Would everyone please stop the someone needs to be cut threads.

[turningpoint]

seriously everytime someone has a bad game everyone thinks they ned to be cut.

well 1st of all I'm going to educate the uneducated.

1st all what we hav is the best we can get right now or they wouldn't be here. we aint magically going to find a guy on the street that knows the defensive scheme and can play great.

2nd of all don't worry they'll be gone by febuary 7th.

3rd. were about to make a playoff run, so this s**t is pointless this late in the season.

marvin only has so many draft picks, and he aint overpaying for a FA.

We'll get maybe 2-3 more great players in the draft this april, that can make an impact their 1st season here.

No 1st round pick of marvins has done s**t their 1st season, except pollacks 1 sack. bring out the band!!!!!!!

So we'll probalby get 1 true impact player on our team this offseason through the draft, hopefully a DT or safety. so let's worry about who needs to go and who we can get in 2 months.

Until then enjoy the season and what we have for now, and laugh at the crap that willl be replaced in the near future.

companing about it will get you no where.

[Columbusbengal]

seriously everytime someone has a bad game everyone thinks they ned to be cut.

well 1st of all I'm going to educate the uneducated.

1st all what we hav is the best we can get right now or they wouldn't be here. we aint magically going to find a guy on the street that knows the defensive scheme and can play great.

2nd of all don't worry they'll be gone by febuary 7th.

3rd. were about to make a playoff run, so this s**t is pointless this late in the season.

marvin only has so many draft picks, and he aint overpaying for a FA.

We'll get maybe 2-3 more great players in the draft this april, that can make an impact their 1st season here.

No 1st round pick of marvins has done s**t their 1st season, except pollacks 1 sack. bring out the band!!!!!!!

So we'll probalby get 1 true impact player on our team this offseason through the draft, hopefully a DT or safety. so let's worry about who needs to go and who we can get in 2 months.

Until then enjoy the season and what we have for now, and laugh at the crap that willl be replaced in the near future.

companing about it will get you no where.

AMEN

[walshfan]

Larson and Ohalete need to be cut.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Last year you begged for KK to be cut, this year, he's saving our butts with Madieu out. This year, it's Ohalete being called for being cut. Guess what, you can keep expecting 4th on the depth chart guys to be saviors or you can get a real perspective!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Larson and Ohalete need to be cut.

I agree.

Breshnahan needs to go too. He's no better than Frazier. Manning and the Colts schooled his a$$ Sunday in the 1st half. Does this guy not watch film?

Cut them all!

[Ox]

You know what, let's cut Palmer. If it weren't for his interception we would have won that game.

[walshfan]

He had two penalties...He tripped up Ratlif on the Int return...he miss tackles and was horrible in coverage...

Yeah lets start him next week....

[Columbusbengal]

Breshnahan needs to go too. He's no better than Frazier. Manning and the Colts schooled his a$$ Sunday in the 1st half. Does this guy not watch film?

Well, when Frazier was in charge, the Bengals gave up 45 points to Holcomb and the Browns. Now, it takes Peyton and the Colts to score that many

[turningpoint]

In recent note the bengals have cut ofayhene ohelete, and signed

Peter Craft

a 6'1'' safety with a 5.0 40, weighs 190lbs.

Marvin Lewis, " he's a huge fan of the team, hell he's never played football before,but we decided he's a season ticket holder, and is a huge fan. He in fact posts under the handle turningpoint over at bengalszone.com. This is the best we could find 12 weeks into the season, all of bengaldome called for Ohelete to be cut so we did!"

[bengalindian]

Dude! Marvin called me too! I'll see ya in practice tomorrow!

[12th Man]

Hey check this out, found it on ebay!

When does that guy go to court anyhow????

http://cgi.ebay.com/Cincinnati-Who-Dey-Ben...1QQcmdZViewItem

[AMC]

You know what, let's cut Palmer. If it weren't for his interception we would have won that game.

