walzav29 Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 The Bengals went up against some teams with great defense's and questionable offense's last year and won. The only team that had a Bear's like formula and we couldn't beat was the Steeler's. Who have to strong D, running game, and rookie QB. So that's the question. Is Orton the next Rothberger? SUnday will tell. I know the Bengals D is better than last year, and so is the offense, and we have Chris Perry and Brian Robinson. What the hell am I questioning? Bengals 45 Bears 9. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Exactly. There is the one factor of this game that gives me so much confidence. Kyle Orton is a rookie. Our defense creates a ton of turnovers. Advantage: Bengals.Even last year, when we played the Steelers, we did a pretty good job of holding Big Ben down, sacking him seven times in one game. The problems were stooping Staley and Bettis, and the same questions will arise this year. If that rund defense is improved, then we have nothing left to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 I question whether the Bears' defense is all that great.If Bears fans are going to point to the poor showings of the Browns and Vikes and say our offense is overrated, I will happily refer them to last year, when the same offense put up 374 points (10th in the league) while facing the "top 10 defence of the week" almost every week.Meanwhile, what awesome -- or even half-decent -- offenses has this alleged great Bears D stopped. The Ramsey-led Skins? And the Lions offense looks pretty poor so far this year, too. Meanwhile, going back and looking at last year, the Bears' D was giving up an average of 24 points a game over its last four games (and losing to clubs like the Texans in the process).Yeah, yeah, I know, Urlacher and Brown were fighting injuries, blah blah blah. I remain unconvinced of the almightyness of the bears D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 I question whether the Bears' defense is all that great.If Bears fans are going to point to the poor showings of the Browns and Vikes and say our offense is overrated, I will happily refer them to last year, when the same offense put up 374 points (10th in the league) while facing the "top 10 defence of the week" almost every week.Meanwhile, what awesome -- or even half-decent -- offenses has this alleged great Bears D stopped. The Ramsey-led Skins? And the Lions offense looks pretty poor so far this year, too. Meanwhile, going back and looking at last year, the Bears' D was giving up an average of 24 points a game over its last four games (and losing to clubs like the Texans in the process).Yeah, yeah, I know, Urlacher and Brown were fighting injuries, blah blah blah. I remain unconvinced of the almightyness of the bears D.agreed! Washington was held to 0 by Dallas very VERY late in the 4th quarter... and as you said, Ramsey was playing against Chicago, not Brunell.Detroit managed a whopping 17 points on possibly the worst defense in the league in GB. GB allowed the Browns to score 26. Let's not get ahead of ourselves with that Bears defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalByTheBay Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Good points all. It's beginning to strike me just how similar the Bears defensive effort vs. the Lions was to ours against the Vikes last week. Tons of turnovers, they just happened to get some defensive points. While I would give the Lions an ever so slight advantage over the Vikes offense right now (primarily due to their WR corps.), there's hardly anything to choose between those two teams. That whole division looks to be nothing more than a doormat for the AFC N this season. I do still think the Bears d is good though. It's like us beating the Browns -- it was what we were supposed to do. I think this will end up being an interesting game -- this defense should test us, but I do feel confident that we should be able to move the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrandom42 Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 The Bengals went up against some teams with great defense's and questionable offense's last year and won. The only team that had a Bear's like formula and we couldn't beat was the Steeler's. Who have to strong D, running game, and rookie QB. So that's the question. Is Orton the next Rothberger? SUnday will tell. I know the Bengals D is better than last year, and so is the offense, and we have Chris Perry and Brian Robinson. What the hell am I questioning? Bengals 45 Bears 9.Also, didn't the Bengals blitz the heck out of Rothliesburger and sack him 7 times in the second Steeler Game last year? The Bengals had a chance to win that game, and it all hinged on turnovers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 There's no reason the Bengals' should lose this game. Chicago would be a last place team in the AFC North. The Bengals' only lose if they beat themselves, which isn't necessarily out of the question considering how sloppy they were last week in the 2nd half.If Palmer can put up a couple of TD's in the 1st quarter again, considering the Bears' run-only offense, the Bengals can tee-off on Horton and force them into turnovers and mistakes like they did Culpepper the rest of the way, and the Bears' will be forced to rely on their rookie QB instead of running the ball 50 times a game.Wake up time for the Bears folks! I see an over-confident team at home getting slapped in the face by the NFL's best offense early on and not recovering from it just like the Vikes when their shaky confidence is slapped back into reality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 If Palmer can put up a couple of TD's in the 1st quarter again, considering the Bears' run-only offense, the Bengals can tee-off on Horton and force them into turnovers and mistakes like they did Culpepper the rest of the way, and the Bears' will be forced to rely on their rookie QB instead of running the ball 50 times a game.That's a pretty big "if". I don't expect the Bengals to jump out to a huge lead in this game like they did against Minnesota. They came out of the gates with all cylinders clicking, and simply caught Minnesota off guard.We won't be so lucky as to catch the Bears napping early in the game (especially since they are at home). What we will do though is wear them out over time. To call their offense mediocre would be a complement, so it will only be a matter of time before we take a multiple score lead. The Bears defense will be primed and ready to go, but by mid-way through the second quarter, our perfect mixture of smash-mouth and finesse will begin wearing them out. That's what happens when you have a do-nothing offense, and are going against a team with as many weapons as we have.If the Bears are somehow able to play clock control with any type of success, it will be low scoring for both teams... but my guess is that they won't, and their defense will be on the field WAY too long.We will win high 20's to low 10's. That seems fair to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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