5 Notes

[Jet23]

1) Boy did we miss TJ. Hopefully our crack medical staff can get him on the field by the Buffalo game.

2) Robert Geathers has officially earned his father's nickname (Jumpy). Is it me, or has this guy not made a play since last year. Tell me again why we cut Langston Moore?

3) Chris Perry is going to be a star.

4) I love CJ, but his little list is starting to be a problem. If it motivates him, that is fine. However, Carson should not feel pressure to get the ball to Chad, just so he doesn't look bad.

5) Although the Squirrel only had 2 catches, he seems to have an entirely different attitude. Did anyone else notice that he didn't use his famous first down signal. It was all business. I'm sorry, Walter is a great ST gunner, but he doesn't create enough separation on his routes. He also had some costly penalties.

[Benzoo]

So is TJ's hand officially broken?

I thought it was kinda minor, considering he was pretty much a gametime descision.

I think Kelly Washington can be of help, but CHris Henry's been soo daggone good, I'm not sure Kelly even matters anymore.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

1) Boy did we miss TJ. Hopefully our crack medical staff can get him on the field by the Buffalo game.

2) Robert Geathers has officially earned his father's nickname (Jumpy). Is it me, or has this guy not made a play since last year. Tell me again why we cut Langston Moore?

3) Chris Perry is going to be a star.

4) I love CJ, but his little list is starting to be a problem. If it motivates him, that is fine. However, Carson should not feel pressure to get the ball to Chad, just so he doesn't look bad.

5) Although the Squirrel only had 2 catches, he seems to have an entirely different attitude. Did anyone else notice that he didn't use his famous first down signal. It was all business. I'm sorry, Walter is a great ST gunner, but he doesn't create enough separation on his routes. He also had some costly penalties.

1) We did? Seems to me that Chris Henry, Kelly Washington, and Kevin Walters all had decent games and together made up for his absence. Even Tj would have had a tough time against one of the top defenses in the league this season (#3 prior to our game, remember). If anything, this game proved our depth at WR was good, AND that Chris Henry was a steal in the draft.

2) Because Langston Moore wasn't as good as the other guy, Shaun Smith, when it came down to it. It had nothing to do with a guy at another position. Geathers gets pressure, even if he doesn't get sacks. Remember, this is his first season as a starter. He's still growing, and has a lot of potential. He just needs to settle down.

3) Chris Perry may be a star, but he still won't beat out Rudi Johnson, who is still getting it done.

4) Do you really think that having that list motivates anyone? Lets face it, evey corner we go up against puts a target on Chad Johnson. It wouldn't matter if Chad had his mouth sown shut and his hands taped together all week so he couldn't say or write anything to egg on the opposition. Defensive coaches look at our team and say "Our number one priority is to control the big play from Carson Palmer to Chad Johnson". How does his list change that? It doesn't. Teams STILL spend all week gameplanning to handle him, the same way they do guys like Marvin Harrison who don't say a word.

5) The Squirrel is still doing a mediocre job. As for the other KW, are you smoking dope? Yes, he made a couple costly errors, but he was the one who broke back to save Carson's butt too. He wasn't SUPPOSED to have half the talent Girly Washington was, and yet he is having a better season than Washington, because Washington is USELESS in special teams, and thus doesn't even end up active unless someone else is injured.

[Jet23]

As for the other KW, are you smoking dope?

Let's review the play that CJ was really upset about. On third down Carson did not even look at Chad, because he expected Walter to be somewhat open. He was not. You could not have fit Joe Theismann's IQ between Kevin and the DB. TJ runs better routes, thereby creating more separation. Really not that difficult to understand. If you think Walter can fill TJ's shoes, you are the one smoking the rope. KW is a gamer, but if he did not give up his body on Special Teams, no way he makes this club.

[Wraith]

Jumpy is Robert's uncle not father, but he is certainly living up to the name. Anybody notice that both times he jumped he was playing the Duane Clemons DE playing DT position? Maybe it is time to stop that experiment

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

As for the other KW, are you smoking dope?

Let's review the play that CJ was really upset about. On third down Carson did not even look at Chad, because he expected Walter to be somewhat open. He was not. You could not have fit Joe Theismann's IQ between Kevin and the DB. TJ runs better routes, thereby creating more separation. Really not that difficult to understand. If you think Walter can fill TJ's shoes, you are the one smoking the rope. KW is a gamer, but if he did not give up his body on Special Teams, no way he makes this club.

I hate to break it to you, but KW DID make the club. TWICE. TJ does run better routes, in fact, he's one of the best in the league, BUT, the other guys got the job done. We played a really tough defense, and even TJ would have had trouble. I never said Walter could fill TJs shoes, I said that our depth was good enough that we weren't lost without TJ. It wasn't the receivers that cost us this game.

