded attempt at an apology for being so wrong that he cannot begin to see right from where he is.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

DPM - his stats don't lie, your opinion is just that - with nothing to back it up.

I never said he was better than Alexander, James, LT or Barber - don't put words in my mouth to try and make your point - technically by the #'s Rudi is once again the 6th best RB in the NFL in a pass happy offense.

That's two years in a row. When Larry Johnson does that over 2-3 years time then I will praise him - the guy had a great year behind possibly the best 0-line in football.

I don't know what your problem is with this issue, but I a simply pointing out facts and #'s that lead to my opinion.

If you can come up with something solid that tells us Rudi is not a top 5 RB (or top 6 if you want to be technical about it) then please let us know.

I would like to take your word for it, but, opinions are just that.

Top 5-6 RB's don't grow on trees, I am happy to have Rudi here and appreciate what he has done and how hard he works.

Every year he puts up great #'s and every year you diss him for no apparent reason other than your dislike for him replacing Leon.

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On a side note I find it curious that Al wilson and his 67 tackles and 3 sacks made the pro bowl this year as a MLB.

Other guys were more deserving - including Odell in this case IMO.

[CantStop85]

What's the use of being a "top 3" or "top 5" runningback if you don't put up "top 3" or "top 5" numbers? You may not consider Rudi Johnson to be an elite back, but he's putting up elite numbers. You can't say another back is better than him strictly because of reputation. If you can't accept Rudi as one of the best backs in the league, then you obviously have your head too far up corey dillon's ass to watch any football.

[DontPushMe]

DPM - his stats don't lie, your opinion is just that - with nothing to back it up.

I never said he was better than Alexander, James, LT or Barber - don't put words in my mouth to try and make your point - technically by the #'s Rudi is once again the 6th best RB in the NFL in a pass happy offense.

That's two years in a row. When Larry Johnson does that over 2-3 years time then I will praise him - the guy had a great year behind possibly the best 0-line in football.

I don't know what your problem is with this issue, but I a simply pointing out facts and #'s that lead to my opinion.

If you can come up with something solid that tells us Rudi is not a top 5 RB (or top 6 if you want to be technical about it) then please let us know.

I would like to take your word for it, but, opinions are just that.

Top 5-6 RB's don't grow on trees, I am happy to have Rudi here and appreciate what he has done and how hard he works.

Every year he puts up great #'s and every year you diss him for no apparent reason other than your dislike for him replacing Leon.

What's the use of being a "top 3" or "top 5" runningback if you don't put up "top 3" or "top 5" numbers? You may not consider Rudi Johnson to be an elite back, but he's putting up elite numbers. You can't say another back is better than him strictly because of reputation. If you can't accept Rudi as one of the best backs in the league, then you obviously have your head too far up corey dillon's ass to watch any football.

The problem with you guys is you take stats as the end all of everything. Reuben Droughns is currently 10th in the nfl in rushing, does that make him a top 10 RB? Laughable. Yet this is the same logic you are implying with rudi. A LOT goes into getting rushing yards, much more than just hte RB. To use your reason for saying Larry Johnson isnt as good as rudi ( ), WE also have one of the best o-lines in football. For example in that browns game, they were opening up gigantic holes. Rudi was going untouched into the secondary, any RB on an NFL roster can put up numbers with openings like that. Add to that that our offense's main focus is the passing game, which does help open things up for him.

Sometimes you guys take what I say too far. I said hes not talked about much by the media because he does nothing spectacular and flashy, and overrated by bengal fans. Im sorry but if you think hes underrated by anyone other then me you are out of your mind.

Oh, and I never compared him to Kyle Orton, Orton failed at his role, he threw picks and failed to accomplish anything. Im more talking about a guy like Trent Dilfer for example.

[HairOnFire]

Sometimes you guys take what I say too far.

And some of us give your opinions no credibility whatsoever. And that's true largely because you've argued for over a year that Chris Perry should be given the Bengals starting RB job despite the fact that Rudi repeatedly breaks franchise rushing records while Perry demonstrates that he still has durability issues.

How long did your boy manage to last THIS season? A little more than 50 carries, right?

Frankly, I think a guy with your history would be well served to ignore threads like these. You know, show a little restraint when somebody points out that for the 3rd season in a row Rudi is putting up numbers that rank him amongst the NFL elite.

[BengalByTheBay]

Sis isn't going to Hawaii. But she hopes Shayne has a great time and brings me a shirt

And on another note......mad props sis!!

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Sis isn't going to Hawaii. But she hopes Shayne has a great time and brings me a shirt

Hey sis, tell Opie we are really really proud of him!

By the way, Ladanian is a bit banged up, and so is Ty Law, so 2 of our alternates might be called to duty.

[Spain]

Cute kid.

