Filling our needs for next year?

[dchyde]

So if this is a bad year for DTs in the draft, who in the FA market would be of help to us?

[Gregory Gall]

best thread I've seen in a while. lots of good comments and insight

[Stripes]

Hey I know, let's just give Langston Moore some more playing time, he has been excellent when given the opportunity....

[derekshank]

So if this is a bad year for DTs in the draft, who in the FA market would be of help to us?

There's no one really. There are several threads on this subject... and the only name worth a mention is the over-priced Hovan, and I don't know how he's been doing this year... but haven't even heard his name mentioned since he left Minnesota... so I doubt he's making a big impact.

[turningpoint]

there's other...

the 2 rams DT's are FA's....could be picked up cheaply.

[derekshank]

Here are all the DT's with 4 years or more experience that are not currently under contract for 2006:

Baltimore Ravens

Ma'ake Kemoeatu DT

Buffalo Bills

Justin Bannan DT

Ron Edwards DT

Denver Broncos

Monsanto Pope DT

Indianapolis Colts

Larry Tripplett DT

Jacksonville Jaguars

Rob Meier DT

Kansas City Chiefs

Lional Dalton DT

New York Jets

James Reed DT

Oakland Raiders

Ed Jasper DT

Kenny Smith DT

Arizona Cardinals

Russell Davis NT

Green Bay Packers

Grady Jackson DT

New Orleans Saints

Willie Whitehead DT

New York Giants

Kendrick Clancy DT

Seattle Seahawks

Rocky Bernard DT

St. Louis Rams

Tyoka Jackson DT

Damione Lewis DT

Ryan Pickett NT

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

Chris Hovan DT

Ellis Wyms DT

I don't stay real up to date on DT's league wide... but there aren't any names in there that will break into the top 25 DT's in the league... and that is what we need.

[Jet23]

I completely agree with everything Schweinhart said. Though some draft boards may have DT's listed in the first, none of them, save possibly Ngata, seems to actually be much of a force on the field. Remember, DT is just about the trickiest position to draft in terms of translating to NFL success. Those who work out were often absolute BEASTS in college (like a Warren Sapp), and we don't see that this year. I will say that Ngata seems to be double-teamed virtually every play, so it's tough to measure him. However, guys like Gabe Watson and Wright are getting benched by their own teams. I wouldn't exactly call that first round material.

I actually disagree with the Linebacker comment made earlier as well. The thing about someone like a Bobby Carpenter (rumored to have sub 4.5 speed) is that he has an amazing pass rush. If we don't get one of the two premier DE's in the first round (we won't), I think this is as good an option as any. But yes, the CB/SS interchangeable player (Jimmy Williams (won't get him), Huff, Jason Allen and play-making Tight End are the way to go.

If the talent was there, we could do otherwise, but you draft in positions where there's depth.

I really like Carpenter as well. He'll never make it down to the Bengals, but if he did ML would snatch him up. I just don't see an immediate impact DL still around when the 32nd pick rolls around...

[ahanes]

I like Hawk, but no way will he be there when the Bengals pick (and I think Brian Simmons has a few good years left in him anyways). And regardless of what Marvin says, I hope the Bengals draft a big fatass defensive tackle in the first round. I don't care if he can rush the QB or not, just stop the damn run!! Second round has to be a safety to replace Kaesviharn/Herring in the starting lineup. Third round will either be a tight end or another defensive tackle. Who knows though...maybe a guy like Ryan Pickett would be a good pickup and then focus on a safety in the first round.

[Kazkal]

No other way to go besides Ngata in the 1st round... Trade up if we have too =P

[andybren]

I like Hawk, but no way will he be there when the Bengals pick (and I think Brian Simmons has a few good years left in him anyways).

Simmons is coming into the most expensive part of his contract. With Landon coming up, his position on the team is not secure. Especially with the need for extra cash on the offensive line.

[belmontbengal]

Man, this thread has some good info in it! Thanks, Derek for posting that list. You're right, I don't see any real jaw-droppers in FA. I would LOVE to see us pick up a DT that if NOTHING ELSE can stop the run. We need that badly. (thank you, mr. obvious

As for Carpenter vs Hawk, I wasn't intent on saying we need to draft them. I just wonder if we shouldn't consider pickin up a middle round steal of a lb? (if there is one, and I have confidence in Marvin's ability to draft so I bet he could find one) Alas, about the only college ball I watch is Bucks games so my only point of reference is the fine backing core out of OSU. I am quite certain there are other fine talents out there, like that kid from Minnesota, Abdul Hodge. (not sure of his year though)

Keep up the insights, all!

[AMC]

Think Marvin will adhere to the "best player available" logic, even if it means we draft at a "strong" position like WR or CB? That seems to be his MO.....

I know in this past year's draft he did rule out a couple of positions like QB....Will be interesting to see how it works...at what point do you draft for need in a certain area????

[belmontbengal]

Think Marvin will adhere to the "best player available" logic, even if it means we draft at a "strong" position like WR or CB? That seems to be his MO.....

I know in this past year's draft he did rule out a couple of positions like QB....Will be interesting to see how it works...at what point do you draft for need in a certain area????

I think Marvin knows he has a bit of a sieve installed on the defensive line right now. I would be absolutely astounded if it isn't addressed in a strong manner. (at least that is what I hope, hehe)

[USMC203]

I am a rookie here but have been reading this board for a very long time. This is one of the best subjects on here other than BEATING PITTISBURG. I tkink the best way to go is get Grady Jackson, work on S. Smith and draft a DT that is not a big name but a big run stopper. It would be nice to know what there plans are for Askew, if he did not inprove this year he needs to move on. But in the end " In Marvin we trust" he alreay knows who is the fit for us in the draft and FA !

