NE @ CIN Preason Game 1

[HairOnFire]

I for one will gladly admit my mistake if Kelley Washington turns out to be the next Randy Moss.

If that's what it would take then don't bother. Almost all of the debate concerning Kelley Washington was if he was better than Kevin Walters, Tab Perry, etc.

[HairOnFire]

If you only had No Huddle of just checked the stats, you would'nt know how great Perry played unless you read some of the posts on this thread -- it sounds like he had himself a Terrell Owens Super Bowl performance.

I didn't see 1 Perry touch on No Huddle, but I can't wait to be dazzled by Perry's performance.

No argument. I too am waiting to be dazzled and I'll actually give an opinion on Perry when I see his play with my own eyes. As for now I'll simply post the stats showing his rush average being less than 3.5 a pop and wonder aloud why Rudi's starting job is supposedly being threatened.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I get that there are rivalries on this message board that predate my participation, and that said personality issues factor into discussions of favorite players (ie. Dillon, Rudi, Perry), but exactly how does a true Bengal fan get off on a Bengal player possibly getting upstaged/outplayed by a teammate? I for one will gladly admit my mistake if Kelley Washington turns out to be the next Randy Moss. You won't hear me cheering or taunting or anything if the opposite plays out. (Especially when fans of rival teams chime in with their support or opposition.)

But as it pertains to actual on-the-field football, could somebody please explain to me why Perry's potential success means Rudi is "toast", "history", "trade-bait" or anything other than a strong RB who will still get plenty of carries? Sometimes the short-sightedness on this board is infuriating.

Good post, sums up my thoughts as well.

[HairOnFire]

You're so right Andy, but one of the things most people don't understand about DPM is that he is a Dillon fan first, Bengals fan second. His presence on this board has effectively corrupted many of the other Bengal fans here, since the feel forced to choose sides between Rudi and Perry... a rivalry that I am willing to bet they are unaware of.

Pushy is a Huddles style poster. The trick to that seems to be making a decent point...then take that point to outlandish extremes so that the poster stands out from the crowd. Sadly, the original point, which may have been a good one, gets lost as the poster wallows in the attention he receives.

It's a fun way to pass the offseason, but once the whistle blows...so does the trick.

As for the corrupted fans, no big deal. Guys like Spain need heroes and those heroes might as well be guys like Pushy.

[cHaD711Johnson]

Well Perry can tun the O, Rudi is toast!

lol @ yall.

DPM has been trying to tell you all along about Chris Perry and yall werent hearing it.

If Perry's average gain per rush improves by a half yard per carry....it still wouldn't be as good as the stat he keeps propping up as proof that Rudi sucks.

Perry - 3.41 average gain per rush...against backups.

He also had the backup line blocking for him with rookies on it, and he was forced to make something out of nothing on most occasions because the hole wasn't there

[membengal]

Perhaps Andy, Derek, Hair, Steakhouse and I need to start a thread with the help of mods whereby we all revel in the success of both Rudi AND Perry last night. Then, when some halfwit morons come into that thread, trying to make it a battle whereby one of the Bengals has to win and one has to lose, their keyboard will be electrified and shoot sizable corrective volts into their hands, thereby teaching them to take that to the other 1000 threads for that foolishness.

I would like that. I really would.

[Stripes]

Perhaps Andy, Derek, Hair, Steakhouse and I need to start a thread with the help of mods whereby we all revel in the success of both Rudi AND Perry last night. Then, when some halfwit morons come into that thread, trying to make it a battle whereby one of the Bengals has to win and one has to lose, their keyboard will be electrified and shoot sizable corrective volts into their hands, thereby teaching them to take that to the other 1000 threads for that foolishness.

I would like that. I really would.

Hear Hear!

[HairOnFire]

He also had the backup line blocking for him with rookies on it, and he was forced to make something out of nothing on most occasions because the hole wasn't there

True enough, but now you're trying to muddy the water by expanding the analysis to include the quality of the offensive line and maybe even the success the passing game is having. These are things that Pushy has always considered excuses when debating Rudi's average gain per rush. I've always disagreed, but according to the rules laid down in his rant those things are to be ignored, and that's what I did.

It's simple. Perry averaged less than 3.5 per rush. Rudi averaged almost twice that amount. Deal with it....or change the rules of the debate.

[schweinhart]

Gotta say one helluva 1st drive (not CP pick) by Bengals. Nice balanced playcalling wise and the O-line, especially Steinbach and Stacy the Giant, looked great.

Very pleasantly surprised by Schobel, who lined up left, right, and in split backfield as H-Back. Great surge on blocking stratight ahead, good adjustment lined up right to come back for block on backside pursuit to help Rudi get into hole, nice catch, and just overall the kind of versaility at TE that will help keep defenses guessing.

