Vernon Davis

[Kazkal]

What are your thoughts on bengals taking him

read some intresting veiws about bengals taking him on browns forum lol.

[BlainThePain]

He's my favorite Tight End prospect. He's and athletic freak and he is actually a decent blocker that I could see improving in the pros. He is supposedly a workout warrior with 3% body fat and runs a 4.4. He has great natural football skills and only lacks in proper technique and I think we could teach him that. I think the guy would be a beast for us.

[Kazkal]

think he'd fall to 26-28 ? don't get me wrong I'm all about defense in 1st round spec DT's but if there is no one worth 1st rnd pick same with SS might as well get TE who would make our defense that much more deadly

(if we can have our TE coach teach them more then blocking

[alleycat]

I'd love Davis or any of the other 3-4 premier TE's. Of course, I think we also need a S, a DT, a DE and a CB. I think we can get 2-3 of these through FA (we will finally be an attractive team for these players). Given that DE and DT project the worst from the draft to the NFL, I'd say go with that in FA an pursue an unbelieveable S and TE in the draft (and beef up the O line). Oops, forgot I wanted a WSLB too (although I think LJ might be a monster once he plays his natural postition.

[schweinhart]

Vernon Davis was highly p#ssed and yelling at teammates on the sideline in Maryland's last game because of how bad their offense was. It would be no surprise if he enters early if for no other reason than he doesn't want to play on a team another year with a crappy offense.

Davis would give Marcedes Lewis a definite run for the money of who would get drafted first. My guess would be that Davis would go first between 10 and 15. He's an amazing receiver with great speed for a TE and has tremendous upper body strength for his lean build.

But I'd be real surprised if either Davis or Lewis or still around when the Bengals pick in the 1st.

[HairOnFire]

Vernon Davis was highly p#ssed and yelling at teammates on the sideline in Maryland's last game because of how bad their offense was. It would be no surprise if he enters early if for no other reason than he doesn't want to play on a team another year with a crappy offense.

Davis would give Marcedes Lewis a definite run for the money of who would get drafted first. My guess would be that Davis would go first between 10 and 15. He's an amazing receiver with great speed for a TE and has tremendous upper body strength for his lean build.

But I'd be real surprised if either Davis or Lewis or still around when the Bengals pick in the 1st.

I think Lewis is the more complete player right now, but it's obvious that Davis has far more upside. Hard to say which type of TE the Bengals would prefer if given the choice. That said, regardless of which player is drafted first I'd be surprised if both were off the board when the Bengals draft. In fact, if that scouts breakdown that I mentioned prior to the UCLA/USC game was accurate Lewis could fall into the top of the 2nd round if he runs as poorly as expected during the combines.

[Stripes]

If the prospects at safety, defensive tackle, or defensive end are so poor when the Bengals are picking in the first or second round, then I hope they just trade away the pick. I really don't think a better tight end would make a big impact on an offense that already chews up yardage like no other. When it comes to blocking, I think Reggie Kelly already does an excellent job of that, and has even looked alright as an H-back when Bratkowski has stuck him there.

[Whur CHad At?]

I agree w/ TBD...I mean we are going to pick 32nd, so really nothing will be there.

[schweinhart]

Vernon Davis was highly p#ssed and yelling at teammates on the sideline in Maryland's last game because of how bad their offense was. It would be no surprise if he enters early if for no other reason than he doesn't want to play on a team another year with a crappy offense.

Davis would give Marcedes Lewis a definite run for the money of who would get drafted first. My guess would be that Davis would go first between 10 and 15. He's an amazing receiver with great speed for a TE and has tremendous upper body strength for his lean build.

But I'd be real surprised if either Davis or Lewis or still around when the Bengals pick in the 1st.

I think Lewis is the more complete player right now, but it's obvious that Davis has far more upside. Hard to say which type of TE the Bengals would prefer if given the choice. That said, regardless of which player is drafted first I'd be surprised if both were off the board when the Bengals draft. In fact, if that scouts breakdown that I mentioned prior to the UCLA/USC game was accurate Lewis could fall into the top of the 2nd round if he runs as poorly as expected during the combines.

I'd still be surprised if scouts flag his 40 over the miles of tape he's got. Marcedes catches like a WR and at TE, the 40 should be looked less at than separation vs. LBs. That plus his height whenever he's matched up against a faster safety or a MLB down the seam really makes me still think that scouts will view blocking as his biggest potential deficit at the next level because of his build.

Vernon Davis will blow minds at the combine with his lifting. Plus, he's every bit of the receiver that Lewis is and looks faster.

I'd like to see the Bengals draft 2 TEs to take the places of Stewart and Schobel if they don't intend to sign either. The way Reggie Kelly has expanded his role this year, he won't be cut next year.

[Kazkal]

Vernon Davis was highly p#ssed and yelling at teammates on the sideline in Maryland's last game because of how bad their offense was. It would be no surprise if he enters early if for no other reason than he doesn't want to play on a team another year with a crappy offense.