[bengalsfan4lifekf]

adam arch is really a bad ss he has declined so much since his first 2 years he returned a TD recently but that about all he has done

What WE NeEd

we need to get a DT opposite John Thorton Askew and robinson are not that great

we also have to get another saftey opposite of Williams

We definatley need a TE big time it will ooen the offense even more

[OrangeStripes]

TO will be a free agent next year!

I'm sure you are saying that tongue in cheek, but you can have his punk ass. TO

Trade his butt to Houston!

But if we got TO and traded him to Houston... Who would we get in return, you can't possibly be thinking a Houston Texan

[Stripes]

TO will be a free agent next year!

I'm sure you are saying that tongue in cheek, but you can have his punk ass. TO

Trade his butt to Houston!

But if we got TO and traded him to Houston... Who would we get in return, you can't possibly be thinking a Houston Texan

He's not even worth their 3rd string longsnapper.

[OrangeStripes]

[AMC]

I think the Baltimore Ravens are thanking their lucky stars they were juked out of TO.

I just remember that Pro Bowl interview where McNabb was campaigning for TO to sign with the Eagles.....Oooops.....

Well, back to the topic....Earlier I threw out there the idea of Marvin drafting the best available player....but I see us trading down and going D-line.....hopefully for all of the first 4 rounds! Ha, kidding (maybe).....

[Ickeyshuffler]

Lived in Eugene, OR until a few months ago...Haloti Ngata is a monster, draws constant double-teams, and needs to be a bengal even if a trade-up is necessary (which it likely will be, especially after the combine, etc.)

[Kazkal]

eh how would we get TO before the texans they get first dibs

Lived in Eugene, OR until a few months ago...Haloti Ngata is a monster, draws constant double-teams, and needs to be a bengal even if a trade-up is necessary (which it likely will be, especially after the combine, etc.)

"thumbs up"

How could you not want a guy who is almost weighing 350 and still has speed and power just isen't a block of fat.

PS,even if we finished 7-9 this year I woulden't mind because then we'd hasve a chance getting him but i'm fine with going 10-6+ and trading up

[derekshank]

Ngata is a big fat slob indeed... but Marvin won't trade up to get him. He likes the smaller guys anyway... so I still say we go with the Tennessee kid Maholena. He's not huge... but he finds ways into the backfield on runs all the time. That is what we need.

[Kazkal]

Meh we need size not speed or take both with ngata

[BengalszoneBilly]

Sign your own first! If you're good you need to keep what the coaching staff sees as the "nucleus" at the various positions intact....especially the O-line....

Damn AMC! Everytime I need to go and post my point of view on a subject and you've already posted yours, I'll just quote you and add: "What he said!"

I agree here 100% There is a core of key players at various positions on any team that serves as the "Nucleus" of that organizations strengths and success. Niners had it, Pats did too, but it's now referred to as their "I,R. list. Indy obviously has theirs, as I believe Marvin has his for the Bengals. Guy's that are crucial for Cincinnati to retain:

Five guy's on offense that I feel as though they're guaranteed to be listed on it?

#1: Carson Palmer

#2: Chad Johnson

#3: Willie Anderson

#4: Rudi Johnson

#5: T.J. Houshmandzadeh

Five on defense:

#1: Odell Thurman

#2: Madieu Williams

#3: Deltha ONeal

#4: Tory James

#5: David Pollack

[wookie]

What a great thread!! I was just wondering if anyone was talking about the draft already, glad I'm not the only one thinking about it.

1st: I have watched Ngata play, the guy is a monster and when you see him in action there is no way you say he's just a fat a$$.(incidentally, how many times have I seen people on this site posting things like "we need a big fat a$$ at DT to stop the run", and now its a bad thing?? ) I have had my eye on him for a while, but I have to wonder if he'll be a 1st rounder or not. I think the Bengals should keep an eye out, and if he isn't gone by the time they pick in the 1st then they should hold off till the 2nd and maybe try to trade up in the 2nd round to get him. Grady Jackson is a good, solid pro who would be a great addition to the run D.

2nd: I watched the Bengals go after a great college player last year and land David Pollack in the 1st round...the whole time I was hoping they might go after Heath Miller. Not just because I thought that the Bengals needed a TE, but because of all the teams that had to pick after the Bengals only Pittsburgh needed a TE and could afford to spend a 1st round pick on one. I really didn't want the Bengals to have to go up against Todd Heap and Heath Miller twice a year for years to come. Hopefully Pollack will come into his own and the Bengals won't have to regret that too much.

3rd: I think that the Bengals can go after a TE in the 1st round. I like Schoebel but he's just too inconsistent and he never really blossomed as a blocker. One player who could make a difference and add yet another weapon to the potent Bengals' O is another Georgia product, the 6'7 Leonard Pope. Its hard not to notice the guy based on his size alone, but I got my first chance to see him in action tonight and he's pretty good. I like his blocking ability, he can get down the field and get open, he has good hands, and he's a great athlete. I saw him try to hurdle the safety after a catch and the safety got just enough of hi leg to throw him off balance and bring him down. I also liked watching him carry 2 DBs down the field for an extra 3 or 4 yards on another catch. I think thats the way to go in the 1st round, DT will have more prospects.

Last: I don't think Archuletta is better than KK right now, I wouldn't sign him.