[Jet23]

Jumpy is Robert's uncle not father, but he is certainly living up to the name. Anybody notice that both times he jumped he was playing the Duane Clemons DE playing DT position? Maybe it is time to stop that experiment

My bad, that was his uncle. I didn't understand why he was in the middle either. All I know is that Taylor did the same stop & cut move every damn time. After the Texans exploited their over pursuit last week, you would have thought they would have handled that cut back better. With that being said, the DL is a work in progress and will get better. Geathers is going to be good, but I can't believe he fell for the 'ole banana in the tailpipe trick twice.

TJ does run better routes, in fact, he's one of the best in the league, BUT, the other guys got the job done.

Good call on TJ being one of the best in the league. No, the receivers did not cost us the game, but I do believe TJ could have won us the game. Remember what he did to a great Baltimore defense last year?

[ShulaSteakhouse]

This team needs a bye week in the worst way.

But, figure TJ, Madeiu, Braham and Clemons may all very well be back next week. Madeiu is a real concern if he doesn't heal or can't play at 90%. Because the Bengals' safeties suck without him. You're talking about missing one of the best, young defensive players in the NFL...that hurts.

In any case this team needs a healthy Willie (who looked terrible last night again) Madeiu, TJ, and Clemons to provide an actual pass rush.

Geathers is pretty useless inside, I don't know why they keep putting him in there, his speed (his best asset) is completely wasted at that position.

This team is still very good and Palmer is going to keep them in every game this year I'm thinking.

That said I still think they're a year away from being as good as they can be consistently, just some glaring holes still talent-wise - but not nearly as many as years' past.

[HairOnFire]

I don't understand the criticism directed towards Washington, especially when Kevin Walter is defended after having a very BAD game . If anything I was frustrated that the Bengals didn't throw Washington's way more often.

C'mon, help me out here. What did Washington do wrong in last nights game? Anything? Anything at all?

[Stripes]

I don't understand the criticism directed towards Washington, especially when Kevin Walter is defended after having a very BAD game . If anything I was frustrated that the Bengals didn't throw Washington's way more often.

C'mon, help me out here. What did Washington do wrong in last nights game? Anything? Anything at all?

One thing he certainly did right was get open down field, in the first half I think it was. If Palmer had thrown the ball a hair shorter, then this wouldn't be up for debate. I don't think it so much that Washington has played poorly, but more that Henry has played so well, and Walter has been consistent on third down, even during last night's game.

[BENGAL]

This team needs a bye week in the worst way.

But, figure TJ, Madeiu, Braham and Clemons may all very well be back next week. Madeiu is a real concern if he doesn't heal or can't play at 90%. Because the Bengals' safeties suck without him. You're talking about missing one of the best, young defensive players in the NFL...that hurts.

In any case this team needs a healthy Willie (who looked terrible last night again) Madeiu, TJ, and Clemons to provide an actual pass rush.

Geathers is pretty useless inside, I don't know why they keep putting him in there, his speed (his best asset) is completely wasted at that position.

This team is still very good and Palmer is going to keep them in every game this year I'm thinking.

That said I still think they're a year away from being as good as they can be consistently, just some glaring holes still talent-wise - but not nearly as many as years' past.

Kevin Walter did not have a very BAD game. Yes he had a few penalties, nothing that cost us the game. He also had a few nice catches, one of which I personally believe was a first down. None of our receivers had great games. And if TJ had played last night he would have struggled as well. I wouldn't write off Walter just yet.

[Jet23]

I don't understand the criticism directed towards Washington, especially when Kevin Walter is defended after having a very BAD game . If anything I was frustrated that the Bengals didn't throw Washington's way more often.

C'mon, help me out here. What did Washington do wrong in last nights game? Anything? Anything at all?

I always thought that Washington was a good talent, I just didn't like his antics after making routine plays. I have no problem with how he played last night. I was happily surprised when, after his first reception, he jogged back to huddle. He could have very easily soured during the past few weeks, but he handled his deactivation with poise and class. I hope Marvin rewards him. Kevin Walter is a tough dude and it is hard not to like the guy. But, I don't think he is in Washington's class as far as wide receiver goes. There is nothing wrong with that, because his value is on Special Teams. Heck, guys like Bates and Tasker had pretty good careers on Special Teams alone.

[smith288]

This team needs a bye week in the worst way.

But, figure TJ, Madeiu, Braham and Clemons may all very well be back next week. Madeiu is a real concern if he doesn't heal or can't play at 90%. Because the Bengals' safeties suck without him. You're talking about missing one of the best, young defensive players in the NFL...that hurts.

In any case this team needs a healthy Willie (who looked terrible last night again) Madeiu, TJ, and Clemons to provide an actual pass rush.

Geathers is pretty useless inside, I don't know why they keep putting him in there, his speed (his best asset) is completely wasted at that position.

