kingwilly Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Before I break out my take on pollack, let me say that I am happy he was our pick when we drafted him, was excited as camp approached and watched he and his moron agent ruin his chance to be an impact player until probably mid way through the season.So...on to his review.DP is playing on critical 3rd down passing situations playing at RDE. He is on the field at other times as well but primarily to provide a right-side rush for QB pressure. Through 5 games here is his line from the game log.Year Team G Total Tckl Ast Sacks Int Yds Avg Lg TD Pass Def 2005 Cincinnati Bengals 5 10 10.0 0 1 0 0 0.0 0 0 1 CLED. Pollack 6-0 0.0 0 0 I don't recall seeing him make more than a few tackels in this game, mostly towards the end of the game.MIND. Pollack 1-0 0.0 0 0 Seemed to be active. Only down for 1 tackle but had a couple of pressures...but also 2 offsides pentalies.CHID. Pollack 0-0 0.0 0 0I know I saw him on the field but had no tackles. HOUD. Pollack 2-0 1.0 0 0Has his frist sack vs bad HOU line and Carr. Seemed to disappear at times. JAXD. Pollack 1-0 0.0 0 01 Tackle. I know he was run at several times and lost contain. Overall:I think that David Pollack has underperformed. This seems to in part be due to his sitting out most of camp but also some adjustment to the NFL game. He has played at his RDE position and I have yet to see a snap where he lines up as a true OLB. He has dropped into coverage vs TE and RB. I don't see him starting anytime soon. He looks smaller than I remember him from the GA game tapes but pretty quick. While some adjustment is bound to occur, including getting beat/run over/penalties, etc. but I hope this week vs TEN marks his emergence and some impact.SO far I give him a C-. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckj414 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Seems like a fair grade to me. Even holding out of training camp, I expected (perhaps foolishly) to see a few more flashes out of him. But I wouldn't dare write him off yet, we really need to give him until the end of next season or even the year after before we pass final judgement. That holdout really is going to hold him back, more than most of us think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 If anyone is going to write David Pollack off this early is a complete retard. He will be very VERY GOOD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 So far Pollack hasn't had enough playing time to produce statistics much better than that. The man needs time, so take it easy. Let's focus on that other rookie defender that is tearing it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I don't think the guy is writing off David, he's just giving him the grade that he deserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I think it's absolutely fair to give him some analysis after 5 games. Basically, week 1 was his best showing, so there's no reason to say he shouldn't have had enough time. Secondly, it's more ridiculous to say he hasn't had enough time to be graded because of the holdout -- he's not going to get a pass from me because he held out. And nobody's saying that this is their final take on him. Obviously, he's going to improve with time. If anything, I would be concerned that he might run up against a plateau in his performance due to his "tweener" size. However, it's totally fair to check out his progress. I think C- is probably about right. It would be hard to give him any better of a grade at this point. His use situationally is, again, going to be due to his hold out more than anything else. If he had been getting the reps. we would probably see him platooning with Landon already. I have to say I'm most disappointed in the penalties in the Minn. game. He had a single assignment "pin the ears back" role on both of those and he jumped. That pissed me off at the time. I'm less unhappy about him being physically overwhelmed at this point because I think he will become more clever about angles and gaps with game experience. So, in short, I pretty much agree with Willy's take. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 My take on Pollack thus far is that he isn't likely to be a big factor this year. Which is a bit disappointing given the way Marvin talked the kid up, even after his holdout. And it marks the third straight year out 1st round pick has provided minimal to no immediate impact.I'm not giving up on him...but after 5 games he's behind Reinard Wilson...Pollack: 10 tackles, 1 sack, 1 PDWilson: 14 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 PD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 They drafted Pollack as a 275lb DE and then want him to convert into an outside backer.. He loses 20 some odd pounds and now they line him up at DE weighing 255 or less!!!! Give me a break.. Let him get his body in the shape to play one position.. If its DE let him bulk up.. If its linebacker then stay at 250 or so... We arent running a 3-4 here ..If we were he might get by as a DE at that weight... Not here and now though.Missing camp has hurt him tremendously but they're compounding the problme now by having him play the DE at a light weight.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 ...but after 5 games he's behind Reinard Wilson...Pollack: 10 tackles, 1 sack, 1 PDWilson: 14 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 PDOuch Joisey. Ouch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odellthurmanfan Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 I think he'll be fine. I'll give him a C- as of right now also. I think he'll slowly improve. He definatley shouldn't have held out, I don't understand that at all, never have though with Rookies. I just wish we could see him have atleast one big game to reassure everyone he's worth the pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucktkd Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Marv wants him to be in the mould of Peter Boulware of the Rats. But Pete's numbers for his rookie season were...16g 57t 41.0t 16a 11.5s 0int Pollack has aways to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 WCA? only an idiot would take my (or anyone elses post here) as writing him off.Walsh- the weight comment is right on. What is he a DE? or LB? SOmeone needs to decide.The man had the ....it should have started in TRAINING CAMP! Everyday he missed he hurt the team by being absent. I don't think anyone should take it "Easy" on him at this point, especially the coaches.I hope, HOPE that the next few games gives him some confidence. McNair is less mobile that before. Rotenburger is not going to be flying round on that knee in 2 week. Then Favre comes to town with his decimated line. Time to earn your paycheck "David". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 How much pentration would Justin smith or Geathers get if they lost 20-25lbs??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 exactly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!As far as Joisey's Reinard comment, Rienard had a decent first couple of years...then......flat line.Must wash hands....old bengals...old bengals...wash hands, wash hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Cleveland Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 To me he needs to play LB at his current weight. it seems to me that he would be better right now running sideline to sideline blowing people up. If that means he sits right now then so be it. Give Fanene those chances...he's gonna be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backerman Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 One other thing you may want to note. LAst week vs the Texans, Houston started keeping a back in to his side and help double.Jacksonville did the same thing, on several passing downs the back stayed to Pollacks side and provided chip.I can't say whether or not this was just common procedure to have the back stay to Leftwichs back side or if they felt Pollack was more of a pass rush threat than Smith and made sure the back was to his side.If he is playing a role in the other teams pass protection schemes, then he is making more of an impact than the stats would one to believe.I think the Defense as a whole played pretty crappy vs Jacksonville. I mean NO ONE stayed at home on the backside. Taylor had to get 70yds just from hitting the backside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stofa Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 It's all about the "joisey". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 He seems to disappear because HE ISNT ON THE FREAKING FIELD YOU MORON!He doesn't have the same stats as Wilson because Wilson was a FULL TIME STARTER and he isn't.The dude is growing. He is converting from a DE to a SSLB and that takes time; time he didn't get in training camp thanks to his holdout.Grading him now is like grading a 1st grader after the first day of school. STUPID Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 I have been unimpressed with Pollack since the voluntary workouts in the spring. The coaches haven't really allowed him to find his rythm, which is a huge thing with players. Constantly switching him back and forth between LB and DE can't be easy to learn either in the NFL. But it's not all their fault either...him not in camp over 300,000 really pisses me off, and unlike others I don't forget those things. Hold out as long as you want ala Odell, Rudi, TJ, as long as it doesn't affect your game. I still haven't forgiven J. Smith...forgiveness only comes at the probowl for me. Because if you hold out, you damn well better be pro bowl caliber...if not, you're a greedy jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 ...but after 5 games he's behind Reinard Wilson...Pollack: 10 tackles, 1 sack, 1 PDWilson: 14 tackles, 1.5 sacks, 1 PDOuch Joisey. Ouch.Have to correct myself, had the wrong year. Reinard had no sacks but 1 PD through his first five (and no, he didn't start all those games). Haven't been able to nail down a tackle number yet...still, Pollack is hardly blowing Wilson's numbers away... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC203 Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Well this should freak a lot of people. They need to sit Pollack for a couple of games, at times when he did play he looked lost. Bring back Clem in his place and let Pollack get fired up about the benching, maybe then he will come out fighting. He has not produced enough and I think most of you agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Water boy is a retard who screwed his rookie season, it wasnt his agent! I remember Marvin blasting him. His ego has done this to him. therefore to me he shall always be known as water boy. If he is great or a bust. Give the retard an F! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Water boy is a retardThus speaketh the expert on being retarded..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 TNBT - He disappears when he is on the field. Obviously i pointed out that he is used situationally, meaning he is not on the field every down. Thanks for clearing that up for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Well this should freak a lot of people. They need to sit Pollack for a couple of games, at times when he did play he looked lost.I don't think they should necessarily sit him...what it comes down to is, IMHO, how ready is he to play OLB?If for any reason he isn't the best option at SSLB, then yes, sit him. If he is the best option, then put him in and let him learn the position. He, and the team, will probably take some lumps, but that's no different than starting any other rook.I agree with the previously expressed sentiments about putting him at DE. The Bengals have historically been famous for this kind of s**t, moving young guys around in an attempt to get them in the game somewhere and ending up retarding their development. They did it with Reinard Wilson, they did it with Mark Roman, now they're doing it with Pollack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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