Davis would give Marcedes Lewis a definite run for the money of who would get drafted first. My guess would be that Davis would go first between 10 and 15. He's an amazing receiver with great speed for a TE and has tremendous upper body strength for his lean build.

But I'd be real surprised if either Davis or Lewis or still around when the Bengals pick in the 1st.

I think Lewis is the more complete player right now, but it's obvious that Davis has far more upside. Hard to say which type of TE the Bengals would prefer if given the choice. That said, regardless of which player is drafted first I'd be surprised if both were off the board when the Bengals draft. In fact, if that scouts breakdown that I mentioned prior to the UCLA/USC game was accurate Lewis could fall into the top of the 2nd round if he runs as poorly as expected during the combines.

Colts seem to get alot of use out of clark and he was the bane of the bengals that game because we had no answer for him...as for kelly you might as well put stacey andrews in there because he has asmuch chance as being thrown too as reggie does....

if no DT or SS worth our spot worth the pick I woulden't mind us getting a top tier TE that would make our offense that more deadly...yes a catching TE isen't really needed but any team with a top tier TE will show it sure does help.

[Kazkal]

ok if he falls but DT or SS worth 28-32 still on board take them but if no one worth our spot I'd say take VD and try get em in rnds 2-4 / free agentacy

[NJ29]

I'd rather use a late round pick on a guy like Tim Day of Oregon than use a first round pick on Davis.

[schweinhart]

Tim Day looks like an excellent receiving TE and extremely agile for one his size. Apparently the TD pass in bowl game vs. Michigan he caught on a great overhead catch between 2 defenders was his 1st of the season, which no doubt has more to do with the Ducks QBs. His route running looks great and the size is there to scrum at the line when needs be.

[Kazkal]

Tim Day looks like an excellent receiving TE and extremely agile for one his size. Apparently the TD pass in bowl game vs. Michigan he caught on a great overhead catch between 2 defenders was his 1st of the season, which no doubt has more to do with the Ducks QBs. His route running looks great and the size is there to scrum at the line when needs be.

and a good chance he'd fall to the 3rd rnd....but problem is not him but our TE coach I think Matt schobel is still quite serviceable TE (Not all star but i'd say if he was starter he'd be good for 400-500 yards and 5 TDs... I think problem is how we use our TE's and our TE coach who is all about having a extra linemen rather then actually be a TE

[HoosierCat]

TE Leonard Pope (Georgia) declared; he's going pro. Looks like a phat TE class this year, there will definitely be talent there come pick 24 (our current spot, per gbn). If Kitna has to spend any time starting it would no doubt help a boatload to have a solid TE as a safety valve and short yardage target.

[AMC]

TE Leonard Pope (Georgia) declared; he's going pro. Looks like a phat TE class this year, there will definitely be talent there come pick 24 (our current spot, per gbn). If Kitna has to spend any time starting it would no doubt help a boatload to have a solid TE as a safety valve and short yardage target.

Doubt Pope falls into the late 2nd round, but I see the Bengals taking a TE in the 2-3 rounds...As Joisey states a good TE may be had in later rounds.

[HoosierCat]

TE Leonard Pope (Georgia) declared; he's going pro. Looks like a phat TE class this year, there will definitely be talent there come pick 24 (our current spot, per gbn). If Kitna has to spend any time starting it would no doubt help a boatload to have a solid TE as a safety valve and short yardage target.

Doubt Pope falls into the late 2nd round, but I see the Bengals taking a TE in the 2-3 rounds...As Joisey states a good TE may be had in later rounds.

Yeah, I think Pope will be gone by mid-second unless he does something seriously wrong to eff up his stock. The thing I run up against, and HairOnFire mentioned the issue in a draft thread a while back, and I agree with him, is that TE may give us the most bang for our buck in the 1st round. Except for exceptional prospects, like The F**king Soldier, TEs tend to start coming off the board mid-round at the highest. Very often the top TE is still there in the mid-20s, where we'll pick. Almost always the No. 2 prospect is. See:

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/te.html

On the other hand, in a year with any quality at DT you are going to be looking at the 5th or 6th best DT by the time you get to 24. See:

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/dt.html

Defensive end is similar:

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/de.html

Really, I think it comes down to TE vs. S. Traditionally safeties weren't drafted in the first round but that has changed in the last five or so years. The top prospect will almost certainly be gone but it's a fair bet that the No. 2 safety will slip. Heck, the Ravens got Ed Reed at 24 a few years ago, we might get lucky too.

http://www.drafthistory.com/positions/db.html

Huff should go first, way before we pick. If Bing declares, I think we have a shot at him. Right now that seems likely to me, but it is of course a ways to April. If they are both gone, and Pope or Davis are still there (Pope certainly will be, I think, and Davis almost certainly; Mercedes Lewis should go mid-teens latest) they likely represent the best choice.

[Kazkal]

We got madieua in rnd 2 so I have faith marvin can find a pimp SS in the 2nd if bing or huff don't fall...

As for kitna he could use all extra help he could get so a huge TE target with good hands would be good with chris henry + TJ houch & chad that'd be scary redzone