This team is still very good and Palmer is going to keep them in every game this year I'm thinking.

That said I still think they're a year away from being as good as they can be consistently, just some glaring holes still talent-wise - but not nearly as many as years' past.

Kevin Walter did not have a very BAD game. Yes he had a few penalties, nothing that cost us the game. He also had a few nice catches, one of which I personally believe was a first down. None of our receivers had great games. And if TJ had played last night he would have struggled as well. I wouldn't write off Walter just yet.

I think, technically, he did cost the Bengals the game. The play he false started was the play that Chad was to do a slant post that had the db scratching his butt but the play was whistled dead... Chad and Carson were working all game to set up that play and Walter ruined it.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Walter's false start when Chad had clearly killed the cornerback was a game costing mistake...That was definitely a TD for Chad which would have made the score 27-23

[HairOnFire]

Here's a funny thought. I'm a dedicated K-Dub pimp, but until someone mentioned it I didn't notice that Washington shelved the first down gesture. Yet somehow Chad's antics drive me batty. No, not the TD celebrations. The smack talking. And the list. That stupid list. I guess I simply can't bring myself to care about Washington's gyrations until they're used as a source of extra motivation for opposing teams.

BTW, did you guys check out Jag wideout Reggie Williams after every catch?

[Kirkendall]

1) We did? Seems to me that Chris Henry, Kelly Washington, and Kevin Walters all had decent games and together made up for his absence. Even Tj would have had a tough time against one of the top defenses in the league this season (#3 prior to our game, remember). If anything, this game proved our depth at WR was good, AND that Chris Henry was a steal in the draft.

2) Because Langston Moore wasn't as good as the other guy, Shaun Smith, when it came down to it. It had nothing to do with a guy at another position. Geathers gets pressure, even if he doesn't get sacks. Remember, this is his first season as a starter. He's still growing, and has a lot of potential. He just needs to settle down.

3) Chris Perry may be a star, but he still won't beat out Rudi Johnson, who is still getting it done.

4) Do you really think that having that list motivates anyone? Lets face it, evey corner we go up against puts a target on Chad Johnson. It wouldn't matter if Chad had his mouth sown shut and his hands taped together all week so he couldn't say or write anything to egg on the opposition. Defensive coaches look at our team and say "Our number one priority is to control the big play from Carson Palmer to Chad Johnson". How does his list change that? It doesn't. Teams STILL spend all week gameplanning to handle him, the same way they do guys like Marvin Harrison who don't say a word.

5) The Squirrel is still doing a mediocre job. As for the other KW, are you smoking dope? Yes, he made a couple costly errors, but he was the one who broke back to save Carson's butt too. He wasn't SUPPOSED to have half the talent Girly Washington was, and yet he is having a better season than Washington, because Washington is USELESS in special teams, and thus doesn't even end up active unless someone else is injured.

1. Yes, we did. Carson has a confidence in TJ. It was nice to Schobel get some shots. Walter played well coming back to Carson when he was in trouble. But other than Chad, it didn't seem like Carson had the confidence with his other receivers like he does with TJ (throwing high, knowing he'll bring it down)

2. Geathers shouldn't play on obvious rushing downs. Good pass rusher, but his side consistently has gotten blown up this season on running plays.

3. Personally I don't care who starts. Rudi is a better rushing down solution, and Perry is the better wild card solution (patterns, lines up at WR spot). Whatever the coaches choose, and we win as a result, will make us all happy.

4. I agree. The list was funny at first, but now it's becoming a little distracting. Chad is drawing a little too much attention to himself. It doesn't help he's left subtle hints at his impending hold out before next season.

5. Washington is worthless. Cut him. Let him go. Whatever. Just don't play him.

BTW, did you guys check out Jag wideout Reggie Williams after every catch?

I wanted the Thurminator to lay this guy out. Very gay Williams is.

[ArmyBengal]

#1. Reggie Williams was reminding me of that dude from San Fran (Merton Hanks ??) who use to shake all over the place like he had a screw loose. Anyway around and regardless of who, STUPID !!!

#2. I noticed and made comment about the lack of the 1st down celebration from the squirrel and feel he hasn't played to the amount of hype he got coming out. Maybe this is because he isn't getting thrown to, maybe it's because he sucks... I'm not the authority on that one...

#3. Walters is not TJ. I'm OK with that, but come on, we missed TJ last night !!! Penalty was a killer, but we are all assuming Chad would have caught the ball... Probably would have been good, but who knows. Am I the only one who didn't know you spend an entire game setting up that one play ?? I was feeling pretty stupid !!! Next...

#4. Why the need to number all our thoughts ?? Anyway...

WHODEY !!!

[HairOnFire]

#3. Walters is not TJ. I'm OK with that, but come on, we missed TJ last night !!! Penalty was a killer, but we are all assuming Chad would have caught the ball... Probably would have been good, but who knows.