[jditty47]

i agree with everything DPM said. which most of the time i do...

rudi is having a better year this year than last but he still isnt a guy that can win a game for u. hes not getting hit in the backfield as much which is the best improvement that i can see. hes a top 10 or 15 back. not top 5. hes one dimentional but yes he is good at doing it. and he stays healthy and doesnt fumble, those are his other 2 strengths. his strengths are strengths that dont warrant top back status.

and as for tj, absolutely love the guy this year...but probowl status, nah.

levi should go, but he prolly wont as a 2nd alternate.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

i agree with everything DPM said. which most of the time i do...

rudi is having a better year this year than last but he still isnt a guy that can win a game for u. hes not getting hit in the backfield as much which is the best improvement that i can see. hes a top 10 or 15 back. not top 5. hes one dimentional but yes he is good at doing it. and he stays healthy and doesnt fumble, those are his other 2 strengths. his strengths are strengths that dont warrant top back status.

So, let me get this straight, you don't value a guy who doesn't fumble, who almost never gets stopped by the first guy to hit him, and who can keep his legs moving no matter who's trying to pull him down?

Rudi runs like Walter Payton ran, straight ahead and hard. Walter was never flashy either, but he was one of the best ever.

Rudi catches the ball out of the backfield too just like your other top backs. He's not one dimensional at all. He's just not flashy. (Unless he's knocking 3 or 4 guys over for extra yards)

[Stripes]

It was only a matter of time until another Rudi versus DPM thread exploded. Not to be hippocritical, I participated!

[jditty47]

hes more like natrone means or something...dont compare him to peyton. he doesnt have the elusiveness like him at all.

[Stripes]

I would agree that Rudi doesn't have the phsyical talent that Walter Payton had, not even close, but the point being made is that he is consistently putting up big nubmers with the best backs in this league, and that is all that matters.

[jjakq27]

I would agree that Rudi doesn't have the phsyical talent that Walter Payton had, not even close, but the point being made is that he is consistently putting up big nubmers with the best backs in this league, and that is all that matters.

He is a carbon copy of Emmitt Smith. He's not real fast and he's not real big among other things. BUt twhen the game is over he's got some good numbers.

He had nearly 1000 yards as a part time player in 2003. He set the team record in 2004 and he is about the break it this year. But other than that he's not that good.

[bengalindian]

Cute kid.

Could this be Spain's first post without spelling and/or grammatical errors???

[CantStop85]

Just one question:

Would you rather have a "top 5 back" who rushes for 1200 yards or a "top 20 back" who rushes for 1500?

As of this moment, Rudi is one of the top 5 backs in the league. Forgive me, but I actually rate runningbacks on performance, not hype.

[DontPushMe]

^^ So Rudi > LT? Must be, he has more rushing yards!

And some of us give your opinions no credibility whatsoever.

That explains why anything I post has at least 10 replies to it within a day. Jeez with the way you go on and on about credibility I'd think im writing for ESPN or something.

It was only a matter of time until another Rudi versus DPM thread exploded. Not to be hippocritical, I participated!

Dont lie, you missed them.

Oh, and will everyone please stop comparing Rudi Johnson to first ballot hall of famers. In one thread we now have Rudi Johnson being a mix of Walter Peyton and Emmit Smith.. Just wait untill he makes a guy miss in the open field, then we can throw barry sanders into the mix. HoF, you should bring your credibility ratings to these guys. Eh, probably not, your too busy wishing you were the seat of the bike Rudi rides during the games. You probly agree with them.

[Stripes]

Cute kid.

Could this be Spain's first post without spelling and/or grammatical errors???

Sorry, but Spain's statement contains no predicate.

[HairOnFire]

And some of us give your opinions no credibility whatsoever.

That explains why anything I post has at least 10 replies to it within a day.

Replies aren't proof of agreement or credibility. They're just a measure of activity. Any troll could tell you this.

Credibility? Nine out of ten people made statements about how stupid your rant is....while one guy agreed with you. Most importantly, he probably agreed with you because your latest Rudi rant left out the part about how Rudi should lose the starting RB job to Chris Perry. And you left that part out because Chris Perry is injured again...after getting only 53 carries. (Paper Tiger?)

[jjakq27]

^^ So Rudi > LT? Must be, he has more rushing yards!

And some of us give your opinions no credibility whatsoever.

That explains why anything I post has at least 10 replies to it within a day. Jeez with the way you go on and on about credibility I'd think im writing for ESPN or something.

It was only a matter of time until another Rudi versus DPM thread exploded. Not to be hippocritical, I participated!

Dont lie, you missed them.

Oh, and will everyone please stop comparing Rudi Johnson to first ballot hall of famers. In one thread we now have Rudi Johnson being a mix of Walter Peyton and Emmit Smith.. Just wait untill he makes a guy miss in the open field, then we can throw barry sanders into the mix. HoF, you should bring your credibility ratings to these guys. Eh, probably not, your too busy wishing you were the seat of the bike Rudi rides during the games. You probly agree with them.

So what is your solution to our current problems at running back since we (as a collective group) have no clue? I guess the people that pick the three RBs for FedEx's weekly award don't know much either.

Also I hope your New Years resolution is to quit busting on Rudi for next season.