HoosierCat Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well, we knew it was coming, thank you Rosenwhore... BENGALS INSIDERJohnson happy with contract — for nowBy Chick LudwigDayton Daily NewsCINCINNATI | On the field, wide receiver Chad Johnson is a route-running, pass-catching, yardage-eating, touchdown-scoring machine, playing every down with unbridled enthusiasm.Off the field, in front of microphones, TV cameras and notebook pads, he's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.Which brings us to the mixed signals he's sending about his contract.Johnson, who became a client of high-profile agent Drew Rosenhaus in the offseason, tells the Bengals media that everything is cool with the $10 million signing bonus he received as part of a $25 million extension he signed in 2003 that will keep him in Cincinnati through 2009.Then he turns around and tells Jeff Rickard of Sporting News Radio he can envision a situation that would cause him to hold out in the future."Where you're outperforming what you're making or your worth is more than what you're making. I think that's the right time to go back and ask for more. Because when you don't perform to your organization's standards, what they do is either make you take a pay cut or they cut you," Johnson said."So it has to be able to go both ways. When you're outperforming what you're making, why not be able to go out and ask for more when they can let you go when you're not performing to their standards?"Johnson will be in training camp when players report on July 28. But all bets are off for 2006.Know this: Rosenhaus doesn't get paid his three percent commission from Johnson until a new contract gets done. It's doubtful that Drew and Chad can wait until 2010 for that to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well, we knew it was coming, thank you Rosenwhore... BENGALS INSIDERJohnson happy with contract — for nowBy Chick LudwigDayton Daily NewsCINCINNATI | On the field, wide receiver Chad Johnson is a route-running, pass-catching, yardage-eating, touchdown-scoring machine, playing every down with unbridled enthusiasm.Off the field, in front of microphones, TV cameras and notebook pads, he's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.Which brings us to the mixed signals he's sending about his contract.Johnson, who became a client of high-profile agent Drew Rosenhaus in the offseason, tells the Bengals media that everything is cool with the $10 million signing bonus he received as part of a $25 million extension he signed in 2003 that will keep him in Cincinnati through 2009.Then he turns around and tells Jeff Rickard of Sporting News Radio he can envision a situation that would cause him to hold out in the future."Where you're outperforming what you're making or your worth is more than what you're making. I think that's the right time to go back and ask for more. Because when you don't perform to your organization's standards, what they do is either make you take a pay cut or they cut you," Johnson said."So it has to be able to go both ways. When you're outperforming what you're making, why not be able to go out and ask for more when they can let you go when you're not performing to their standards?"Johnson will be in training camp when players report on July 28. But all bets are off for 2006.Know this: Rosenhaus doesn't get paid his three percent commission from Johnson until a new contract gets done. It's doubtful that Drew and Chad can wait until 2010 for that to happen. Well, we knew it was coming, thank you Rosenwhore... If what comes around goes around, why ain't he dead yet? I'd like to at least see his ass passed around a prison cell block a few times hundred times like in an episode of "Oz," just to see how he likes what he's been dishing out! Good job RosenAssClown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 so what. we worry bout it then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Big Orange Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 If what comes around goes around, why ain't he dead yet? I'd like to at least see his ass passed around a prison cell block a few times hundred times like in an episode of "Oz," just to see how he likes what he's been dishing out! AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...nice one Billy...the boy is back, ladies and gentleman. High time you start dishing it out again...of course, you could have been all along in the valleys of Gomora (Smack Forum-I don't troll down there too much since I know you're covering that neighborhood)Is it a sin to pray that God do something creatively bad in biblical proportions to Mr. Rosenhaus? If I throw down the creativity gauntlett and God responds, will his picture end up on www.rotten.com ? I chaplain can dream can't he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 AAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...nice one Billy...the boy is back, ladies and gentleman. High time you start dishing it out again...of course, you could have been all along in the valleys of Gomora (Smack Forum-I don't troll down there too much since I know you're covering that neighborhood) Batten down the hatches. I'm only warming up. Not even close to regular season form, and don't worry about the Smack Forum. That's MY beat. Speaking of beatings, where's my boy "Shooteryourloadonme?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 I took the article as that if the Bengals dont anti up next year then he might have too. sounds like Chad just doesnt wont to do it this year because the Bengals dont have the cap room. As soon as the Bengals have the cap space is when he will threaten holdout. However our front office isnt going to let it get that far. In short I think what we have here is a gentlemans agreement that when they have everyone locked up CJ gets his cash. Just good business so dont freak CJ making less this year for the team. He is his own man and Rosenhaus isnt going to control him as he does his other clients. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 so what. we worry bout it then. What ditty said. 2005 is here. 2006 is a worry for another day. It could be the Bengals will renogotiate again before we get to that point. They did the last deal with him a year earlier than they had to, they may do it early again. That is for next calander year. This calander year has the Bengals in camp in two weeks. Thank god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well chad does deserve more money If I'm not mistaken TJ is making in the range he does no? Chad is top 5 so should be payed top 5 I just wish he would wait till 2007 Because to pay him top 5 we'd have to cut a few people o_O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who? Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 We will see what happens.. Your owner is insane, so who knows, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Well, we knew it was coming, thank you Rosenwhore... BENGALS INSIDERJohnson happy with contract — for nowBy Chick LudwigDayton Daily NewsCINCINNATI | On the field, wide receiver Chad Johnson is a route-running, pass-catching, yardage-eating, touchdown-scoring machine, playing every down with unbridled enthusiasm.Off the field, in front of microphones, TV cameras and notebook pads, he's like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.Which brings us to the mixed signals he's sending about his contract.Johnson, who became a client of high-profile agent Drew Rosenhaus in the offseason, tells the Bengals media that everything is cool with the $10 million signing bonus he received as part of a $25 million extension he signed in 2003 that will keep him in Cincinnati through 2009.Then he turns around and tells Jeff Rickard of Sporting News Radio he can envision a situation that would cause him to hold out in the future."Where you're outperforming what you're making or your worth is more than what you're making. I think that's the right time to go back and ask for more. Because when you don't perform to your organization's standards, what they do is either make you take a pay cut or they cut you," Johnson said."So it has to be able to go both ways. When you're outperforming what you're making, why not be able to go out and ask for more when they can let you go when you're not performing to their standards?"Johnson will be in training camp when players report on July 28. But all bets are off for 2006.Know this: Rosenhaus doesn't get paid his three percent commission from Johnson until a new contract gets done. It's doubtful that Drew and Chad can wait until 2010 for that to happen. Well, we knew it was coming, thank you Rosenwhore... If what comes around goes around, why ain't he dead yet? I'd like to at least see his ass passed around a prison cell block a few times hundred times like in an episode of "Oz," just to see how he likes what he's been dishing out! Good job RosenAssClown. Yeah, because i remember reading that article a while back where Rosenhaus planted some type of mind altering chip into CJs brain while he was sleeping, which caused CJ to voluntarily change agents over to Rosenhaus, and then begin obeying Drews every command.Be real guys, CJ wants money just as much as the next guy. He deserves it, and he will get it. Simple as that. Couple things to be grateful for, hes not holding out this year, and at least his agent isnt the Postons. Remember though, hes not making close to what most players on his level are making right now. There are many players worse then him that are making more then him. You guys make it seem like football isnt his job. Hes looking to get set to live comfortably for life. Im pretty sure that if any of you saw a guy doing less work then you consistently and getting paid more at your same job, you would ask for a raise as well.BTW, im not hating on any of the posters on here about this, BB your my boy, but CJ deserves his money, and to think that hes only holding out because of his agent is foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 BTW, im not hating on any of the posters on here about this, BB your my boy, but CJ deserves his money, and to think that hes only holding out because of his agent is foolish. It isn't foolish when he's parroting, virtually word-for-word, Rosenhoser's arguments.If Chad keeps cranking it up, will he soon deserve to be paid like an elite WR? Yup. And I've little doubt the Bengals will be willing to work out a long-term deal that makes him an even more very rich man.The trouble with the "when you outperform you should get paid more" argument is that when players underperform, well, I've yet to see them pay anything back. How much did Warren Sapp deserve to be paid, based on his performance, versus how much he really made, last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 When they underperform they get cut. Or take pay cuts, like Nate Webster did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 When they underperform they get cut. Or take pay cuts, like Nate Webster did. Wartren Sapp is still a Raider. Neither Champ Bailey nor Clinton Portis lived up to their lofty paychecks last year, but they're still where they were.Beyond that, players might get cut, but they don't have to give back that "advance on salary" known erroneously as a signing bonus. If you're going to make the argument Chad/Rosenhooker are making, then you also have to argue that the guy who gets a 5 year deal wth a $10 million signing bonus, and then gets cut after 2 years because he sucks, should have to repay $6 million to the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 There will be no Chad Johnson hold out. If Chad keeps getting better and playing well, Mike Brown will reward him without the need for a holdout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Off Chads current skills he deserves more money if he improves he will deserve even more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who? Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 The man does deserve more money, right you are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 I'm happy that hes willing to play for us this year for what he is though new deal for chad,new contracts for big willie,Levi,eric & smith UGggggghhhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Who? Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Lol yeah, that does suck when you have to consider everyone elses contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Chad wants a ring. He knows he can get a ring in Cincinnati and do something that has never been done before. Playing in the Super Bowl is the ONLY way he is ever going to be considered in the same class as his idol, Jerry Rice. He won't hold out in the year we need to renew our line because he isn't stupid. He knows if the Bengals don't take care of them, he won't get the stats because Palmer can't get him the ball if he is flat on his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R-U-D-I Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Lewis won't take crap from any player. Even CJ can be replaced and will be if he develops Rosenhaus' ego and tries to get overpayed. I love him and want him on my team, but I'm not mortaging the team for a receiver.... And I don't think ML will either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschooler Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 When CJ improves on his YAC and doesn`t dropso many balls...then I`d say he is "outperforming" his current contract and deserves more money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Just another athlete not honoring his contract; what else is new? Oh well. Same ol' same ol' in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Just another athlete not honoring his contract; what else is new? Oh well. Same ol' same ol' in the NFL. theres glitches in the salary cap no doubt...from a players standpoint if u overperform, u have to hold out or something to get a better deal, and from an ownership standpoint if a player underperforms they either cut the player or make them restructure etc. all i know is its better than baseball's situation where u can pretty much do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Just another athlete not honoring his contract; what else is new? Oh well. Same ol' same ol' in the NFL.theres glitches in the salary cap no doubt...from a players standpoint if u overperform, u have to hold out or something to get a better deal, and from an ownership standpoint if a player underperforms they either cut the player or make them restructure etc. all i know is its better than baseball's situation where u can pretty much do anything. Overall from a league stand-point? Yes. However, MLB has the best structure for players in all the sports combined. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jditty47 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Just another athlete not honoring his contract; what else is new? Oh well. Same ol' same ol' in the NFL.theres glitches in the salary cap no doubt...from a players standpoint if u overperform, u have to hold out or something to get a better deal, and from an ownership standpoint if a player underperforms they either cut the player or make them restructure etc. all i know is its better than baseball's situation where u can pretty much do anything. Overall from a league stand-point? Yes. However, MLB has the best structure for players in all the sports combined. for players yes...CUZ THERE IS NO STRUCTURE. well there is by the amount of years etc...but if a team wants someone all they have to do is pay....in the nfl its different, u have to have the balance etc to pay them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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