Let's ignore the big play that wasn't. By my count they threw to Walter 6 times. He caught half of them for a staggering 17 yards. Longest catch was a late 8 yarder that didn't produce a 1st down due his penalty one play prior. Added a 4 and a 5 earlier. For the record, that's 8 fewer yards of positive production than negative yardage he cost the team when commiting 3 penalties. Yup, we're talking 25 yards worth, and that's ignoring the big play that wasn't. To be fair he also produced one 1st down and made one special team tackle. I'm sure it was impressive. Still, I think it's fair to say that a wideout who nets -8 yards receiving has had a very bad game, and I don't feel compelled to withdraw the remark.

K-Dub? They threw to him just 3 times. He caught two of them for 30 yards....producing two 1st downs. Best, no penalties at all. And because this is a discussion about wide receiver play it wouldn't be fair to mention that he made no special team tackles. Then again, it's stupid to do so since we're talking about trying to replace an injured WR.

So again, for those of you who argue that Washington should be cut I ask instead why he shouldn't have been given the opportunities given to false starter Kevin Walter?

[boomerman]

I think the "big play that wasn't" was way over-hyped. Half of the defense heard the whistle and stopped, including the db that was going to cover CJ. The route itself was nothing special.

I'm not a big Kelly Washington fan, but I told my son, "I think riding the bench has been a gut check for KW." I HATED his antics after a routine catch. Maybe he's grown up.

[teenbengal14]

williams is the gayest guy ever

he acted like he never caught a pass before those plays and what about his earrings

he should just come out the closet now!

[redsbengalsbucks]

5) The Squirrel is still doing a mediocre job. As for the other KW, are you smoking dope? Yes, he made a couple costly errors, but he was the one who broke back to save Carson's butt too. He wasn't SUPPOSED to have half the talent Girly Washington was, and yet he is having a better season than Washington, because Washington is USELESS in special teams, and thus doesn't even end up active unless someone else is injured.

[Jet23]

#4. Why the need to number all our thoughts ?? Anyway...

Why do we need to number our thoughts?

1) So we can keep them straight

2) Because numbers are cool.

3) It really helps the Steeler fans. One of these days a Steeler fan is going to be able to count to 5. I like to think I will be a small part of that feat. Yeah, I know it is a long shot, but they said we would never be able to send a man into space either. O.K., they sent a monkey first, but I'm pretty sure there are monkeys that can count to 5. See Steeler fans, there is hope.

5) I know I missed 4, but I'm just messing with the Steeler fans. Like they can read...

[kingwilly]

Walter may make the extra effort and have heart but he looks like he would have really fit in with the old Bengals. It is true, he is not on the same level with a KW or Henry. I'd like to see Tab in the slot. he is a big bad mismatch waiting to happen on a safety or LB. he could be money over the middle.

[jamesbrooks21]

#3. Walters is not TJ. I'm OK with that, but come on, we missed TJ last night !!! Penalty was a killer, but we are all assuming Chad would have caught the ball... Probably would have been good, but who knows.

Let's ignore the big play that wasn't. By my count they threw to Walter 6 times. He caught half of them for a staggering 17 yards. Longest catch was a late 8 yarder that didn't produce a 1st down due his penalty one play prior. Added a 4 and a 5 earlier. For the record, that's 8 fewer yards of positive production than negative yardage he cost the team when commiting 3 penalties. Yup, we're talking 25 yards worth, and that's ignoring the big play that wasn't. To be fair he also produced one 1st down and made one special team tackle. I'm sure it was impressive. Still, I think it's fair to say that a wideout who nets -8 yards receiving has had a very bad game, and I don't feel compelled to withdraw the remark.

K-Dub? They threw to him just 3 times. He caught two of them for 30 yards....producing two 1st downs. Best, no penalties at all. And because this is a discussion about wide receiver play it wouldn't be fair to mention that he made no special team tackles. Then again, it's stupid to do so since we're talking about trying to replace an injured WR.

So again, for those of you who argue that Washington should be cut I ask instead why he shouldn't have been given the opportunities given to false starter Kevin Walter?

I agree. I think Walter played like s**t, and Washington stepped up and caught some balls. Walter still may be more valuable to this team becasue of special teams play but how could anyone want rid of Washington? He hasn't bitched about being inactive and he hasn't played bad. He has just been outplayed by Henry. And say what you like about everyone "stepping up" but we missed TJ. Period. Carson has much confidence in him and when we needed that chain mover we really didn't get it. Henry did step up but we still lost a lot of production because we are used to Henry doing what he did along with TJ and Chad. Also, IMO Chris Perry is going to be lights out. He will start taking more and more carries away from Rudi, and not that I am saying he is better. If he keeps doing the things he did Sunday night the coaching staff is going to get him the ball.