Impressive first drive. :player:

[Stripes]

He also had the backup line blocking for him with rookies on it, and he was forced to make something out of nothing on most occasions because the hole wasn't there

True enough, but now you're trying to muddy the water by expanding the analysis to include the quality of the offensive line and maybe even the success the passing game is having. These are things that Pushy has always considered excuses when debating Rudi's average gain per rush. I've always disagreed, but according to the rules laid down in his rant those things are to be ignored, and that's what I did.

It's simple. Perry averaged less than 3.5 per rush. Rudi averaged almost twice that amount. Deal with it....or change the rules of the debate.

Perry was at no disadvantage during the game. He played with the backups, offense and defense, while Rudi played with starting offense and defense. They were on even keel. Rudi averaged 6 and a half, Perry averaged 3 and a half. Perry looked good, I won't deny, and I am excited about what he brings to this offense. Rudi looked like Rudi, and Rudi looked good. Y'all gotta hope for both to succeed, or what kind of fans are you? (not directed at HoF, as I've seen him post the same thing)

[schweinhart]

The Bengals 2ns drive also was quite impressive. There's good reason to expect good things this year once CP finds his grrove better.

Perry looked all right. He did some goods things w/ a nice swing pass and juke on LB to pick up YAC, put his head down and got a 1st down on 3rd and short, and had a decent cut back against grain but ran right into traffic.

On the down side, Perry had illegal formation called on him lined up wide and didn't pose the same kind of coverage problem for a CB as an LB. Also, he tried to bounce out on run when DE got penetration but got tripped up. I doubt he's able to bounce out w/ same kind of success as college and I don't see him having great success between the tackles.

[membengal]

The hand-wringing over CP really can stop...after seeing the drives, they were a hair off on their timing and Pats were playing really tough secondary D. It's not like Bengals receivers were running wide open all over the place with CP missing them.

Plus, Justin Smith was all over the place in the first quarter. Pretty damn impressive. Helluva spin move to get pressure on Davey on the INT, tracking down Dillon across the field. Very very nice.

Geathers' sack on Davey earlier in the quarter was damn nice to see too. Came like a shot and beat Matt Light, who is a damn good T. Very very nice.

Thurman is very fast. Very fast.

[derekshank]

The hand-wringing over CP really can stop...after seeing the drives, they were a hair off on their timing and Pats were playing really tough secondary D. It's not like Bengals receivers were running wide open all over the place with CP missing them.

Good point. Funny how quickly the tide changes. All offseason I was attempting to be the voice of reason with Palmer, saying that he hasn’t shown he’s ready to step up and be league MVP just yet.

Now, after one preseason game, I feel that the majority of the posts about Palmer are worried that he’ll have a sophomore slump. Once again, I’ll try to be the voice of reason and say... Palmer will be fine. He’s not going to put up Peyton Manning’s numbers of last year, but he’s not Akili Smith either.

He’s surrounded by enough talent (including his own) to be very very good this year. Talk to me after the last pre-season game. If he is still making those bad underthrows to Chad, I’ll be really surprised.

[andybren]

I for one will gladly admit my mistake if Kelley Washington turns out to be the next Randy Moss.

If that's what it would take then don't bother. Almost all of the debate concerning Kelley Washington was if he was better than Kevin Walters, Tab Perry, etc.

My point was that I have made known my negative opinion of Kelley Washington. If I turn out to be wrong, and he becomes a consistent asset for the team, then I will gladly eat crow. I just wish the Rudi/Perry naysayers could do the same.

[HairOnFire]

Perry looked all right. He did some goods things w/ a nice swing pass and juke on LB to pick up YAC, put his head down and got a 1st down on 3rd and short, and had a decent cut back against grain but ran right into traffic.

On the down side, Perry had illegal formation called on him lined up wide and didn't pose the same kind of coverage problem for a CB as an LB. Also, he tried to bounce out on run when DE got penetration but got tripped up. I doubt he's able to bounce out w/ same kind of success as college and I don't see him having great success between the tackles.

You seem to be saying that you weren't dazzled. Well neither was I.

I will say that I was nice seeing Perry contribute and it's fair to say that he "flashed" some of the skills he's known to have....mostly a pass catcher out of the backfield. But despite the unpopularity of the opinion I've still got to say that his rushing stats didn't lie. He's fast, quick, and elusive, but he wasn't very physical, went down to quickly after first contact, and in the final analysis doesn't appear to be all the way back yet.

Still, a rather promising display of what may be just around the corner.