I agree, Carson had one game with a QB rating under 100...what a bum....sacrifice all cap considerations and cut the deadbeat....

and let's get rid of Marvin and the whole coaching staff...we can get the coaching staff of St. X or Colerain to fill in...

it's time for action Bengal fans!!!!!!!!!!! Follow the Ratbirds' fans lead and sell all your tix to the opposing teams fans until the front office makes some positive moves for the organization!

Man, I'm in a sarcastic mood!!! I just hope I don't get smitten with lightning for what I just said!

Keep up the sarcasm OX, this thread needs all it can get! HA!

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Breshnahan needs to go too. He's no better than Frazier. Manning and the Colts schooled his a$$ Sunday in the 1st half. Does this guy not watch film?

Well, when Frazier was in charge, the Bengals gave up 45 points to Holcomb and the Browns. Now, it takes Peyton and the Colts to score that many

Yeah not much has changed ultimately, the defense still sucks regardless of their misleading points-given-up statistic which is now noticeably higher.

It's like Jim Rome said today - what sort of moron game plans to stop the Edge and make Manning beat you???? What the hell kind of game plan is that??? As he said, it's like pitching around Alou to get to Barry Bonds in baseball!!

It was obvious they were doing this after Manning just scorched them silly in the 1st half, ecspecially the 2nd quarter. If I'm not mistaken the Colts only scored 10 points in the 2nd half and the Bengals' still couldn't win despite scoring 35 themselves, after whatever that HORRIBLE game plan was the Bengals' threw out there at these guys.

That's a defensive coaching problem if you ask me - without mentioning the obvious talent problems and most notably the fact they're missing their best over-all defensive player in Madeiu.

Color me and a lot of people I know unimpressed with Breshnahan.

Outside of Coyle I wonder if that whole defensive staff needs to be scratched - I know you need some consistency, but my God the LB's are terrible and never get better, they switch around players upfront all the time to no avail - something is wrong with the way they are being coached and the scheme - forget what Marvin says he's never been a HC before and can't coach the defensive exclusively.

This has been a major issue for 3 years running now since Marvin's been here and the Bengals' are wasting one of the NFL's best offenses in years next to the Chiefs, Colts, Pats and Rams on a crappy defense they don't seem to want to seriously address in the off-season with quality FA's to bolster it

[Whur CHad At?]

hey i love KK, but yesterday he made some huge mistakes and got burned a couple of times.

[turningpoint]

well ur healthy can you run and catch.....you're in!

[HoosierCat]

It's like Jim Rome said today - what sort of moron game plans to stop the Edge and make Manning beat you???? What the hell kind of game plan is that???

The one you write up when you're faced with Edge and Manning and your run D is nonexistent. Do you think that if they spent the game dropping seven into coverage and putting our front four on an island against James that the outcome would have been any different? That strategy, followed by many other squads this year, hasn't prevented Manning from being the years' top passers so far. Nor has it actually succeeded in getting anyone a victory against the Colts. In the stop-Manning scenario all I see is James getting about 30 carries for 180-200 yards and a game that ends up being, oh, say 31-24 Colts.

The only hope I ever saw for this game was to win a shootout...we came close but no cigar.

[HairOnFire]

It's like Jim Rome said today - what sort of moron game plans to stop the Edge and make Manning beat you???? What the hell kind of game plan is that???

The one you write up when you're faced with Edge and Manning and your run D is nonexistent. Do you think that if they spent the game dropping seven into coverage and putting our front four on an island against James that the outcome would have been any different? That strategy, followed by many other squads this year, hasn't prevented Manning from being the years' top passers so far. Nor has it actually succeeded in getting anyone a victory against the Colts. In the stop-Manning scenario all I see is James getting about 30 carries for 180-200 yards and a game that ends up being, oh, say 31-24 Colts.

The only hope I ever saw for this game was to win a shootout...we came close but no cigar.

I would have greatly preferred trying to slow the Colt's passing game to what we witnessed. In fact, I gave my reasons in the Freebie Sportin News strategy thread you started. Let James get his 30 carries and 200 yards. Let the Colts score 31....because the Bengals win that game, and the reason the do when others teams haven't is because how the Bengals have more offensive firepower than those other teams, have a more balanced attack, and because the way the Bengals choose to defend the Colts has nothing to do with how the Bengals attack them.

[HoosierCat]

I would have greatly preferred trying to slow the Colt's passing game to what we witnessed. In fact, I gave my reasons in the Freebie Sportin News strategy thread you started. Let James get his 30 carries and 200 yards. Let the Colts score 31....because the Bengals win that game, and the reason the do when others teams haven't is because how the Bengals have more offensive firepower than those other teams, have a more balanced attack, and because the way the Bengals choose to defend the Colts has nothing to do with how the Bengals attack them.

Yes it does: time of posession. Let them feed James all game and the Bengals don't have an attack, because Carson & Co. are standing on the sideline while Indy's offense controls the clock. They (Indy) had a 3 or 4 minute TOP advantage as it was. Give James another 8 or 10 or 12 lugs and the Colts are likely to hold the ball for 38 or 40 minutes. At least the "defend the run" approach made any damage done by the Colts comparatively quick, maximizing the time the bengals O had to answer. And had they had a couple fewer (dubious) penalties and gotten one decent kick from Larson it might have worked.

[San Antonio Bengal]

I think Chad needs to be cut. I mean couldn't the guy at least get 200 yards? Yeesh.

[Whur CHad At?]

Yeah I know Chad is so bad

[walshfan]

Joisey is right.... a shootout was the only way... you saw how james ate the clock on the drive in the third quarter....

there really isnt any way to stop them unless you have a great passrush and solid secondary with an offense to boot....

Thats what NE Used to have...

[HairOnFire]

Joisey is right.... a shootout was the only way... you saw how james ate the clock on the drive in the third quarter....

Really? Are you guys seriously going to defend a defensive strategy that allowed the Colts to score 5 TD's on 5 possessions? Really?

Damn.

[bengalboomer7]

Hair, I know we don't have the best D(unserstatement of the year), but at what point do you say, IT WAS THE COLTS. possibly the greatest offense ever over the last 3-5 years. We gameplanned to their stlye of play through 9 games. Peyton was having an average year by his standards(great year by anyone else's) and they were watching dfenses drop back into coverage consistently taking away the passing game. I don't really argue the gameplan, we just didn't have the horses to pull it off.

And I didn't see too many people talk about how the Bengals tore up the supposedly #1 defense in the league

[HairOnFire]

Hair, I know we don't have the best D(unserstatement of the year), but at what point do you say, IT WAS THE COLTS. possibly the greatest offense ever over the last 3-5 years. We gameplanned to their stlye of play through 9 games.

I thought I was giving the Colt's offense their due by admitting that they were likely to get at least 30 points regardless of how they were defended. But I'll argue that the Bengals defensive scheme didn't gameplan against the Colts greatest strength, the passing game, but focused more on the Bengals own weakness, the run defense.

And along those lines excuse me for thinking that if the Bengals would have focused on defending against the Colt passing attack their own offensive firepower could have eventually taken the Colt's rushing offense out of the game. After all, it's precisely how this team has won games all season long, right?

[HoosierCat]

Joisey is right.... a shootout was the only way... you saw how james ate the clock on the drive in the third quarter....

Really? Are you guys seriously going to defend a defensive strategy that allowed the Colts to score 5 TD's on 5 possessions? Really?

Damn.

Shrug. They would have scored with James as well. It just would have taken longer and given the bengals fewer opportunities to return fire. Given the way they've been leaving points on the field all season, I would have been in no hurry to adopt a strategy that reduces the number of shots we could take. And like I said before, it almost worked; the game turned on a couple of (questionable) penalties, a bad punt, and a 4th down non-conversion.